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ezzthetic
08-18-2005, 16:47
Would anyone else agree with me that Jeremy Horn probably has the best boxing skills in MMA? If he were fighting as pro boxer I bet he would be one of those journeymen gate-keepers. The ones that never get knocked out, and will beat the up and coming fighters if they don't bring their A-game.

James O'Neill
08-18-2005, 16:57
I don't know about his boxing skills but Mr. Horn is one tough fighter and I will not be suprised if he beats Chuck. I saw Horn fight Frank Shamrock years ago & I thought for sure he was going to win - I think he was dominating Frank for most of the fight; both standing and on the ground. ...Until the knee bar that is but hey - what can you do?

Erik
08-18-2005, 17:03
I think Chuck's the top striker around. KOing Randy says a lot.

I think Chuck will try to keep the game standing and Horn will try to bring it to the ground. Horn is a top-level groundfighter. I never heard his striking was especially good (though certainly not bad).

Dennis Monk
08-18-2005, 17:06
With an MMA record of 85-13-5 I think he is one of the better fighters out there. Remember, he did beat Chuck Liddell, albeit with a submission and not with boxing skills. His stand up game is really good and I think it is greatly complemented by his being rather savy on the ground as well. I'm not trying to thread drift away from discussing his boxing skills. I think both his stand up and ground game compliment each other. A stand up artist will have to be very wary of his boxing skills and a grappler would also have to bring one heck of a ground game to beat him there. At 29 he is definitely young enough to have more good years ahead of him and old enough to use his vast experience in the ring (over 100 MMA fights).

ezzthetic
08-19-2005, 15:34
While Chuck Lidell is a great striker with some crazy power, he's not a great all-round boxer. He's got some good offensive skills, and the way he knocked out Randy Couture was quite excellent. He took advantage of the angle created by that wild exchange, pivoted to his right and landed a shot that Randy never saw coming.

A lot of people seem to think knowing how to punch makes you a good boxer. If you haven't got defense you've only got half a game, if that.

The great thing about Jeremy Horn is that he has an extremely cerebral approach to his whole game, one based on defense. Great defense leads to great offense. I loved the way he knocked out Forrest Griffin, just boxing, boxing, boxing. And then BOOM, a roundhouse kick to the neck! Game over.