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renegade
11-04-2005, 20:21
I live near Oshawa, Ontario, Canada and I'm trying to find a muay thai place near me but I'm turning up zilch. Here's the closest I've found so far, but none of them are actually muay thai strictly speaking:

Leo Wong's
-offers "thai kickboxing" but the instructors are actually a 4th and 5th degree BB in TKD. no sparring for at least another year they told me. The club itself is actually a TKD club, been around like 32 years, some olympic background too, but all that is the TKD part though.

Glenroy Browne's Integrated MA

smaller place, glenroy is the sole instructor, been teaching since 1989, he is teaching MMA now. has TKD and JJJ as his 2 main disciplines for his BB backgrounds, some dabbling in JKD and something else. So basically the kicking, punching, and knees/elbows I was looking for from a muay thai place would be the same kind you would see in MMA if I went here, which is ok I guess even though I really had my heart set on muay thai. I'm told you're fortunate to find a place that offers striking and grappling in one spot though so that's a plus. the only thing that got me a little leery is that he said you can start sparring from day 1. He kinda said no when I asked him if his club was more geared towards people who already have MA experience but I get the impression it might be because they spar from day one, the teaching was described as (paraphrasing):

"we let you do some light sparring when you first begin just to see what you can do, and to see what habits you already have and we build on those. There's no kata or drills here, we work with the fighting style and habits you already have, and correct technique if it's obviously being done wrong altogether"

So I'm really going to have to take him up on his offer of a free first class in order to understand how his place works. I have a few yrs of experience in a traditional MA, but glenroy's seems like it'd be more for people who are already boxers/kickboxers/amateur fighters going in.

Adam Gibson's Martial Gym

Another TKD/Karate place, he also teaches kickboxing but again... not muay thai. But he says he knows how to teach muay thai knee/elbow strikes, but won't allow anything except punches and kicks in actual dojo sparring for safety reasons which is understandable. His club is isn't a fighting club it's a dojo, so if I go here, I'll be going to learn the full enchilada that goes with TKD and/or karate, and kickboxing will be a side part of that but not the main. He said his teacher was an undefeated kickboxing champion, but I can't remember on what level, so that impressed me. don't know how long his gym's been established but his own personal experience is around 20 years.

Me? I'm looking to learn muay thai, I'm also looking to learn striking that will be of real, practical, solid real-life use. So it sounds to me like I'm probably looking more for a fighting gym than a martial arts dojo I guess. The choices are hard though so I'm going to pick the week I have off later this month and go sample all 3. But I was hoping someone here might know the area and be able to suggest more clubs around here I should check out. Toronto itself is out of the question, I hate the city, no offense ;)

renegade
11-05-2005, 21:21
followup: apparently Adam's instructor was the well know Ken "Superfoot" Wallace. great credentials, but that stuff is more or less full-contact karate and not what I'm looking for.

So far it looks like I'm going to have to try out Leo Wong's thai boxing class. It's not precisely what I wanted (a full fledged muay thai instructor) but it's looking pretty grim trying to find that in my area so I'll be forced to take what I can get. :(

Andrew Green
11-05-2005, 23:59
followup: apparently Adam's instructor was the well know Ken "Superfoot" Wallace.

Umm... who?

I've heard of a Bill "Superfoot" Wallace... but never Ken ;)

renegade
11-06-2005, 04:09
sry, had my name's mixed up. now about that club...? :p

Musubi Dojo
11-06-2005, 08:23
Sorry Jay, I've haven't seen or heard of any Muay Thai places outside of TO.

Are you studying with Frank Hill now?

Cheers
c

Andrew Green
11-06-2005, 11:45
Got any websites?

"Thai Kickboxing" in a Olympic TKD school might not be what you are looking for...

Any boxing gyms around?

Musubi Dojo
11-06-2005, 12:42
Got any websites?

"Thai Kickboxing" in a Olympic TKD school might not be what you are looking for...

Any boxing gyms around?

There's MotorCity Boxing in the 'Shwa off of Laval St. in a community centre. Seemed like a decent bunch of guys. Some CO's work out there.

renegade
11-06-2005, 19:05
thanks Andrew and Chris, I really have my heart set on MT though, I'll give Leo's Thai Kickboxing program at least the benefit of a look in person and I'll let you know what I saw. I'm planning on paying them a visit around the 21st, they told me prospective members can visit and watch monday classes and I'm off that monday night.

Chris:

nope, I haven't trained at Frank's for a few years now. As far as instructors go, that man is top-notch and a really great guy! But I got turned off because after being there a few years I learned that I want a place where I'm going to be strapping on the gloves and going full contact with sparring partners. In my opinion, the best way to learn to fight someone is to fight someone, and Frank's and another Bujinkan place I checked out are more geared towards the art in martial art. If that's what you're after, then I can't honestly say there's anyone I would reccommend better, he's that good an instructor. But there's zero sparring there, and maybe I'm of little faith, but I just didn't feel like I was really getting actual solid fighting experience going down that road. I still do enjoy foreign martial arts in general though, which is another reason why I'm really not all that interested in western boxing. I know a few boxers that I'd shudder to have to face off against in a real fight, so I'm not putting it down, I just know I won't stick to a program that doesn't hold my interest.

At this point, the thai boxing program at Leo's is the only one of their 3 programs that does NOT have sparring. Yet. They told me it's on the near horizon, I just can't remember what they said they were waiting for. In the meantime, I do have a couple of friends who have regular kickboxing backgrounds that I'd be able to practice with on my own time, so I can work around that.

Musubi Dojo
11-06-2005, 19:59
Sounds like you've figured out what you want Jay.
Best of Luck!
c

renegade
11-06-2005, 20:40
thx Chris :)

ah finally a breakthrough! Jeff Burger suggested Vlad Vasiliev's systema, and I have a personal friend who studied under vlad who also reccommended him. Good news is there's a guy certified by Vlad 5 min from me! Bad news is I at first thought it was vlad himself there as well, but he's in Toronto. Damn Toronto again! I'm beginning to hate that city... :laugh:

But then good news again, my friend still has a lot of contacts in local MA circles so I'll finally be able to get a few word-of-mouth reccommendations instead of relying on crummy yellow page ads and google searches. *crosses fingers*

Musubi Dojo
11-07-2005, 11:16
thx Chris :)

ah finally a breakthrough! Jeff Burger suggested Vlad Vasiliev's systema, and I have a personal friend who studied under vlad who also reccommended him. Good news is there's a guy certified by Vlad 5 min from me! Bad news is I at first thought it was vlad himself there as well, but he's in Toronto. Damn Toronto again! I'm beginning to hate that city... :laugh:

But then good news again, my friend still has a lot of contacts in local MA circles so I'll finally be able to get a few word-of-mouth reccommendations instead of relying on crummy yellow page ads and google searches. *crosses fingers*

There's a fellow named troy White who Teaches "the System" in town and I think there's guy on Bloor St. working out of on of the Banquet Halls. I believe Troy has TKD background as well. Pretty sure Vlad Vasiliev does seminars once in a while. Would worth a trip into the evil city. :)

Let me know how it goes. I find Systema really interesting and wouldn't mind checking it out myself...

Cheers
c

renegade
11-07-2005, 14:57
the Systema guy on Bloor you're talking about is Nick Christopoulos out of the Ukrainian community ctr. I don't think they spar there in the "put on some gloves, pads, and headgear and go full-throttle" sense per se, but do train pretty intense on the grappling side. Unfortunately I'm looking more for the kind of club that after I'm proficient enough will let me "put on some gloves, pads, and headgear and go full-throttle" heh.

There's a place that Gary Goodridge was a pretty big part of in the east end of Toronto called Ultimate Martial Arts (http://www.ultimatemartialarts.ca/index.html) and they focus mainly on MMA and Muay Thai, and even compete. They seem to have many hallmarks of a decent club. There's sparring, the rates are very good ($50/month canadian with full access to everything offered), you can check it out by appointment for free, and some of there members compete in sactioned events. Gary Goodridge has fought UFC, Pride, and K-1 and he helped develop some of the training there. The downside is that I'll have to cave inb and travel to the evil city as you said. It's about 45 minutes from my place. Not all that bad I know, but I cringe at today's gas prices. :fear:

But hey I guess if this is what I really have my heart set on, I better bite the bullet.

renegade
11-21-2005, 13:17
Just got back from watching a Muay Thai class at Ultimate Martial Arts in Toronto. They offered to let me partake, but before it even started I saw that all the members were fairly intermediate and would be using equip that I don't currently possess and doing a cirriculum they're all used to doing. I hate feeling lost, awkward, and in the way so I decided to just watch it, but I really liked what I saw. It looks like it'll be a refreshing change from the no-contact traditional dojos I've experienced before. These guys are really learning how to fight. I'm off work all week so next on my plate will be that Systema place.