Noises with movements

[LeVampire1]

Hi all, I studied TaeKwon Do when I was about 9, then I quit for about 15 years. I've recently come back, and my new instructor was kind enough to let me keep my old rank, so I'm trying to catch up on everything. Everything seems to be coming along well, I'm getting back into it very nicely. However, something I think changed in those 15 years that I took off TaeKwon Do.

Basically, what it is is a noise that accompanies a movement. For example, when we kick or punch there is a noice that we make with our mouths as we expel some air. I wouldn't know how to describe it, besides to type it as a "chu" sound...How many other dojangs do this? Is this common with TaeKwon Do now? I don't ever remember doing that in my other dojang 15 years ago.

I'm anxious to read other's responses to this. Thanks for reading. :bow:

[DragonMind]

Breathe control is pretty important, though the precise sound you make is not.

[ilbumy]

Just like what DragonMind said, noises are used to emphasize breathing patterns. If you breathe poorly during a fight you could possibly gas twice as fast as you should. But remember relax, don't force the breathes out, otherwise your waisting energy again.

Just try to fully expell air with every strike you make. A good non Tae Kwon Do example could be Oscar Dela Hoya. If you watch his boxing matches he expells air almost like a huya sound, for almost each punch.

[Black Fox]

from whar i read this past year. the sound expelled generally means little other than something everyone else does.

however, the basis of most martial arts (taoist/shaolin kung-fu, kalli ect...) stems from roots essentially defined at the beginning for mystical traditions and movements.

in these a sound corresponds with modulating various frequencies of the mind. a few examples from my limited knowledge: ho, for a time gets used in sufic traditions for some sort of unity with the creator. ha, in kung-fu often facilitates a sort of expression and cultivation of yang energies. sa, used in some kung-fu seems to bring about a cold reptillian aspect to not only the quality of the movement, but actually affects the practioners personality if carried to far. reptile/limbic?

well, look closely at the plateform aspect of human neuralogy. consider evolution if you can allow beleif in it. notice the effects of alpha/theata/delta rythem CD's you find anywhere. some sounds just kick in certain centers of the brain.

the mystics do not randomly apply the use of these sounds. martial artist do, with mixed results. it can become an important consideration or one that carries negligible consiquences.

getting to funky on sound will however almost certainly hinder the development of your martiail-art.

i would not otherwise worry about it.

[nirgle]

Basically, what it is is a noise that accompanies a movement. For example, when we kick or punch there is a noice that we make with our mouths as we expel some air. I wouldn't know how to describe it, besides to type it as a "chu" sound...How many other dojangs do this? Is this common with TaeKwon Do now?
Yes, though some dojangs enforce it more than others. It is called a "KEE yup" and is done for several reasons: In any attack it psychologically stuns and scares your opponent, making you seem strong and powerful (this is when you're really yelling, as you should be when doing it). It also makes your punches and kicks more powerful; there is a correlation between the strength of your yell and the power in your strikes. You are also supposed to ki-ap when you are hit; this will flex the abdomen muscles, making the attack less painful, and it will also open the airway to let your breath out when you are hit so it doesn't get compressed inside you (painful! and dangerous!).

Also, it's an excellent stress relief outlet. Sometimes you just need to SCREAM!

[Black Fox]

i mean no disrespect Dragonmind. :wink2:

our studies just went different directions. :karate:

[Adam]

At my dojang we breath out on movements as well as during forms. I have found that during my forms I get less tired when I breath than when I hold everything in. I'm sure it's different with each person but I would think it safe to say that by the time you've done six or so forms you would be tired if you didn't breath.

[Eliz]

Some schools I've been in make audible breathing patterns mandatory. The problem is younger students don't get the concept so they sound like these little snakes hissing their way through forms. It can actually be pretty funny.

Proper breathing patterns should be taught - not just to "hiss" when you block, strike or kick.

[J_eremiah]

I have found that when I do shout when I exhale it gets my adrenaline pumping fasI feel more lively and it also ensures I am breathing right. Then again I am no expert, this is just how I feel about it.

[diabolicpastry]

Yes, though some dojangs enforce it more than others. It is called a "KEE yup" and is done for several reasons: In any attack it psychologically stuns and scares your opponent, making you seem strong and powerful (this is when you're really yelling, as you should be when doing it). It also makes your punches and kicks more powerful; there is a correlation between the strength of your yell and the power in your strikes. You are also supposed to ki-ap when you are hit; this will flex the abdomen muscles, making the attack less painful, and it will also open the airway to let your breath out when you are hit so it doesn't get compressed inside you (painful! and dangerous!).

Also, it's an excellent stress relief outlet. Sometimes you just need to SCREAM!

I knew that kiaping was meant to control your breathing but i never knew how important it was. this is really interesting.and my school takes kiaping really seriously.

[DragonMind]

i mean no disrespect Dragonmind. :wink2:

our studies just went different directions. :karate:
None taken. I'm familiar with the use of specific sounds during meditation and other such practices. In traditional Hapkido, there are also very specific breathing techniques that make characteristic sounds. In general though, most MA practitioners are primarily interested in tightening abdominal/chest muscles and expelling the air from their lungs. Teachers have students make specific sounds to a) insure they are doing the breathing and b) remove the embarassment factor for people self concious about making noise.

[LeVampire1]

Thanks everyone for your replies...however, there is something that I should point out. As far as a Kiap, I know what that is. This isn't a kiap, but rather a sound that is made as we're breathing with every move, not just specific moves. Either way, I think I've got my answer now. Thanks everyone!! :)

[nirgle]

Thanks everyone for your replies...however, there is something that I should point out. As far as a Kiap, I know what that is. This isn't a kiap, but rather a sound that is made as we're breathing with every move, not just specific moves. Either way, I think I've got my answer now. Thanks everyone!! :)
One thing I should point out, in the case of making sounds for the purpose of letting air out of your lungs, the point is to let the air out. If you're making a grunting noise, or squeezing air out in any way rather than letting it out freely, it probably won't help much. That's why you never hear the "hyyyy YAAH" that the general public seems to associate with making a martial arts strike; when forming the Y sound you're compressing the air inside your lungs by stopping the air flow and trying to breath at the same time, which isn't a good idea for above stated reasons.

[garrett]

I dont know about everyone else but at my DoJang we would shout out "I"
or "KI-HAP" i dont really know why, but my instructor says it helps create more power, personally i think its just a way to get the little kids breathing properly

[loppy]

Garret my 2 cents here; propper breathing creates more power.

[Spookey]

Dear All,

Several years ago the ITF removed the ki-ahp(s) from the patterns.

General Choi Hong Hi introduced a mandatory practice of exhaling briefly during any technique with a connecting motion (blocks and strikes that are ment to contact the opponent). The intention is along the same lines as the ki-ahp. You will release the carbon dioxide from your body, oxygenate your muscles, and tense your muscular system (especially that of the trunk) to protect the vital organs, etc. It is not a ki-hap, but rather a quick, short, dispurtion of air from the body...(creating a hissing sound as you force out air through an almost closed mouth thus causing the tightening of the trunk or core muscles)

The main reason this is better than the ki-ahp (for the above mentioned purposes) is this. You must breath with every motion so as to not "gas out" as is general practice in boxing, however if you were to utilize a ki-ahp with every motion it would quickly lose its psychological effects on the opponent.

Therefore it is best to train your body to breath so that under stress you will not find yourself holding your breath (a fairly common occurence), while not deminition the psychological impact of a good strong ki-ahp!

TAEKWON!
SPookeY

[LeVampire1]

Dear All,

Several years ago the ITF removed the ki-ahp(s) from the patterns.

General Choi Hong Hi introduced a mandatory practice of exhaling briefly during any technique with a connecting motion (blocks and strikes that are ment to contact the opponent). The intention is along the same lines as the ki-ahp. You will release the carbon dioxide from your body, oxygenate your muscles, and tense your muscular system (especially that of the trunk) to protect the vital organs, etc. It is not a ki-hap, but rather a quick, short, dispurtion of air from the body...(creating a hissing sound as you force out air through an almost closed mouth thus causing the tightening of the trunk or core muscles)

The main reason this is better than the ki-ahp (for the above mentioned purposes) is this. You must breath with every motion so as to not "gas out" as is general practice in boxing, however if you were to utilize a ki-ahp with every motion it would quickly lose its psychological effects on the opponent.

Therefore it is best to train your body to breath so that under stress you will not find yourself holding your breath (a fairly common occurence), while not deminition the psychological impact of a good strong ki-ahp!

TAEKWON!
SPookeY

Thank you, thank you, thank you! That was exactly what I was looking for. :)

[Spookey]

Dear Sir (or Ma'am),

Glad to have been of assistance...please feel free to PM me for my IM and email as I would greatly enjoy greater discussion on this and other relavent topics of discussion!

TAEKWON,
SpooKeY

[hizaguchi]

Yeah, what Spookey said. But also, audible breathing can be just as effective as a kihap for having a psychological effect on an opponent. On strong strikes, I generally exhale forcefully enough that it can be heard. When I'm sparring, I'll often lunge forward and emulate that noise to confuse the opponent, like faking a kick but without using the time and energy to pick up a leg.

[TKDGirl18]

The kihap noise is very useful expecially if you have a stron one to start out with in a sparring match. In my dojang we also use other sounds like "Pacho" and "Kaaai" to help us with our breathing. I found out that if you use your breathing patterns while sparring or forms and then use the kihaps on a finishing move or attack gives you more power since you are expelling more energy causing more of a powerful effect to the kick in my opinion.

[Button Moon]

Ki-Yaping is a really effective for focused breaking.

Or embellishing the performance of poomse.

No boxer, or fighter really ki-yaps during a bout except for involuntarily outbursts of exertion.

Bruce Lee was the only guy that could sound cool Ki-yapping! :wink2: