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I think this topic would suit best here.
How concerned by ecology and environment are you?
I'm very concerned and I already take measures to respect/protect the environment.
I'm not really into it but I'd be interested to know more.
I don't care about environment and ecology.
It's a waste of time to me.
If anyone wants to answer, you can give just a, b, c or d or give your choice and explain it. Also articles would be welcomed as well as friendly debates or your personnal measures to contribute protecting the environment (maybe it can help others). It's not a topic to "judge others". :)
Here are three quotes that summarize the current situation to me:
"Perhaps our natural gifts elude us because they are so obvious."
Sue Bender (American writer)
"The Earth has an abundance of everything, but our share in it is only what we really need."
Satish Kumar (Jain monk)
"We have a very small number of years left to fail or to succeed in providing a sustainable future to our species."
Jacques-Yves Cousteau (French oceanographer)
a) This my one big leftie cause. I donate regularly to various enviornmental groups as long as they are not too far out there. I use charity navigator to determine which ones I will and won't donate to. I hunt, fish, camp, hike, mountain bike and in general just enjoy the outdoors. I think that we as a collective species need to step up to the plate and fix this mess we have made...
A (well, lower case a) - Im not a tree hugger, I dont protest to protect the "Mexican Stareing Frog of Southern Sri Lanka" (its a south park joke), and I dont recycle - my municipality charges more than I can afford for the "service". However Im a huge advocate of alternative energy, I live as simply as I reasonably can, I buy items made from recycled products, buy in bulk (less waste), and when my wife and I move to the mountains, we will most likely be building a Monolithic dome (which will reduce our heating and cooling needs, as well as requiring little to no wood in its construction) as well as run a "micro farm" where we will grow/raise alot of our own food.
Im big on the outdoors, and do pretty much all the same outdoorsy stuff as Jason mentioned, except fishing, because fish are nasty.
An excellent book on environmentalism from a Buddhist perspective is "Dharma Rain" edited by Stephanie Kaza and Kenneth Kraft.
a) There are heavy restrictions/penalties placed on Blue Fin Tuna. A commercial boat is restricted to 1 and the policing is very heavy. I can't tell you how many times I have heard of captains bringing a 260 lb on board - and throwing over the (now dead) 215 lb blue fin they caught earlier. It angers me to no end. It's not just the Tuna - it's the Marlin too. You get these newbies who don't know anything about tag and release, and you find a perfectly beautiful fish floating dead because "somebody messed up." On slow days, the guys wallow away the hours target shooting all the garbage (cups, cans, bottles) floating around in the ocean. This is my one "soap box" issue in life. Sorry for the rant.
Edit: OK, I'm not done ranting. :) I just wanted to add that the larger fish are not kept for tournament purposes - there is no multi million dollar pot riding on the capture of this larger fish (not that that is a reason either). It is done strictly out of ego.
I'd be personnally more like Joe. I try to do my best to take "only my share" out of the environment but I can't claim to contribute much to the cause though.
I try to use bus or tramways or walk (despite of my knee injury) as much as I can. I try to watch where I throw my garbage. I also avoid to buy products involving too much packaging and fill my car with BP's "Ecology" Diesel.
I think as Mrs Bender said maybe we don't respect enough our environment because we take it as "granted" as we've been born and live in our occidental societies promoting to buy more and more. Eat more than we need etc... Basically taking "more than our share". As I've seen in a magazine "15% of the world's population use 80% of the world's ressources"!
Jason maybe can you list up some of these associations' websites so people interested can take a look at it.
I'm a practical ecologist. I don't litter. I don't recycle now because my current hauler doesn't collect recycleables. Besides their's an overabundance of plastic and newsprint on the market now. I tried to build an earth sheltered home in 1988. I couldn't get financing!!! All the banks said the same thing, noone will want to buy it if you need to sell. :confused: I work with the Boy Scouts and teach Leave No Trace camping and outdoor skills. I participate in litter cleanups and ecological enhancement projects. My home was built with the best insulation available at the time and I use flourescent light bulbs and high efficiency appliances.
Peace
Dennis
I couldn't get financing!!! All the banks said the same thing, noone will want to buy it if you need to sell.
Its a different story now! But even if its not, "new" (actually quote old, just updated) technology can get you a built house, for dirt dirt cheap.
Heres one of my favs, though admittedly its not very good for more than a "bachelor" pad... http://www.calearth.org/EcoDome.htm
Less than $3K for a 800sqft home. Doesnt include running water for that price, but it can even include your furniture.
stella fuentes
11-17-2005, 22:13
(a) I am very concerned. I segregate, re-use and recycle and just try to conserve energy, fuel and the like. I think that it is because we do not have much, so we have to use wisely what we have.
I've also seen the diseased and dying from nearby mining communities that really gets me very angry and frustrated and endangered bird species that are only found hereabouts (I feel lucky I have seen them, and sad they might not be there for others to enjoy in the near future).
We actually need more environmental education and conservation here.
http://www.myfootprint.org/
visit, take the quiz, post your results.
CATEGORY/ACRES
FOOD/4.4
MOBILITY/0.2
SHELTER/4.2
GOODS/SERVICES/3
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 12
IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.
WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.
I guess using half of the national average isnt too bad?
Edit: Creepshow factor.... according to this site, it is more ecologically effective to forego masstransit and self propelled locomotion (bikes, walk, etc) to switch to a fuel effecient vehicle.
Im not sure I buy that, but they reenforce the statement in their "what you can do" sections.
I tested it out, and according to the site, if I quit walking, quit riding my bike, and never took mass transit, but instead drove a 25mpg + car, my footprint would drove from 12acres to 9 acres.
Jeff Burger
11-18-2005, 08:10
I like Joe's lower case "group".
I think the planet is in deep doo doo, yet Im not going too far out of my way to save it.
I like that bumper sticker "save the planet, kill yourself"
Man is a bad animal or like the guy in The Matrix said "man is a virus".
Jeff
Nobodys gonna give the footprintquiz a shot huh?
If everyone lived like me, we would need 2.2 planets.
Hmmmm...I think the public transportation portion killed me. But than again - there is no such thing as public tranportation in this area of Baltimore County!
Oh well, that makes me a glutonous hog!!!
CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES
FOOD 0.9
MOBILITY 0.1
SHELTER 0.9
GOODS/SERVICES 0.8
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 2.7
IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 5.3 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.
WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.
IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.5 PLANETS.
Nice quizz Joe :)
Jeff Burger
11-19-2005, 07:23
Wow I thought Id be good on that test.
Results
CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 4.9
MOBILITY 0.2
SHELTER 11.9
GOODS/SERVICES 8.2
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 25
IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.
WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.
IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 5.7 PLANETS.
IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.
WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.
IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 4.9 PLANETS.
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I drive by myself too much and live in a single family house by myself.... :(
At home I recycle as much as I can, use energy efficient applicances and flourescent bulbs. Among my responsbilities at work are coordinating the stormwater program (only rain in the stormdrain), promote recycling, and choosing appropriate vegetation (native, drought resistent whereever possible) for parks and median strips.
I guesstimated what our answers would be when my wife and I move into the mtns.
We scored a rough 5 acres. I think it would actually be less in reality due to the house design/materials.
Some people I talk to online who live way out in the Alaskan bush scored a 5 as well. I think they scored where they did due to all the meat they eat and the air travel that is a virtual requirment for any travel out of "town".
I've seen people using old food oil to fill their cars' tanks, does anyone know about the consequences on pollution over "regular" oil? Shouldn't be that good... :rolleyes:
PS: not planning to use it.
The consumate ugly American. :)
We brought the boat into to the Bay to be winterized - filled up both tanks (capacity 250 gallons each?). The gas [diesel] bill was over $800.00! YOUCH :eek:
I've seen people using old food oil to fill their cars' tanks, does anyone know about the consequences on pollution over "regular" oil? Shouldn't be that good... :rolleyes:
PS: not planning to use it.
From what I know, the exhaust is cleaner from vegetable oil than it is from regular diesel.
Peace
Dennis
I've seen people using old food oil to fill their cars' tanks, does anyone know about the consequences on pollution over "regular" oil? Shouldn't be that good... :rolleyes:
PS: not planning to use it.
Old cooking oil, mixed with ethanol, and strained of impurities, will run in a diesel engine.
Its basically homemade bio-deisel. The stuff you buy is a little better over all, due to not being made from oil that recently had chicken fried in it, but the cooking oil does really well.
Another great idea that people miss thinking about is the use of old car oil.
It can be reused, with minimal cleaning (a straining is usually all) and reused as heating oil for your house..
Thanks for the information Dennis and Joe.
I have found two interesting websites.
Production and use of biodiesel (http://www.risoe.dk/rispubl/energy_report/ris-r-1430s30_34.pdf) (PDF format so Acrobat Reader needed)
French experience with "veg-oil" (http://pub41.bravenet.com/forum/3470269378/fetch/560272/)
Here as it is stated in the website, the European Union promotes these oils but how "strange" the French government still have them illegal to be used. But well... This is like always a matter of money from oil companies "influencing" political decisions.
Also French government's policy to "reduce pollution" by increasing the cost of having a car so people would let their cars at the garage to use more ecological transportations is also stupid to me. Not the idea but I mean if people want to use their cars/motorbikes they'll use them anyway sometimes using more polluating ways like fuel or anything that can power up the engine.
Using cheap polluating "oils" and taking a ticket for it are almost equally the same.
Also it has very negative effects over the country's economy already suffering.
Plus currently public transportations (bus, train etc...) aren't ready at all to meet current's population needs.
It's totally insane. Using bio-diesel in France would reduce our car oil bill by about 30-40% and we could really use it these days...
CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES
FOOD 1.6
MOBILITY 0.5
SHELTER 1
GOODS/SERVICES 1.2
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 4.3
IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 4.8 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.
WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.
IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 2.4 PLANETS.
Holland is rather big on recycling and the environment. Althought the public attention for it has dwindled during the last decade. I don't own a car (yet) and I try to save on the electricity and heating bills as much as I can.
I am concerned with the environment, therefore my answer to the first post would be: a.
fightgrrl
11-25-2005, 19:37
CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 3.2
MOBILITY 0
SHELTER 7.2
GOODS/SERVICES 4.9
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 15
IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.
WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.
IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 3.4 PLANETS.
Basically, it's environmentally inefficient to live alone in the city. I may walk everywhere, make less waste than most, and try to use locally produced foods(pretty tough in the winter here), but I am still an ecological nightmare.
Obviously it doesn't matter how shitty my apartment is!
Jeff Burger
11-26-2005, 09:11
Yeah I dont know hopw accurate that footprint thing is, but Im thinking / hoping not very.
In comparison to most of the people I know my footprint is pretty small..
Well Jeff, from what I can tell, and Ive asked this question in a few places and got a pretty decent range of responses, its pretty accurate.
In comparison to most of the people I know my footprint is pretty small..
That may be.... youve got the highest footprint so far, but you need to remember, your still just slightly over "average". middle road. nothing fancy. Your in the same boat as most people. There are just as many people out there with 30's and 40's as there are people with 10s and 20s.
Mandeigh Wells
12-12-2005, 16:18
CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES
FOOD 1
MOBILITY 0.3
SHELTER 0.6
GOODS/SERVICES 0.5
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 2.4
IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 5.3 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.
WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.
IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.3 PLANETS
;)
And I work for an environmental charity!
Rasputin
12-12-2005, 16:47
CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 6.2
MOBILITY 0.5
SHELTER 9.4
GOODS/SERVICES 8.9
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 25
IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 5.6 PLANETS.
Good thing they don't ask how much I spend on electricity each month. I would be well into my second solar system if they counted that.
Out of 9 respondents who gave the amount of how many planets we would need, we averaged 8.88 planets required.
We have 1
Anyone have plans to reduce their consumption? Anyone wish they consumed more?
Rasputin
12-12-2005, 20:10
Anyone have plans to reduce their consumption? Anyone wish they consumed more?
Nope. Nope. Unless a 62" 1024i flat screen HD TV uses more energy than my current 61" rear projection screen, in which case I would like to use a little bit more.
I will be replacing my current 305 v8 with a 383 v8 with close to 500 horsepower coming out of its 750 CFM carbeuretor, though. So, yes. Yes, I do wish I consumed more than I do now.
How do you justify something like that?
Rasputin
12-12-2005, 23:20
Wasn't aware that I was required to. Was that in the small print?
Wasn't aware that I was required to. Was that in the small print?
No, it was just a follow up question.
My Jeep has 33x15.5in tires, and a 360 V8 in it.... So its not like Im upset at you or anything. However Id LOVE to trade it for a Haflinger 4x4 with a tiny 646cc engine.
But seriously, I find it kind of curious that your responses in this thread show you have tied for the highest amounts of consumption of all respondants, and your wanting to increase it even more.
Its fair to say that the earth is having some problems for all our consumption, and Im just curious to know how a person can make the choice to take more and more when, there isnt enough to go around as it is.
Feel free to answer or not, based on your defensive reply I think little response is nessesary.
Rasputin
12-13-2005, 00:54
OK, that's fair.
I don't seek to justify it, which is what I was getting at. I don't feel that the car I drive or the electronics I own make me answerable to anyone, anywhere, so I instead focus on the simple pleasure that they provide me as I enjoy them.
Could I justify it? Assumedly, since rhetoric is a hobby of mine. However, I feel that doing so would simply add fuel to those who might seek to make such introspection mandatory (through peer pressure and guilt tactics), and so I do not choose to at this time. This is a general reference, mind you, and not pointing at anyone in specific.
Energy is a commodity. I buy as much as I need to live my life as I so choose, and no more. If Energy grows more scarce, the prices for it will likely rise, and money may become more of a factor in my use of it. More likely, however, is the probability that we will continue to find new sources for energy. The market for it is insatiable, so the push to provide it has great impetus to succeed.
As for Humanity's deleterious effects on the planet: I see them as growing pains and nothing to "Chicken Little" about. The 70' saw our awareness of pollution, air and water quality come to the fore, and since then we have made great strides in cleaning them up. Pesticides were found to cause collateral damage, so genetic engineering stepped up to the bat and crafted special crops which required far less chemicals to keep out the insects. As Oil becomes less freely available, we have developed new technologies for utilizing fossil fuels more efficiently and effectively to get more use out of them.
On the horizon, Global Warming is fixable. We don't yet know how, but nothing I have encountered in my studies of Humanity's inventiveness leads me to believe that it is insurmountable. Stirling engines have created solar energy which is 30% efficient. Fusion power is coming online as a collaboration between many nations, notably Japan and France. Raw Materials exist in the form of asteroids, just waiting for the Space Elevator to be harvestable. Who knows what is up ahead for us? Zero-Point energy?
So, in closing, I don't feel any particular need to justify my personal energy use. I'd much rather go watch a movie in glorious DTS sound in front of my huge TV, kicking back on my La-Z-Boy and dunking peanutbutter double-stuff Oreos in my milk.
so the moral of the story is you dont care what effect your actions have, so long as your having fun... because someone other than you will pick up the mess afterwards... hopefully. At the least they will figure out a way to keep you living the lifestyle your accustomed to, and everyone else be damned?
Or am I missing a key factor here?
Please understand, I am NOT trying to be argumentative... Im trying to understand a viewpoint 180 degrees opposite of my own.
Rasputin
12-13-2005, 09:34
Nope. That would be attempting to justify my viewpoint, which I don't believe requires justification. There is no moral here; there is no need for one. If others seek to find fault with my lifestyle or my beliefs, then more power to them. I am happy that they could derive some sort of pleasure from my existence, even if it is derived from righteous anger. ;)
I remain unconvinced that humanity has dug itself into a hole with no exits. The longer view would suggest otherwise.
Mandeigh Wells
12-14-2005, 07:12
Global Warming is fixable. We don't yet know how actually we do know how to 'fix' global warming, it called less burning of fossil fuels, being energy efficiet, re-usable products, less organo-phosphates, sustainable building, stopping large scale de-forestation, planting trees, being aware of everything we do and making our own contribution by living lightly.
Its not down to governments, its down to the changes that individuals make...like turning off a lightbulb, like driving a more fuel efficient car.
So, in closing, I don't feel any particular need to justify my personal energy use. so if the state of the planets climate is not your responsibility....whoes is it? :bow:
Rasputin
12-14-2005, 09:21
actually we do know how to 'fix' global warming, it called less burning of fossil fuels, being energy efficiet, re-usable products, less organo-phosphates, sustainable building, stopping large scale de-forestation, planting trees, being aware of everything we do and making our own contribution by living lightly.
No offense, but I think you have seen almost all of the self-sacrifice you are going to see out of your average individual living in a western civilization. Being hyper-aware of one's inputs and outputs is exhausting, and frankly attractive to a smallish portion of the population.
Much more effective are economic incentives. They work automatically and have real-world repercussions which can be felt by the individual on a daily basis. As I mentioned earlier, as Gas prices rise, and hybrid cars become both more powerful and more affordable, more people will use them. Not because they feel an overwhelming desire to "save the planet" (although they may tell people that in order to get them off their backs) but because they make more economic sense.
As Electricity prices rise (because it is generated by less-available fossil fuels), the power companies will spend more money on developing their renewable infrastructure: building more solar plants, more nuclear, more wind, etc. In addition, as the prices of solar electric cells continue to fall, plus government incentives, more people will leave the grid altogether. I have myself planned this if I ever get to build my own house, NOT because I feel a driving need to lower my footprint, but because I would love to rid myself of a $280 a month electric bill and possibly start having the electric company pay ME for shoving power back on to the grid. This, too, is becoming more of an option every day.
I recycle, for no other reason than it is convenient to do so. The local BFI has made it reasonably easy to stick my plastics, cans and bottles in a green tub and they make a separate run once a week to pick them up. If I had to take them across town myself as many communities do, I don't think it would happen.
so if the state of the planets climate is not your responsibility....whoes is it?
I have other responsibilities with which to concern myself. The "saving the planet" guilt will eventually do the trick, but not by forcing individuals to voluntarily live an over-examined life, but rather by causing us to become less dependant upon fossil fuels and more upon renewable sources AT the source--the production of said energy.
Offer me a hybrid car with >200 hp for $20,000 new which can go for 300 miles on a fill-up and doesn't require $10,000 worth of batteries to replace every few years, and I would have no problem driving it. It will come.
Sell me a solar kit for my home which will meet all my electricity needs and can be paid off in < 10 years, and I will buy it. It too is coming.
My world is far more likely to be destroyed by a tactical nuke on a unexamined shipping container delivered into the Port of Baton Rouge than it is by my inefficient car.
Mandeigh Wells
12-14-2005, 11:53
no offence taken, but I am not sure I agree, yes economics is always a factor but I guess depending on which part of the world you are in you will also find that there is a great deal of awarness of how as individuals we can make a difference. We don't have to be paranoid about every detail its much more simplistic than that.
I recycle, for no other reason than it is convenient to do so. doesn't matter...you are doing it anyway
I live in Moray, and two years ago the local authority decided to change our rubbish (trash??) collection. Previously recycling was a drive to the dump! We were provided with two wheelie bins and two plastic boxes, one wheelie bin for land fill, one of garden waste, a box for paper and card and a box for glass and cans. Every week the glass and paperboxes are emptied and alternate weeks for landfill and garden waste.....(which can always go in the green cone if you have one for composting). Its easy, you just rinse out a bottle put it in the orange bin......all the junk mail that comes through the door goes into the blue one. Moray is now recycling tons of waste weekly. And it just happened one week, when we got the new schedule, at first folk couldn't remember which week was which, but now its second nature.
Our disadvantage of living rural is that we have limited public transport and a car is a necessity for most people, so while we may not be able to make inroads there we can do something about our waste.
Reduce Reuse Recycle is the philosophy of Waste Aware Moray, part of the Waste Aware Grampian and Waste Aware Scotland campaigns. They are aimed at increasing knowledge and awareness towards waste and recycling, thereby empowering people to contribute towards more sustainable methods of waste disposal and resource use.
Reduce
Waste reduction is at the top of the "Waste Hierarchy". Reducing waste entails making more efficient use of resources in day-to-day life, and therefore cutting down on waste. Methods may include:
Avoidance of products with unnecessary packaging e.g buying loose rather than packaged fruit
Rejection of junk mail and other obvious sources of waste
Repairing goods where possible rather than buying new ones and throwing out the old
Maximising use of objects such as carrier bags; use as few as possible at the supermarket by filling them as much as possible. "Bags for Life" supplied by the Moray Council will enable householders to do this.
Use of goods that minimise disposal e.g. wind up radios, clocks, etc to avoid buying and disposing of batteries
Reuse
Waste can be reduced in the first place in many ways. Reusing waste that does inevitably arise can also divert it from landfill. Methods may include:
Writing on both sides of paper
Reuse old boxes for storage
Take old and already-used carrier bags to the supermarket to avoid using new ones
Donate unwanted furniture, IT equipment and clothes to shops and organisations that can refurbish and restore them for use
Use old yoghurt pots and other containers as receptacles to store pens, pins and other small items in
Use reusable nappies instead of disposable ones. Not only is this cheaper, but it is better for the environment. Disposable nappies take hundreds of years to biodegrade.
Adopt a policy of buying recycled products where possible
Recycle
Finally, if goods are to be disposed, they should be taken to areas where they can be collected and taken for reprocessing. The Moray Council operates 46 Environmental Focal points where clear, green and brown glass, and mixed cans can be deposited. Additionally, there are 8 Recycling Centres where the following materials can be taken:
Cans
Car batteries
Garden waste
Glass
Paper and cardboard
Rubble
Scrap metal
Textiles
Used engine oil
White goods (fridges, freezers, etc)
Wood
You are absolutely right on the dependency of fossil fuels, not only does it 'hold us over a barrel' literally, but there are already alternatives in place. My office is situated in an 'eco-village' project, Some of the older houses are run on oil central heating, but the new ones are all solar pannelled, and there is one wind turbine, with three others currently being constructed, they will supply the whole of the villages electricity. But then the viability of these fuel puts the richest people on the planet's income under threat, and thats the next biggest problem. A couple of years ago, down in England a group of folks were running their cars on vegetable oil......and they got caught, but they were told they could still do it, but they had to pay the equivilant petrol price.....hardly encouraging!
Rasputin
12-15-2005, 07:42
http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/esthag-w/2005/dec/policy/jp_sweden.html
Let's see if Sweden can manage it. Economic incentives rule.
Jared Sutton
01-19-2006, 18:31
Food 5.7
Mobility 0.2
Shelter 4.2
Goods/services 4
Total Footprint 14
If Everyone Lived Like You, We Would Need 3.2 Planets.
CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 6.2
MOBILITY 0.7
SHELTER 2.7
GOODS/SERVICES 2.5
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 12
The food thing killed me, since I eat a lot of meat and dairy, most of the fruits I eat aren't local (no banana farms, mango orchards or even apple orchards in Texas) and beer definately counts as a processed food.
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