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which one would you recomend to them to study??
Mandeigh Wells
11-10-2001, 08:18
I chose other because taijiquan was not on the list. I would advise this as an ideal martial art for smaller folk...I am talking about the full curriculum though....not the airy fairy dance stuff. Slow form/fast form, tuishou, san shou and weapons...it is a complete system, unfortunately good instructors are bit like rocking horse droppings
:rolleyes:
DatuSadiq
11-10-2001, 12:16
Whatever Art best fits the needs of the individual.
Darrell Sarjeant
I would suggest Krav Maga
cmon now ppl. u know that ninjutsu is the best. grappling,tons of weaps. u name its got it.
ok now it's getting intresting lets see how many people vote and which 1 gets the most votes!!!!!!!
Bad Karma
11-12-2001, 20:27
JKD
Peace
KenpoKev
11-13-2001, 16:43
Sarjeant said it best, the art must fit the student.
I've gotten this type of question from the following potential students:
76 year old WWII vet wanting to stay active.
11 year old autistic child.
17 year old athletic young lad...6'4" tall.
15 year old athletic young lady, recently assaulted and wanting pure self-defense.
43 year old mom with an perminantly injured back.
38 year old fire-hydrant of a guy who works in law enforcement.
As you can guess, one style could not address all the needs of this cross-section.
Originally posted by kaad77
cmon now ppl. u know that ninjutsu is the best. grappling,tons of weaps. u name its got it.
Ninjitsu is the art of stealing in, it's used by thieves and assassins, not fighters, it's probably the last martial art I would recommend to anyone, especially since there are undoubtably many fake schools out there
I would always recommend the Martial Art I am taking, because I wouldn't take it if I wouldn't recomend it to others (unless it's Muay Thai or some other brutal art like that), I always say don't look at the art, but at the teacher, the art is irrelevant if the teacher sucks, so try around until you get a good teacher which is what I did, in some situations I would recomend a different martial art if I knew the teacher was good for that as well and it suited my friends interests more, ie, I take wrestling and karate, and if someone was looking at just a grappling art, but was 90 pounds, I would recomend Aikido, but where I am now, I would Recomend Wrestling and Karate to anyone, because where I take it Wrestling is Free, and Karate is very cheap (you're only paying for renting the gym, the instructors have their own jobs) and the teacher is very good, and verifyable with the SKA.
Jay Bell
11-17-2001, 20:49
Originally posted by migo
Ninjitsu is the art of stealing in, it's used by thieves and assassins, not fighters, it's probably the last martial art I would recommend to anyone,
You watch too many movies there, big guy.
especially since there are undoubtably many fake schools out there
But that's true enough.
Style is irrelevant, it depends on the student to be, their goals aims and ambitions.
Look at everything in the students area, meet the instructors, and if their style is described as the best and only true style DO NOT DO IT. The instructors mind is a closed mind and teaching will be limited.
If nothing else go to a boxing coach, at least they are usually open to new ideas and not restricted by such a thing as style.
Good luck in finding the right way for you.
Originally posted by Jay Bell
You watch too many movies there, big guy.
I don't watch many ninja movies, the only ones that I can remember watching are beverly hills ninja and 3 nijas, and the stuff they were using looked a lot like karate to me
I do however watch a lot of Jackie Chan movies, I have to say he's one of the best Martial Arts stars out there.
After Edit:
Ninjutsu literally means the art of stealing in btw.
Jay Bell
11-18-2001, 15:14
There's a reason for that. In Ninja movies, they are doing Karate...which isn't Ninjutsu.
Krzysztof
11-18-2001, 19:24
The two considerations are the goals of the student, and the quality of the available teachers. Even the "best "art will be of no use if it is neither appropriate to the needs of the student, nor taught well by a substantial instructor. This ties into the danger of unscrupulous teachers who claim to teach what the media has decided to profile as the most exciting effective art available. Many people have heard somewhere that Goon Doo or Chunk Tro or Babylonian Ferret style are the most amazing thing since Samuel Colt's original firearm designs, and will flock to Harry's House of Pain after he puts out a shingle advertising that he too can teach these things. (After all, he did buy the tapes). In doing so, they will be oblivious to the various local teachers who have been quietly instructing out of their local community center for many years. Some people are simply not ready for good arts. A number of arts require a certain degree of responsibility and maturity. If the student really wants to believe that the stunts of Zena, Dark Angel, Highlander and Buffy are their best tool for empowerment, then they are not going to be able to hear the knowledge of the more grounded instructors who insist on the repetition of "boring" techniques, or who counsel that confrontations with sharp objects are really bad ideas to be avoided at all costs. For lack of a better way of saying it, many people train to avoid reality. Unfortunately, the "best" arts, IMHO, are often all about recognising the difference between the swordwork of George Lucas films and the need to be a substantial, balanced individual. The value of such arts is lost on those who aren't looking seriously.
As a few have already said, it depends on the goals of the individual for training. There are different focuses for different arts, and you need to pick one that fits your focus and goals. If you want to be an Olympic gold medal winner, you need to go with Boxing, wrestling, fencing, judo or Tae kwon do since those are Olympic sports.
If your goal is street survival and self-defense, you go with a style that emphasizes that. If you are wanting self-betterment and spirituality side, that's a different type of art or school. If you just want exercise and fitness benefits, different styles offer this more than others. Then your body type, age, limitations all come into play too.
Yours in Training,
Alain Burrese
www.burrese.com
Pankration
12-27-2001, 18:11
Sambo is the best and most "Reality Based" martial art!
Jay Bell
12-27-2001, 19:14
So if that's the case, my question is why did Oleg Taktarov begin studying Systema after many years as a Sambo champion?
newtobjj
12-30-2001, 13:52
Shidokan, covers it all! I still do judo once a week and was going to do BJJ, but changed my mind once I realized I had all the full contact fight training I could handle in Shidokan Karate. It's called the triathlon of martial arts for good reason-it is! Kyokushin karate,Thai boxing and Grappling with submission.
It's pretty cool stuff!
fightgrrl
12-30-2001, 16:02
I am biased toward Tai Chi
-NOT
the new-agey-yuppie-hippy-dippy-oh-look!-i-am-doing-this-trendy-thing-that-is-supposed-to-be-good-for-me-so-i-feel-so-much-better-than-all-of-my-friends-who-don't-do-it
but the "brutiful" stuff- see Mandeigh's reply
physically demanding, devestating self defense applications,cool weapons, slow or fast forms, healing aspects,
Kenpo Kev- having taught Tai Chi to children, adults and seniors- I would have to say that all of your potential students could get what they need from Tai Chi practice(although really tall people just look wierd doing it). The whole problem is finding a good teacher.
Sioux
PS I could kick Buffy's butt w/my pinkie!
Any of the Arts are suitable for anybody, but they should be studied and not just learned for a few weeks. Some are more suitable for those in certain age brackets.
But I would liked to know also, which specific Arts are more suitable for the less agile and older beginning student- other than Tai Chi.
My personal preference however is Free Style Karate, but that is the style I have the most learning in and it works well for me...
feline:D
DatuSadiq
01-11-2002, 11:47
Feline,
There are many people who are older who study Karate, Kung Fu, and other Arts.
For a much older person, besides Tai Chi, I would consider any of the internal arts such as: Ba Gua, Hsing-I, etc. I think these Arts help older people in a great way.
The question was which I would reccommend for MY friends.
For my friends I reccommend 9mm at close range at touching range knives.
I know this is not the type of answere that many would say but I consider the use of firearms to be a very Martial way. Knives are used and taught in many arts also.
No, I have not named a spicific art, but rather given a general answere. Most of my frieds are adults of some what resonable intelect and capable of useing both with restraint.
Other than that I agree it depends on why the person wishes to study
Shadow
warriorwoman
02-21-2002, 00:54
While it may be misleading to say I would recommend "ninjutsu", my vote went to that category. It would be more correct to say I would recommend a particular martial system that is placed in that category - Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu. Of the various students on KenpoKev's list, I would recommend it to all but the 11 year old autistic child. It has been my experience that it appeals to a more mature mindset because of the subtleties of body mechanics and energy. Children seem to take to the grosser body movement present in other martial arts.
My reason for recommending it is that it includes so many aspects of martial arts that you can always find your niche. Unlike other arts that emphasize only striking or grappling or weapons, Budo Taijutsu contains all of it, including use of subtle energy. Did I mention that it's excellent for smaller framed people like women as well because it teaches you to fight smarter - not harder.
One caveat, however, if you do plan train in it, please be prepared for all the "experts" to come out of the woodwork to tell you that it's only for "thieves and assassins", that "it looks like nothing more than karate", etc., etc.
To clarify something that Migo mistakenly asserted: the word "ninjutsu" actually means something like "body skills of perseverence". The word "nin" in Japanese means perseverence and not stealth. Unfortunately, there are lots of people who know nothing about this martial art, yet are a wealth of information!
janet dtantirojanarat
www.warriorwoman.org
Sankheng
03-01-2002, 10:10
Muay Thai, no other fighting art even comes close. :D
Sankheng
03-01-2002, 10:16
just a sec, whats Kujutsu?
ok if anyone reads this cos i haven sent a message to tis site in ages..........kujutsu is a pretty new art derived from kenjutsu (mainly) iado and kendo(in some aspects) with a few diffrences thrown in
Kimpatsu
04-04-2002, 16:50
Wow! This martial art "Other" is way ahead of all the other selections in the poll. It must be great! Where do I sign up? :D
Seriously, though, I'd recommend Shorinji Kempo. What else is there?
Sankheng
04-07-2002, 06:53
It depends on the person. Do you need to be dedicated and self sacrificial to be a martial artist, or can it be seen as another hobby? In my opinion, to being a good martial artist involves a lot of dedication and the proper attitude to suceed. The world would be much more uncomplicated place if the best of eveything could be pinned down straight away :D
C.Mulliss
Zujitsuka
04-15-2002, 13:34
Assuming that my friend is strictly interested in self-defense, I would recommend Western Boxing.
The fundamentals can be learned rather quickly, plus a person will get used to dealing with an uncooperative opponent that is also trying to hit them.
Once they get a decent grasp on fundamentals and cotinue to drill those skills regularly, then move on to a grappling art like JuJitsu, Judo, or Aikido - IMHO.
I'd probably recomend aikido. Granted I'm biased but . . . . It's good for different types, we get the big guys who are really into the attacking stuff, little people who want an equalizer, kids . . . it seems to work for most of them.
I wouldn't recomend it for someone looking for instant skills though, takes a while for the super powers to develop :D
with respect
reva
aikido_kami_kaze
06-05-2002, 04:22
I'll recomend Aikido to my friends because it different than otherwise,i also hope that my country goverment side and local NGO will cooperate for Aikido development.
LEFTHOOK
06-06-2002, 18:15
I am asked all the time by people which martial art I would suggest for them. I then asked them why they want to learn the art. Are they looking for self defence, fitness, a sport, more discipline, or a spiritual experience. The martial art must fit the person. Then each martial art is of course effected by the instructor that you choose. When a student comes to my class the student will find that I will focus on fitness, sport, and self defence. If they stick with it long enough they will gain discipline and become a better person, but these will be side effects of the long hard work done in the other three.
So I always suggest to people to do research into an art and to go see the instructor teach a class to see if his focus is on what you wish to focus on.
SlayerBill
06-06-2002, 18:48
Southern Praying Mantis
It's a traditional MA that has a lot of the "for keeps" elements that people look for in some of the newer arts or combinations.
Seems like a complete Martial Art. If they want competition and medals it wouldn't be for them but that would be my suggestion
I was gonna vote on ninjutsu, but because the people that i mostly see claiming ninjitsu with the *i* are fake. just like jujitsu.
that's my opinion :cool:
LEFTHOOK
06-16-2002, 16:00
RobNyc can you explain why people who spell this differently are fake I would appreciate it because I do not practice either one.
Well... I got into the Japanese stuff in May. Well Not that i practice it, but i read about it etc.
And at that point and before I use to know it by jutsu not jitsu. i once saw that Jiujitsu was meant for the Brazilian art of jitsu, Jujitsu was for the american jitsu, and Jujutsu was the japanese jutsu. Just like Ninjutsu it was more or less real than fake because most people that call it ninjutsu are sometimes real. as for ninjitsu Ashida Kim, Ronald Duncan are saying ninjitsu so that's 1 thing to know that the real ones call it ninjutsu, and the fake ones call it ninjitsu. that's why. maybe I'm wrong, but now people started saying it doens't matter how u spell it ninjitsu or ninjutsu. well i stick with how the japanese people spell it Ninjutsu, jujutsu.
Dennis_Mahon
06-16-2002, 21:50
RobNyc can you explain why people who spell this differently are fake I would appreciate it because I do not practice either one.
As far as I have been able to learn, it has to do with the meaning of -jutsu versus -jitsu.
nin- = "endurence"
-jutsu= "the way of"
-jitsu= "to have knowledge of" or "know of"
So, the translation of ninjitsu would be " to know endurence" or " to have knowledge of endurence"; whereas the translation of ninjutsu would be "the way of endurence".
Note, that is just what I've been able to gather from my research using the Net; I can't claim any real knowledge of Japanese.
wEll, thanks then
I'll have to look more into that.
Again the japanese say it Ninjutsu, Jujutsu, not ninjitsu or jiujitsu or jujitsu. I just like doing it the way they do.:cool:
LanceWildcat1
06-18-2002, 16:50
what martial art/s would u recomend to a friend??
Shaolin Kempo would probably be my first choice. However, I'd talk to them and find out what they were looking to get out of the study of MA's first. What I'd recommend would largely depend on how they answered that particular question.:hippie: :)
James R. Bullock
06-22-2002, 14:31
It would depend on what reasons they where getting into martial arts training....self defense....fitness....artistic expression...stress releiver....etc.
James
Originally posted by Mandeigh
I chose other because taijiquan was not on the list. I would advise this as an ideal martial art for smaller folk...I am talking about the full curriculum though....not the airy fairy dance stuff. Slow form/fast form, tuishou, san shou and weapons...it is a complete system, unfortunately good instructors are bit like rocking horse droppings
:rolleyes:
Only if time is not an issue in terms of study. Tai Chi for self defense takes years to learn. You can't get a self defense technique from it in weeks.
What is kujutsu? Would someone please modify this poll? I'm sure that it should actually say Jujutsu, but unless you're paying attention, it will be overlooked. This would explain the low percentage number in the polls in regards to recommending it for self defense.:cry:
Mandeigh Wells
07-28-2002, 03:40
Only if time is not an issue in terms of study. Tai Chi for self defense takes years to learn. You can't get a self defense technique from it in weeks but from the moment you start you are closer to your goals opr at least on the right road. We may live in an instant, throw away society but that does not mean we have to rush learning things.....taiji shouldn't be about just gaining another tick in the box......well i have leaned that...whats next? You are right it does take years to learn and that is a good thing.....there is not enough committment to study, (of anything) everyone wants to fast track and get there quicker...why? much self defence is more practical than that...why learn a martial art when much self defence is common sense and improvisation. Reacting to an uncontrolled situation....like the principals of taiji you take your cues from your opponent.
Mandeigh
Originally posted by Mandeigh
but from the moment you start you are closer to your goals opr at least on the right road. We may live in an instant, throw away society but that does not mean we have to rush learning things.....taiji shouldn't be about just gaining another tick in the box......well i have leaned that...whats next? You are right it does take years to learn and that is a good thing.....there is not enough committment to study, (of anything) everyone wants to fast track and get there quicker...why? much self defence is more practical than that...why learn a martial art when much self defence is common sense and improvisation. Reacting to an uncontrolled situation....like the principals of taiji you take your cues from your opponent.
Mandeigh
But there are people who would need to learn self defense quickly. There are a couple of Sifu here in NY that teach self defense classes for those who wish to study Tai Chi for more than the health benefits, but also want something they can use in the interim. C. K. Chu in Manhattan is one of them. Once you learn the short form, you can begin training San Shou.
Mandeigh Wells
07-29-2002, 05:16
But there are people who would need to learn self defense quickly so a two hour self defence seminar would do the job......
Mandeigh
I study judo, but voted for karate if I was to recommend an art to my friends (kind of hypothetical, since most of my friends are artists). I say karate simply because it has some variance, which would allow my friends to find what suits them best, and stem off into a more specialized art. Just my opinion, of course.
I voted other for two reasons -- the obvious is that I practice / teach Chinese MA, mostly Tai Chi, none of which made this pitifully limited list.
The other reason is that my recommendation would be totally based on the needs and desires of the individual at hand. The last person who asked for a referral turned out to be a grappling aficionado -- making my own preferences irrelevant. The issue was what was available in his area, not what I personally thought about various arts.
Most people, though, want to know what they should take to accomplish certain goals -- goals which take into account their physical stature, fitness, aggressiveness, and personality. I have a niece who is rather gymnastic and a competitive cheerleader, so I recommended wushu -- something I would never take myself and not normally recommend. For her younger brother, I recommended tae kwon do. And so on.
Everyone knows that there is no one martial art that is better than the rest. All martial art have something to offer.In my opinion it's up to the person wich art is better for him/her.
Originally posted by Victor
Everyone knows that there is no one martial art that is better than the rest. All martial art have something to offer.In my opinion it's up to the person wich art is better for him/her.
I both agree and disagree. Everyone certainly has to make their own decision. What makes it tricky is that, like some many other avenues in life, not everyone knows enough about the subject (and often themselves as well) to make the right decision.
Geordie Boy
08-15-2002, 04:22
The filipino martials cover every range and are highly effective.
Shoto Tiger
08-15-2002, 07:07
I would recommend Aikido. Mostly because of the fluidity of movement. Doesn't 'appear' to be as taxing on the ole joints and I like the fact they appear to use your own strength against you. Done a couple of sessions and would like to do it properly one day - but want to finish Shotokan first.
I would have to consider who the person was, and ask what they expected from their training, then I could recommend a art suitable for them.
warriorwoman
08-15-2002, 18:00
Shoto Tiger -
Your statement ".....but I want to finish Shotokan first", perplexed me. Is it possible to learn all there is in Shotokan karate? Forgive me if I sound naive, but the thought that there is a finite amount of information or growth or whatever you want to call it connotes a type of "been there, done that, next..". Am I wrong?
janet dtantirojanarat
www.warriorwoman.org
Lawrence
08-15-2002, 18:12
Hi there,
I would recommend Aikido... - but want to finish Shotokan first.
perplexed me. Is it possible to learn all there is in Shotokan karate? Forgive me if I sound naive, but the thought that there is a finite amount of information or growth or whatever
I kind of see what he is saying, but that does not meen I agree.
I am also interested in your definition of what 'finish' is. :)
But my advice from personal experience is to just get yourself out there and do both. If they happen to correspond with your current class, great. If they clash, attend alternatly to both classes. Explain politly and rationally about your interest to each of the instructors and continue to be a good, honest and respectful student and their will be no grudges held.
RE: Recomended Martial Art
I must say that their would be a small questionaire regarding what their interest is in the persuit of a Martial Art, consider what or who they are and consider what the instructors of varitious forms local to them do and are like as people.
Sorry, bit of a cop out answer ;)
Anyway,
Smile :)
Lawrence.
I think she means after she attains Shodan in Shotokan. I could be wrong but that seems to be what she meant. From personal experience, there will be a clash in terms of focus. I studied shotokan and kempo for a while. Now I'm studying jujutsu, movement and execution of moves (ie: blocking and kicking) aren't the same.
We didn't do taisabaki in shotokan or kempo. We didn't practice breakfalls etc. In terms of blocking, once you've gotten used to blocking one way, learning to block another way is not easy. I'm finding that I have to "unlearn what I have learned". Fortunately, I didn't study either of the other styles for long. They weren't right for me. I've found what I was looking for in jujutsu.
:wave:
warriorwoman
08-18-2002, 11:49
Qasim -
I think you're right - on both accounts. I too assumed that Shoto Tiger also was referring to Shodan rank. And I also agree that there are many problems inherent in switching martial arts because of the differences in taisabaki as well as other things.
My point is that we often view Shodan rank as an end point, rather than a beginning point in our training. Most people will tell you that after Shodan, the training changes dramatically, so why stop there? If one feels that there are aspects of martial arts they are interested in that their martial art does not address or that is lacking, then why put off training in it? Yes, it can be very difficult to switch gears from one martial art to another, which is why I wouldn't recommend training in both simultaneously, since I believe the training in both would suffer. So why not just drop the original one in order to begin training in the second, if you feel it's more "right" for you?
janet dtantirojanarat
www.warriorwoman.org
Janet,
I don't think one should drop the first unless it turns out it wasn't right for you. In my case jujutsu better suited me because I could see myself practicing it until I am taken from this life. I didn't see that with Shotokan or Kempo. Of the two, Kempo was a better fit than Shotokan. The fluidity of movement was better (circular and angular, hard and soft) as opposed to angular and hard.
I will keep some of the things I learned from both in my knowlege bank as a resource, but Jujutsu covers it all for me. So, in my case, in terms of PRACTICE, I've dropped them in favor of Jujutsu, and I will continue to STUDY and PRACTICE Jujutsu from now until.....
Right now I'm a beginner studying Fuji Ryu jujutsu. Later (after Shodan) I plan to study Sosuishitsu Ryu jujutsu. Our head instructor studies and teaches both and MY senseis, are students of it at this time. This is a life time thing, and I want to pass it on to my daughter and any other children that my wife and I are blessed with.
:wave:
Lawrence
08-18-2002, 17:13
Hi there,
you speek of jujutsu, but may I ask which ryu?
or is it an eclectic type of goshin?
Sorry, take care
Lawrence.
Shoto Tiger
08-18-2002, 17:37
Hello all,
I am ever so sorry for not responding sooner. I went on holiday for a few days and had no idea I had created such discussion!
I simply meant that I wanted to reach Shodan first - so that I had the basics under my belt before taking on Aikido. I have no idea what it is to be a BB, but I do have friends that are of higher rank that say they never stop learning and consider themselves to still be studants of their respective martial arts. This I have heard now from a 5th and 6th Dan. I would never dream of saying 'I know it all at Shodan'.
I have been fortunate to see one lesson where two BB were training and saw various applications of Heian Shodan I never knew existed. Its kept until you can apply it and understand it and I know the applications I have been taught are just suggestions and not 'this is how you do it'.
I am ever so sorry I gave that impression and just wanted to confirm that I personally would like to have the basics first before starting another similar martial art.
I currently do Shotokan, Self Defence (both to grading level) and Modern Arnis for fun.
Tew's IC JH
08-22-2002, 00:01
i'd have to say Martial science, no contest.
it teaches the student what willwork best for them, not try to force anything down their throat.
basics are key, but adaptability is golden.
There is no one martial art that I would recomend over the other, they all have something to offer. The one that is suited to your needs would be the one you should take.
In my opinion, ninjutsu is what I would have taken if I had a school near where I live, but that's my opinion, it does'nt mean that it's the one right for you.
It is true that the person's goals have a lot to say about what martial art to study. However, the level of ability of the teacher may be the most important thing. A master-level teacher is highly desireable. Unfortunately, a person can be 5th or 6th dan and not really be a very good teacher. This is hard to judge for a beginner, unfortunately. One way to know is, can the teacher answer all of your questions -- without complaint -- and demonstrate the answers convincingly? If so, that is a good start. If they give a lot of BS, or hem and haw, then keep looking.
Ray White
08-29-2002, 17:18
Well, I'm sure geographical considerations will influence your choices. But I would pick a school that offers a broad curriculum. There is nothing wrong with a one size fits all school. But having a couple of arts to chose from will give you the ability to see what works better for you. Also, any school that is good enough to host regional, national or international seminars is excellent too. You can learn alot about what might interest you by exposure to new influences.
-Ray W.
I don't remember who said it first in this post ,but that's the best thing to do.Just because my style of kung fu Black Tiger works for me does'nt mean my friend is going to like it.
It's funny though because my friend just started learning Black Tiger with me and he loves it.:D
He has a hard time because he's never taken any martial arts in his life ,and Black Tiger is very difficult.What keeps him going is the samething that really keeps me going.
What's that you may ask?
" My Sifu "
At 56yrs old he is just amazing.He is the fastest strongest person i've ever seen in my life.Mind you he's about 5'6" tall and 130lbs soak and wet with weights on.:D I'm 6'1" about 280lbs ex football nose tackle so i've seen people with power and none " I repeat None are stronger than him "
Plus he teaches in a traditional manner.No fancy school he teaches us in a back area of his warehouse business.He does'nt advertise if it was'nt for my Sihing in Cali one of his first students in the U.S writing that article in Kung Fu Qigong Magazine.I would never have met my Sifu.And even then i had to endure an 3hr interview and three months of learning a proper Ma Bo(horse stance) where i had to hold it for 1hr before he accepted me as a student.
My friend is going through that now.:laugh:
It's very tough but it's well worth it.
No Pain no Gain :nono:
jeff:)
TenchuDude
10-17-2002, 13:11
I'd have to agree there. I'd take that person to several different dojos and see what works for them. But on the other hand you have to take into account what they want to do. I am 6'5 and about 290-300 pounds. Most people laughed at me when I said I wanted to do kung fu. But I had my heart set on it and now I'm Lohan Bi Fut-ing it with the best of em. LoL
George,
You are crazy man.lol:laugh:
I like that one.Ha Ha Ha hahahah
I'm Lohan Bi Fut-ing it with the best of em.
You're a riot
jeff:)
TenchuDude
10-17-2002, 14:40
Well thank you Jeff. I enjoy my fist sets and I think everyone should enjoy their MA as much as me.
notoriousBLT
10-18-2002, 12:22
for my friend anthony who is fast, agile,flexible, and smart, I would suggest ninjitsu. For my friend ray who is a little slow, not flexible, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
TenchuDude
10-18-2002, 12:30
Do not be fooled by body type. Anybody can do anything if they have the motivation and drive to do it my friend.
H@pkid0ist
10-18-2002, 12:32
Thats a good idea Notorious, recomending an art based upon their physical characteristics and abilities. Hapkido is supposed to be good for anyone, but if you are say average height around 5'9" to 5'11" and Like 105 pounds wet then I would sugest TKD. There you could really utilize and concentrate on your best assets. Your legs. Ecen in HKD you need some forearm , wrist, and hand strngth.
Rikamarudude
10-20-2002, 04:41
Not trying to start an argument but what is this 105lbs soaking wet stuff? I'm 5'8 (given) and I'm 175lb and will toss a tornado kick at the drop of a dime. I'm with my bud Tenchu when he says anyone can do any form especially if it's what they want to do. You can be 5'0 and 90lbs and do sumo if you want (you will just want to be looking into bulking up) same for the guy (tenchudude) who's 6'4 300lb and wants to do Kung fu I recommend what they are interested in. Whatever MA they watched, or heard about that got them interested in the first place is the one they should do, but not with out letting them preview a few others to see if something else tickles their interest.:bow:
Lawrence
10-20-2002, 07:51
Hi,
It is true, that the form which interests someone is always good for their personaly interest and development. But there is always the other side.
Someone who wishes to do judo, for instance, may be really interested in the techniques used, development gained and the idea of competing, but their personality may not suit the practice. This in turn could mean that they loose interest in all Martial Arts, and they may never attempt another.
If they are 6"4 and weigh 80Lbs, they will not be a winner in judo. Sorry, but so far as modern competition is concerned, they will be pulled appart in seconds. Traditionally ,this would be very different, but things have changed, gainned a more western outlook so to speak. So their interest in Martial Arts may end there. Whereby, had they considered kendo, they would probably have gainned the same mental development, but would have been more successful in their form, so gainned a lasting interest.
Surely the purpose of introduceing someone to a Martial Art must take into consideration their personality and then their physical form to develop a lasting interest in budo.
Just another consideration for you not to argue with ;)
Take care,
Lawrence.
TenchuDude
10-23-2002, 12:05
I hear ya, but I don't think someone who is 6'4 and 80 pounds could handle much if any physical activity. LoL.
I know what you mean but determination and dedication can provide serious results. I just read an article in my co-workers magazine about a guy with one leg who broke his high school's rughing record with a prosthetic leg. That is determination at its best.
Lawrence
10-23-2002, 16:44
Hi there,
May I ask what a
rughing record is!! :D
Yes, completely. Never evr underestimate the power of determination. But lets be honest about this...
...most people are lazy little quitters.
Anyway, I must say that I do agree, just don't have all that much faith in the words of people; much prefer the actions :)
Take care,
Lawrence.
SevenStar
11-04-2002, 23:30
I'm surprised that this hasn't been said yet - I would reccomend shuai chiao. The training format of shuai chiao allows you to become very effective in a short amount of time, and regardless of size can be used by anyone. the training methods like the pulley and the rock pole will give you the strength you need to perfomr the techniques, when combined with forms and stance training, and there is also striking. If you want to compete, you can enter shuai chiao competitions. If you want self defense, you can learn that in shuai chiao rapidly. if you are small, there are throws for that. If you are larger, there are throws for that. shuai chiao is where it's at. There's a saying "one year of shuai chiao is equal to three years in other fist arts"
Rikamarudude
11-08-2002, 12:28
Uh oh sounds like a "mine is better than yours" statment. No offense but saying that a year in shaui chiao is equivilent to three years in "any other fist art" is quiet a claim. I mean the develpment of the body in three yrs Vs. one year I don't buy it personally. Maybe technique wise if all your training is based around technique, but to include all those aspects, throws/strikes/self defense/etc., and that rate of proficiency, no way. Besides I'm in a "kicking art" what do you have on me. I don't mean to offend but I'm skeptical of such a claim.
*side note* who came up with this "saying"?:up:
Lawrence
11-08-2002, 19:12
Hi there,
Personally I don't think we need to go down either of these roads.
Its not big and its not good. :(
Really, think about the individual. It is the person that makes the art, not the art that makes the person...
... think about it :)
Take care,
Lawrence.
Originally posted by SevenStar
There's a saying "one year of shuai chiao is equal to three years in other fist arts"
Just so you know: Shuai Chiao is not the end all and be all of combat.
I've studied it. It's a good art. It is, however, not going to put all the other arts out there out of business.
In the first year of SC I could see someone improving a lot. More than a year of a striking art though? HARDLY.
Please, stop being so full of yourself and get off the soapbox.
SevenStar
11-10-2002, 17:55
Originally posted by Jhran
Just so you know: Shuai Chiao is not the end all and be all of combat.
I've studied it. It's a good art. It is, however, not going to put all the other arts out there out of business.
In the first year of SC I could see someone improving a lot. More than a year of a striking art though? HARDLY.
Please, stop being so full of yourself and get off the soapbox.
Just so you know - I know how good it is. Just so you know, I'm not on a soapbox - I'm not the one who said that, only quoted it from somewhere. Just so you know, there is no be all end all. Just so you know, it's a VERY good thing that it won't put other styles out of business
1. it would make everyone's fighting too similar
2. once again people would begin to neglect groundwork
3. it would lead to commercialization and McDojo-izing.
Just so you know, right from the beginning, you are training full contact and not pulling anything, not spending undue amount of time on forms, etc. so you develop skill faster - yes faster than a striking art. and, just so you know, shuai chiao has striking.
Just so you know, that's why grappling was dominating in NHB in the early 90's people thought they didn't have to worry about grappling and got shell shocked by bjj and judo. the nature of the training encourages faster development, as does the nature of sport arts, which we already discussed in another thread.
Just so you know, I'm not full of myself, only stating my oppinion on the topic. Just so you know, I am allowed to do that.
SevenStar
11-10-2002, 18:00
Originally posted by Rikamarudude
Uh oh sounds like a "mine is better than yours" statment. No offense but saying that a year in shaui chiao is equivilent to three years in "any other fist art" is quiet a claim. I mean the develpment of the body in three yrs Vs. one year I don't buy it personally. Maybe technique wise if all your training is based around technique, but to include all those aspects, throws/strikes/self defense/etc., and that rate of proficiency, no way. Besides I'm in a "kicking art" what do you have on me. I don't mean to offend but I'm skeptical of such a claim.
*side note* who came up with this "saying"?:up:
nah, not a mine is better than your thing, as it's not mine yet. I train in it, but my primary styles are muay thai, judo and bjj. I did longfist for 4 year also - shuai chiao I've trained for the least amount of time of the other arts I currently train in.
I don't understand the second statement, but if you are wondering the advantages of throws over kicks, I could list several... I too love to kick though, so I could also list several advantages of kicking.
as for the three year to one year thing, it applies to training format. In a fight, I would pick a guy with 8 months of boxing over a guy with 1 - 2 years of most styles of kung fu and karate. It's because of the format. you start to train, you lear forms, you do one steps, you do two steps, you do self defense drills, etc. then you begin to spar. The process is much shorter in grappling styles and in styles like boxing and thai boxing. consequently, while the karate, kung fu, etc. stylist is doing forms and self defense drills, these guys are sparring and working timing, distancing, etc. against resisting opponents, not opponents who are letting them perform their techniques.
many kung fu styles, by design, take a slower approach to training. I think that's a good thing. BUT, in a fight over the short term, I pick the person training to become effective sooner.
SevenStar
11-10-2002, 18:08
Originally posted by notoriousBLT
for my friend anthony who is fast, agile,flexible, and smart, I would suggest ninjitsu. For my friend ray who is a little slow, not flexible, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
if you are not flexible, you will have a hard time doing bjj. you don't have to be plastic man, but you are at a big disadvantage if you are not flexible.
SevenStar
11-10-2002, 18:10
Originally posted by Lawrence
Hi there,
Personally I don't think we need to go down either of these roads.
Its not big and its not good. :(
Really, think about the individual. It is the person that makes the art, not the art that makes the person...
... think about it :)
Take care,
Lawrence.
agreed. but the thread is asking what we would reccomend, so we are all saying what we'd reccomend.
H@pkid0ist
11-10-2002, 18:20
I would recomend the art that has got your fancy the most. What system is always in your head. What system hav you always wanted to try. Give it a shot for about 10 or so weeks and see if its for you. If not then move on to something else, and remember that 10 weeks are not wasted time, if you learned something. To Quote Bruce Lee." Every system has something to offer, but no system has all the answers." If one system did then it would either be the only one left or without a doupt the most prominent.
So study what ever has tickled your fancy for the longest or the most. And no matter what, enjoy your training.
I'd say they do something different from me so I can cross train with them.
Just so you know, right from the beginning, you are training full contact and not pulling anything,Your school must got through a lot of new students. I've yet to see any school that successfully goes 'full contact' from the beginning (or, for that matter, at all). If your school does, I'd like to visit sometime, where is your school located? If I'm ever in the area I'll drop by, I'd like to see it.
not spending undue amount of time on forms, etc. so you develop skill faster - yes faster than a striking art.
Again, this has nothing to do with the art, and everything to do with the training methods. If I drop joe schmoe in your school for six months, he'll improve a lot more than he'd improve in 6 months in a mcdojo, certainly. But if I drop joe schmoe in the kickboxing school from hell, where he spends 30 minutes a day in the ring striking and getting struck, I seriously doubt he's going to come out of that six months with any less of an improvement than your SC version.
For the record, it's been my experience that you won't really see a noticable improvement in your conceptual understandings of combat until the second year anyway, that's when my movement and techniques actually just barely started to 'solidify'.
and, just so you know, shuai chiao has striking.
indeed it does. I like some of the ways it strikes. And?
Just so you know, that's why grappling was dominating in NHB in the early 90's people thought they didn't have to worry about grappling and got shell shocked by bjj and judo.
Just once I'd like to see somebody go an entire post on how their art is better WITHOUT mentioning NHB and how its either perfect or useless for judging arts.
the nature of the training encourages faster development, as does the nature of sport arts, which we already discussed in another thread. I agree that it does in some cases, but again I argue that this has more to do with the training methods (and, therefore, the teacher) than it does which art you choose.
Just so you know, I'm not full of myself, only stating my oppinion on the topic. Just so you know, I am allowed to do that.
touchy. Whats the matter? Not used to people telling you that your art isn't the end-all-and-be-all of combat?
SevenStar
11-11-2002, 23:50
Originally posted by Jhran
Your school must got through a lot of new students. I've yet to see any school that successfully goes 'full contact' from the beginning (or, for that matter, at all). If your school does, I'd like to visit sometime, where is your school located? If I'm ever in the area I'll drop by, I'd like to see it.
That's not uncommon from what I've seen of grappling, which is what this post is referring to. It's one of Royce gracie's TA's if you'd ever like to drop by, feel free to PM me. Of course, most striking schools won't throw you into the fire like that. In muay thai, we would spend a few months drilling before we could spar, but even that is sooner than the time frame we had in shotokan and longfist.
Again, this has nothing to do with the art, and everything to do with the training methods. If I drop joe schmoe in your school for six months, he'll improve a lot more than he'd improve in 6 months in a mcdojo, certainly. But if I drop joe schmoe in the kickboxing school from hell, where he spends 30 minutes a day in the ring striking and getting struck, I seriously doubt he's going to come out of that six months with any less of an improvement than your SC version.
That's exactly my point. Like I said all through the thread, the format is different. I also mentioned that muay thai falls into that format. many karate and cma schools do not.
For the record, it's been my experience that you won't really see a noticable improvement in your conceptual understandings of combat until the second year anyway, that's when my movement and techniques actually just barely started to 'solidify'.
I will agree with that to an extent. I don't think it takes two years to really begin to understand the concepts of distancing and timing, and a good grasp of those will definitely help your game.
Just once I'd like to see somebody go an entire post on how their art is better WITHOUT mentioning NHB and how its either perfect or useless for judging arts.
Why? It's a suitable example in this case. Do you not agree that people underestimated grapplers until nhb came into the picture? Do you not agree that since more people have began working on their ground game? Also, I'm not stating that my art is better - only what I would reccomend and why.
I agree that it does in some cases, but again I argue that this has more to do with the training methods (and, therefore, the teacher) than it does which art you choose.
Like I said before, it's the formatof the training.
touchy. Whats the matter? Not used to people telling you that your art isn't the end-all-and-be-all of combat?
Actually, no. I like good discussions, so this is right up my alley. However, I never said it was the be all end all, so why put words in my mouth? In a nutshell, I only said that it's a good, solid art that will allow a person to develop fighting skill rapidly. This as I'm sure will admit, cannot be said of all martial arts. This is due to the format of the training, as we both already agreed upon.
Sorry it's taken me so long to reply. busy week.
Side note: full contact must mean something different to you than it does me.
If it doesn't include strikes, locks, holds, pins, elbows, knees, and headbutting, I don't really consider it to be full contact. I'd consider anything less to be heavy contact, but not full contact.
Full to me indicates you are going as hard as you can in any possible method available to you.
Now, on to the issue, to quote your first post
There's a saying "one year of shuai chiao is equal to three years in other fist arts"
THEN you say
the format is different. I also mentioned that muay thai falls into that format. many karate and cma schools do not.
I'm having a hard time figuring out why you believe that all SC schools have the same format as well as all Karate schools.
In short, you're claiming as a defense that you mean the format is different, then making generalizations about the art based on the format.
the format of training varies from school to school, even within the same martial art.
If you haven't realized this yet, you haven't visited enough schools or thought long enough about human nature.
In fact, the format is ALWAYS (in every school/club/training session I've been to, anyway) based on the choice of the teacher/leader of the group, and NOT directly on the martial art. Influenced heavily by the martial art? Sometimes. Sometimes not.
Simply put, in another medium what you are saying is equivalent to saying "Pottery looks better than painting" and then, when asked why, responding with "well, I don't really like Cubism, and a lot of famous painters choose to paint cubism, so Pottery is better."
You're using the choice of certain teachers to claim supremacy of an art.
Which, in my opinion, is wrong, and shows ignorance that needs to be corrected. THAT is why I called you on this issue.
As to the other things you mentioned: distancing and timing can definetly be IMPROVED in the first two years, but not by, in my experience, a noticably useful amount until the first year is mostly over.
As to NHB: Perhaps you didn't read me properly. It annoys me just as much when someone defends their arts lack of good showing in the ring by saying "well, my instructor would just pop their eyeballs out and make a nice, tasty pate with them".
It is my opinion that, unless your art intentionally chooses to focus on sportfighting in some respect, you should keep quiet about it (ergo the reason I don't argue heavily in one direction or the other). BJJ and MT people obviously should be proud for the good showing they've had in NHB, but I can't stand when they proceed to bash other arts which avoid the arenas and claim that those arts are less effective just because they haven't put somebody in the top 5 slots in the UFC, or whatever your latest and greatest favorite fighting championship is.
On the other hand, those traditionalists who scoff at the incredible amount of effort and training that NHB fighters put into their styles and the incredible athletic prowess AND fighting ability that these guys have really annoy me too. They are athletes who are tough as nails and deserve the respect of the community, not derision just because they are out there doing something that many people aren't brave enough to do.
Then again, the NHB crowd doesn't help it's case by constantly attacking and deriding those arts which choose not to compete at the same level they do.
So there is my rant on that.
SevenStar
11-23-2002, 21:21
Originally posted by Jhran
Sorry it's taken me so long to reply. busy week.
Side note: full contact must mean something different to you than it does me.
If it doesn't include strikes, locks, holds, pins, elbows, knees, and headbutting, I don't really consider it to be full contact. I'd consider anything less to be heavy contact, but not full contact.
Full to me indicates you are going as hard as you can in any possible method available to you.
full contact is all out contact. regardless of what you are throwing. By rules, full contact means hard contact to certain areas of the body. That is the reason muay thai is considered full contact and so is boxing. it's not the tolls you use, but how hard and where - the where is dictated by the sport. That being said, however, when I fight full contact, I do everything you mentioned except headbutting.
Now, on to the issue, to quote your first post
There's a saying "one year of shuai chiao is equal to three years in other fist arts"
THEN you say
the format is different. I also mentioned that muay thai falls into that format. many karate and cma schools do not.
I'm having a hard time figuring out why you believe that all SC schools have the same format as well as all Karate schools.
In short, you're claiming as a defense that you mean the format is different, then making generalizations about the art based on the format.
if you notice, I said many, not all. Naturally, the 'many' is based the experiences I've had and that others have shared with me. That doesn't invalidate my statement, since I didn't say ALL.
[i] the format of training varies from school to school, even within the same martial art.
If you haven't realized this yet, you haven't visited enough schools or thought long enough about human nature.
In fact, the format is ALWAYS (in every school/club/training session I've been to, anyway) based on the choice of the teacher/leader of the group, and NOT directly on the martial art. Influenced heavily by the martial art? Sometimes. Sometimes not.
Actually I have realized that. but go to several mma schools, then go to several "traditional" schools. you'll see what I mean. There are definitely TMA that train very intensely - I never disputed that. But on average, I feel it's safe to assume that the avg. mma school has harder training, simply because they are training for intense competition.
You're using the choice of certain teachers to claim supremacy of an art.
Which, in my opinion, is wrong, and shows ignorance that needs to be corrected. THAT is why I called you on this issue.
You called based on what you read out of context. I posted a quote. I have no qualms though, as I love a good debate and can go on forever about it, so let's continue to have fun.
As to NHB: Perhaps you didn't read me properly. It annoys me just as much when someone defends their arts lack of good showing in the ring by saying "well, my instructor would just pop their eyeballs out and make a nice, tasty pate with them".
It is my opinion that, unless your art intentionally chooses to focus on sportfighting in some respect, you should keep quiet about it (ergo the reason I don't argue heavily in one direction or the other). BJJ and MT people obviously should be proud for the good showing they've had in NHB, but I can't stand when they proceed to bash other arts which avoid the arenas and claim that those arts are less effective just because they haven't put somebody in the top 5 slots in the UFC, or whatever your latest and greatest favorite fighting championship is.
On the other hand, those traditionalists who scoff at the incredible amount of effort and training that NHB fighters put into their styles and the incredible athletic prowess AND fighting ability that these guys have really annoy me too. They are athletes who are tough as nails and deserve the respect of the community, not derision just because they are out there doing something that many people aren't brave enough to do.
You may not remember, but I was in TMA before I was into mma. consequently, I wouldn't claim one's superiority over the other as I respect both.
Then again, the NHB crowd doesn't help it's case by constantly attacking and deriding those arts which choose not to compete at the same level they do.
So there is my rant on that.
Blame that on TMA - they were the ones saying that they could do X to defend bjj. then when some tried, they failed. MMA has called them on it and they have yet to prove it. The general public saw the early UFCs and drew a conclusion that TMAs don't work. I consider that VERY inaccurate, but to each their own.
Jeannette
02-11-2003, 23:10
I wouldn't 'spoon feed' a friend or anyone asking me for a recommendation. If their heart is good and they ask me, I would welcome them to train with me. They can figure it out for themselves.
I feel that people that are interested in training, should train in different arts (schools) until they absolutely have no doubt in their mind.
Training is an individual and personal wave to ride.
kung-Fu/Tai-Chi
02-17-2003, 13:52
Id recomend Kung-Fu and Tai chi (not just because of my online name here.
But because after looking at every club I was interested in I was fortunate to find a fantastic kung-fu school that also teaches tai-chi.
Well it might be stating the obvious but I'd tell them to do whatever I do, because whatever I do is what I think is best.
Well, first I would ask WHY they want to take up a martial art. Is it for self-defense, fitness, sport, a hobby?
Once I found out what their aims are I would probably be able to recommend something. To tell the truth I would most likely recommend Judo because it can encompass most of these elements and it's what I do so I'm bound to be biased aren't I!
What would be good would be more martial arts seminars like the International Seminar of Budo Culture held at the International Budo University in Chiba in Japan. Of course, that presents only Japanese martial arts but to have lectures and demonstrations by the top exponents would be great. To be able to try classes given by top Sensei such as Judo's Kashiwazaki Katsuhiko (Kodokan 7th Dan), Kendo's Sato Nariaki (Hanshi 8th Dan) as well as Karatedo's Maeda Toshiaki (7th Dan) and Aikido's Osawa Hayato (7th Dan) would really allow people to get a feel for the arts and make an informed choice.
So, in order to allow people to make their own minds up the martial arts community needs to come together for our mutual benefit. If we could organise martial arts seminars regularly then all arts would see increased interest and a rise in memberships.
Just a thought!
Richard.
Lawrence
02-27-2003, 13:21
Hi there,
what you are suggesting is very much what I do.
Well, at the moment teacher training is taking a lot of my time, but befor then, at easter, and after, this is what I do. I train around, in different arts and when I meet someone who I feel to be a good representative of an art for one reason or another, I will ask if they would teach on a course. The intention is to run an open door martial arts course somewhere in the UK where a few different styles will be represented by a representative I feel is of quality.
These courses are intended as introductions to... then the final couple of hours are for the more experienced and developed artists. This way all get something from the day.
So far they have been very successful, not for my doors but thats another story! The atendees have said on several occassions how useful and informative they have found them, concequently the have joined a local dojo or one of the ones represented on the day. Many of these have been people with very limited knowldge who have come along with a friend who has been interested in the idea of taking up a Martial Art.
Both have usually joined a club after the event.
Take care,
Lawrence.
Doni Pulley
04-11-2003, 12:48
You have got to be kidding me.
There are no ultimate martial arts.
Some arts suit some people and some arts suit others.
We all have our favorites because they suit our individual tastes.
I would never recommend an art only on the basis of the art.
The individual must be considered.
I would recommend not taking an art from a school just because its a close drive to your house. A good art ( all arts have their strengths and weaknesses) will be very well rounded, with wristlocks, throws, pressure points, inside the body strikes (for example a kung fu blend)--inner strength is very powerful--, kicks(best for finishing move--best left on the ground), strikes(hands are the best weapons). A good example of a well rounded art is Shorinji Kempo, which is very well rounded. This is a hard to find art. Especially a good teacher in it.
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notoriousBLT
04-11-2003, 20:01
also, I would want my friend to maybe do what art I do so we can learn together. I think we would both get so much more out of our training.
This art is simple and direct. Centerline theory. Only 3 effective forms. 2 weapons, 1 Wooden Dummy technique. And the famous one-inch punch. Bruce Lee got his foundation in this art and he went only half way. Imagine how much more powerful he could have gotten if he completed the system.
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I would choose wing chun kung fu. I have a black belt in tae kwon do and after only 2 wing chun classes, im convinced!
Besides - butterfly swords look cool :D
Forbiddenryu
10-05-2004, 10:59
I suggest Okinawan Goju-Ryu.
I would say kickboxing or muay tai.
I do kickboxing myself and have tried muay tai. I think they are both street rules type of martial arts which are bordering military tech.
If you wanna do a martial art just for the art try judo, nunjitsu and all those others.
But for the individual try kickboxing or muay tai.
They come in useful in life, simple and no fancy jumps.
Just Bam Slam, Thankyou Mam (hypothetically speaking)
:D
But there is only one school in the world that Im aware of in Pensacola Florida.
(www.toaskungfu.com)
Other than that, probably JKD or something of that sort.
What MA would I recommend? ... Depends what they need it for, depends on their physical attributes, what kind of activities they enjoy.
If you like kicking, then, don't do wing chun. If you like using your hands, then, don't do TKD. It just depends on the person - MA's have been around for a while and they all have their merits.
47martialMan
11-18-2004, 10:03
It is interesting to see such polls.
No poll can be truely accurate as it depends on the opinion of each individual
Thus is the reason why there are many systems (I dislike style) of martial arts.
dear john
11-18-2004, 10:55
hey man whats up, i wonder how many peeps came to this forum from the other?
i choose Dan Zan Ryu :D
And at that point and before I use to know it by jutsu not jitsu. i once saw that Jiujitsu was meant for the Brazilian art of jitsu, Jujitsu was for the american jitsu, and Jujutsu was the japanese jutsu. Just like Ninjutsu it was more or less real than fake because most people that call it ninjutsu are sometimes real. as for ninjitsu Ashida Kim, Ronald Duncan are saying ninjitsu so that's 1 thing to know that the real ones call it ninjutsu, and the fake ones call it ninjitsu. :eek: :confused: ... how many times did you use jutsu jitsi and whatever the 3 thing was :eek:
i am soooo saying goodnight now ... 1 am and schoolday... maybe thats why i got confused ...
David Craik
11-30-2004, 18:26
Wow, what an ancient thread.
ZenZero_0
01-04-2005, 17:48
I think the overall training of karate is a wonderful base for an individual to learn what system would be best for them. Not all bodies are created equal and some people are simply suited to certain styles. There is no perfect system, just the perfect system for you.
What the heck i'll throw in my two cents and leave it at that.
I think that the big thing here is to spend some time doing some research to find what is going to fit you the best. As far as what we would recommend, that might be an irrelevant question as we would almost certainly be looking to get different things out of the experience than our friends would.
I think that the best thing we can do as people who have already gone though this search process is to be a resource and sounding board to our friends whom are looking to find their nitche in order to help them seperate the wheat from the chaff and maybe narrow their search a bit. Then, they can go through the visitation/trial process to make their final decisions.
It took me a long time of looking before I made the decision to commit to an art and a school because I wanted to make sure it was right for me. I imagine it is the same for just about everyone in that respect...
Good topic though...
jakmak52
01-12-2005, 20:32
Ninpo expounding: Ninjutsu began more than 800 years ago among the ninja people living in Japan. The warrior class, which ruled Japan at the time, were called the Samurai. They controlled the land and it's people.
Their lord, the Shogun, was the only person the Samurai was answerable to.
The ordinary peasant served the warriors every whim. A peasant could never strike a Samurai. If he did, it would mean his life. The Ninja would not serve the Samurai, and fled to the barren, cold, mountainous regions of Iga and Koga. There they trained in the arts of war. It is said that their art is based upon a great Chinese military text written by a general named Sun Tzu, The Art of War.
Over the centuries the ninja (word meaning 'stealers-in') trained from the cradle to the grave in every known martial art. Their forte was espionage and assassination, by any means possible. But their training also taught them to reach spiritual heights, by pushing their bodies and minds to limits far beyond that of normal human endurance. Training for a ninja began almost as soon as he could walk. Childhood games were designed to inculcate expertise in unarmed combat, sword work, weaponry, camouflage, escape and evasion. In time, the ninja warriors came to be feared throughout Japan. Even the mighty Samurai looked over his shoulder if a ninja was known to be in the area.
Over the centuries, while ninjutsu was being practiced in secrecy, no one knew anything about the art except the ninja themselves. When Japan emerged into the modern era, and feudalism collapsed, the ninja were absorbed into Japan's secret service and special services groups. The martial arts boom of the 1970's saw several men searching for something different. Among these Doron Navon, Bo Munthe and Stephen Hayes found a ninjutsu headmaster living in Japan who came from an unbroken line of masters dating back almost 800 years. The art was then brought to the western World. When speaking of Ninja, the image of a black clad assassin disappearing in a cloud of smoke is what comes to mind. This distortion has nothing to do with the reality of studying Ninjutsu, or "Ninpo" in its highest order. Ninpo is a traditional Japanese Bujutsu with a rich and viable history that stretches back over ten centuries. Developed as a highly illegal counterculture to the ruling samurai warrior class, Ninpo still flourishes today under the direct guidance of Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi, 34th grandmaster of the Togakure Ryu and Grandmaster Shoto Tanemura of the Genbukan. Ninpo is a more global title for the nine Ryu (families) related. Po is Japanese for 'principle way'.
Humble78
02-06-2005, 14:53
I would only recomend TKD to a friend because that is what I study and enjoy. I would not force them since he may not be interested in that style for various reasons. It is definately up to the person( as has been stated before).
Dwayne H. Raper
AllanJGAnderson
02-08-2005, 18:26
Hap Ki Do, 'nuff said
David Craik
02-08-2005, 18:49
Hmm, if ninja did not serve the samurai, then whom did they serve? Merchants?
I would sigest Poekoelan Tjimindie.Not just because I am learning it.but you realy dont need strength.Now I know that alout of arts say that and Ive come to find out it is not completly true.though strength would be a good idea not alot is needed.
Mikey Triangles
03-25-2005, 23:12
Ninpo expounding: Ninjutsu began more than 800 years ago among the ninja people living in Japan. The warrior class, which ruled Japan at the time, were called the Samurai. They controlled the land and it's people.
Their lord, the Shogun, was the only person the Samurai was answerable to.
The ordinary peasant served the warriors every whim. A peasant could never strike a Samurai. If he did, it would mean his life. The Ninja would not serve the Samurai, and fled to the barren, cold, mountainous regions of Iga and Koga. There they trained in the arts of war. It is said that their art is based upon a great Chinese military text written by a general named Sun Tzu, The Art of War.
Over the centuries the ninja (word meaning 'stealers-in') trained from the cradle to the grave in every known martial art. Their forte was espionage and assassination, by any means possible. But their training also taught them to reach spiritual heights, by pushing their bodies and minds to limits far beyond that of normal human endurance. Training for a ninja began almost as soon as he could walk. Childhood games were designed to inculcate expertise in unarmed combat, sword work, weaponry, camouflage, escape and evasion. In time, the ninja warriors came to be feared throughout Japan. Even the mighty Samurai looked over his shoulder if a ninja was known to be in the area.
Over the centuries, while ninjutsu was being practiced in secrecy, no one knew anything about the art except the ninja themselves. When Japan emerged into the modern era, and feudalism collapsed, the ninja were absorbed into Japan's secret service and special services groups. The martial arts boom of the 1970's saw several men searching for something different. Among these Doron Navon, Bo Munthe and Stephen Hayes found a ninjutsu headmaster living in Japan who came from an unbroken line of masters dating back almost 800 years. The art was then brought to the western World. When speaking of Ninja, the image of a black clad assassin disappearing in a cloud of smoke is what comes to mind. This distortion has nothing to do with the reality of studying Ninjutsu, or "Ninpo" in its highest order. Ninpo is a traditional Japanese Bujutsu with a rich and viable history that stretches back over ten centuries. Developed as a highly illegal counterculture to the ruling samurai warrior class, Ninpo still flourishes today under the direct guidance of Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi, 34th grandmaster of the Togakure Ryu and Grandmaster Shoto Tanemura of the Genbukan. Ninpo is a more global title for the nine Ryu (families) related. Po is Japanese for 'principle way'.
I concur :D
well , I think ninjitsu is a good art for self defence / street survival.... but the training was too hard for me.... after 2 months ... I quit .... :(
Maxwell Lee
ninjandrew
06-01-2005, 01:25
It depends on the individual of course. But if it relied solely on the art. I think ninjutsu would get your a$$ served to you in a street fight. In fact I can almost guarantee it.
Nice story jakmak52. Only one or two teeny details. Samurai also served daimyo, not only the shogun. Also ninjutsu does not mean "stealing-in", it means "endurance art" or "concealing art".
To answer soulends question, ninja were hired by anyone that could afford them. With the probable exception of samurai.
i would recomend taekwondo :D
Jared Sutton
07-23-2005, 17:49
I would recommend Tae Kwon Do for a friend who doesn't really commit to things too much because of the overall commercialism of TKD today. With many teachers that I know of, you can just throw your legs any which of way and get a new belt around your waist because the teacher doesn't want to lose the money.
No offense I hope to the TKD instructors out there but you have to admit, there is a major distortion of what a good dojang should be in thousands of schools in the U.S.
samuraibushi
07-23-2005, 17:50
For the older less mobile person,I would suggest wing chun.for the younger person,hung gar.
Kimpatsu
07-30-2005, 09:08
Recedite, plebes! Gero rem imperialem.
Oi, Jay! I ain't NEVER gettin' outta your way... imperator! :D
If one of my friends was asking me what martial art to take, which won't happen very often since most of them are already in one, I would refer them to a local McDojo, that way they can find their own way. I couldn't refer them to the place where I practice, because it's an hour away, I just got there by chance. As far as a stytle, I would just tell them to go with the most commion style around here which is TKD.
pacifistwithagrudge
09-03-2005, 04:29
kung foo san soo because it's versatile and powerful, and it has a wide spectrum of power, from light take downs to killing someone. it uses kicks and punches with discretion, alongside other moves like takedowns and restraints, instead of using these brute force methods as primary tools. kfss would definitely beat taekwondo, karate, and various others, because kfss takes advantage of *their* body mechanics and *their* attacks (i.e. their attacks are used against them).
StoneBubble
09-03-2005, 18:26
I have to say like others here, to each student his style.
However, I would strongly suggest avoiding McDojos.
EscrimaSid
09-05-2005, 08:12
Escrima Concepts
www.escrimaconcepts.com
renegade
11-20-2005, 15:39
heh, since nobody else has tossed this lame old joke in yet, I will!
Jay Kwon Do! :D
Lame Leopard
11-20-2005, 17:29
I go along with Darrel. A person should do their homework and look into everything readily available and make their choice. A friend might educate with as little bias as possible and gently guide the friend. "Mine is the best and everything else sucks!" is not good advice. :bandit:
Of course I'd recommend my own style because, if they're my friends, I would enjoy to practice with them.
Of course I'd recommend my own style because, if they're my friends, I would enjoy to practice with them.
Unless of course they are better looking than you, then you want them to study a lesser style so that you can kick there butts and steal their girlfriends.
:laugh: :D :laugh: :D :laugh:
Depends on the guy/girl. Strangely, although I do judo, I don't recommend it to friends now.
The warm-up alone with all the calisthenics is too much for some people. I remember one guy couldn't make it through the cartwheels, forward roll into splits, backward rolls into splits etc.
To do judo you've got to be physically tough and be prepared to take a real beating. Being thrown hundreds of times in a single session is too much for many. You also have to be mentally tough because you will feel uncoordinated and clumsy at first. You also need patience (which many lack) because you're going to spend a while learning ukemi and footwork before you get to the "fun stuff".
The last four friends I encouraged to start judo all quit because it was too hard on them. That depressed me because I felt guilty that they had spent quite a lot of money on my recommendation.
Now, I don't recommend judo to anyone. I feel people have to have a really strong desire and drive to do judo. The way I look at it, they should find their own way to the dojo. If they really want to do judo they'll show up. If they need me to encourage them to go they probably don't have the necessary commitment.
Richard
matthew_dundon
12-16-2005, 06:46
I do Hapkido, and i think hapkido is the best martial art you can do, it trains your mind, and body. It is a very scientific martial art and is very effective, it teaches weapons, kicking, punching, counters, and much more. It incoporates many different types of martial arts, Korean in origin it has been around over two thousand years and is still around. I would recommend this Korean Martial Art -Hapkido, to all my friends anytime!
konosan13
04-23-2006, 23:48
I'm not sure why it isn't the first choice, but Ju-jutsu would be my recomendation.
I do Hapkido, and i think hapkido is the best martial art you can do, it trains your mind, and body. It is a very scientific martial art and is very effective, it teaches weapons, kicking, punching, counters, and much more. It incoporates many different types of martial arts, Korean in origin it has been around over two thousand years and is still around. I would recommend this Korean Martial Art -Hapkido, to all my friends anytime!
there are maybe hundreds of different types of arts, and no art is the "best" because with every art comes a downfall.
there are maybe hundreds of different types of arts, and no art is the "best" because with every art comes a downfall.
Maybe so, but don't you think you're a little inexperienced to give that kind of advice.
Instead of becoming a "Jack of all trades, Master of none", concentrate on making one art your core. Then, once you have an integral understanding of the style (something that may takes years, even decades) you can experiment or train in another style.
i know im just pointing out
(something that may takes years, even decades)
Here I should have added "under a qualified teacher" .
yeah the only problem is i have no transportation any where, so i can only do what i can at the time.
Since I practice Karate, this is what I would recommend them
bmawushu
06-04-2006, 20:29
Chen Taiji
I recommend that my friends take anything but TKD; that way we can share ideas. Sparring with fellow TKDists is fun, but I think there is a lot to be gained by sparring with people of varying backgrounds/styles.
MissBethypoosan
06-17-2006, 17:41
I would reccommend either karate or tae kwon do. they cover the basics of fighting, defense, sparring, kata, etc. and allow the person looking for a style to see which aspect they enjoy the most. its a good starting point, if nothing else for some people. a lot of people would rather study something less well-known, whether to make them seem different and interesting, or simply because it is where their interests lie. if someone finds that they like grappling, from studying the few self defense techniques that are often offered in karate/tkd then they may decide to move on to aikido or something else with more contact. it brings us back to the idea that you need to know the student before you can judge what you would reccommend. but, at least as a starting point, i suggest karate/tkd.
:bow:
MissBethypoosan
tiger_rf
06-27-2006, 03:21
i agree. the art needs to fit the students needs as well as the instructor needs to fullfill the students needs. the art i am currently studying and teaching is pretty well rounded in that it is a mixture of karate (easier for the beginner to learn in that it is straight punches, kicks, blocks, etc), shaolin kung fu (more fluid), and jiu jitsu (for the ground stuff). it also has elements of muay thai, aikido, tae kwon do, boxing, you name it is there. BUT go for what your heart tells you when looking for a school, instructor, or style
xxblackkatxx
07-10-2006, 17:59
It depends on their intents and purposes.
If they want to get fit, something like Wushu or TKD- something to keep them moving.
If they want to learn how to fight, BJJ and Muay Thai, paired together.
My buddy wanted to be a cop, and he asked me what he should take, so I suggested both something like Karate or TKD and a grappling art like BJJ or judo.
It depends on what they want... you can't really assign one MA to every person.
Just my two cents, though. :D
-Kat
hyuugakanota
07-10-2006, 22:55
it depends on what their motives, strengths, and weaknesses are.
Musubi Dojo
07-18-2006, 15:14
Grand Celestial Do
Nothing beats Grand Celestial Do!! :bandit:
What thread can you recommend to a friend?
This one must be good…it’s five years old!:chainsaw:
nightshade
08-26-2006, 22:57
as some have already said - it depends on what the student is looking for, but I would personally recommend hapkido due to its well-roundedness - hard, soft, internal, and weapons martial arts techniques.
Adon4Ever
08-27-2006, 00:39
Well, you can probably GUESS which one I voted. I mean, it certainly hasn't done me any harm. But to tell the truth, I agree with some of the others that have replied to this thread. It's not the ART, but rather the practitioner, that determines who will win the match (or fight as the case may be). I mean, there have been 500th degree black belts that have been knocked out by some punk on the street who isn't trained. If you want to see proof for yourselves, look at almost any MMA fighting event (i.e. UFC, Pride, etc.). One guy who practices one type of martial art might beat an opponent that practices a different martial art, but then might later in the tournament get beat by another practitioner of the same martial art as the opponent the guy just beat.
I've studied more than one martial art. And while Muay Thai is my fave (and is the one I've voted for in the actual poll), I can find at least one thing good about EVERY SINGLE ART that I studied. Oh sure, I'd recommend Muay Thai to others thinking about studying a martial art for sure. But that doesn't mean there are others that I would NOT recommend. And also, the type of martial is but one of a ton of factors that one should consider in choosing what, where, and when to study. One should consider the instructor, the reputation, and the credibility of the school, for starters.
Hope all this makes sense!
Josh
i would choose a good martial art with practical non flashy techniques for good well rounded self defence.
so i would suggest krav maga or kapap.
i am actually thinking of Muay thai. in general i would suggest mixed martial arts. currently i am into capoeira and karate. yesterday i was sparring somone using capoeira, and it was going good until i got kicked in the groin and so i decided to go for a little mixed martial art aspect. in doing this i won and long story short he got aggrevated, and it turned into a real fight. so no one art is superior, go for multiple arts use little from each and make it into one:) my little theory
peace
in doing this i won and long story short he got aggrevated, and it turned into a real fight.
You know in all the time I have been hit in the groin, had my arm twisted , put into chokes etc. I have never thought of getting getting upset enough for it to turn into a real scrap, that is cause for getting kicked out of the dojo.
I take it this sparring was outside of a dojo and class.
davidmitchel
10-20-2006, 12:19
for my non-MA friends. My MA friends have already found their passions ...
Dave
capoeirascience
10-20-2006, 12:24
i would say capoeira (of course I would) because in that your individual personality can be expressed within the 'game' of capoeira. It is not strictly a martial art as it encompasses several genres. That's another story but in relevance to this thread, capoeira games are based on the premise of answer and response - a physical converation of sorts. As I like chatting to my friends I would also like playing capoeira with them - interacting in another way.
In the end though, its not for everyone, I have tried other martial arts and liked them for different reasons, so I would reccomend they try out a few styles as well as capoeira...
if they wanted to learn martial arts strictly for self defense and wanted faster results I would recommend something completely different... speaking to someone else!
You know in all the time I have been hit in the groin, had my arm twisted , put into chokes etc. I have never thought of getting getting upset enough for it to turn into a real scrap, that is cause for getting kicked out of the dojo.
I take it this sparring was outside of a dojo and class.
Yes, i always sparr friends outside of a dojo. all of them respect me, but only one has gotten too offended and actually started to actually attemp to hit me, and well he failed:)
Webmaster
10-21-2006, 01:08
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