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I came across this on another forum and thought that some of our BJJ practitioners would enjoy seeing this. OK, not really! Actually I expect this to piss some of our BJJ enthusiests off but I figure they will want to know about it either way...
School Owners:
"Would you like to offer a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu program at your school?"
And, do you want to add 50-100 new adult students to your school?
How about earning your Black Belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu?
Now Is Your Chance!
Ever since the first UFC, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu has proven itself as the premier grappling art and an essential part of an effective self-defense program.
Now you can offer a comprehensive, turn-key BJJ program in your school when you join the International Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Association.
Why Offer A Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Program At Your School?
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is a great martial art for attracting adult male students between the ages of 18-50 years old. Every week I have a prospective student come in and say they want to learn to be like that "Gracie Guy". This market wants to learn Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Now you can fill that need, make more money, expand your knowledge and earn your Black Belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
But I've Never Done Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu?
That's O.K., our systematic turn-key program is designed for school owners like yourself with little or no experience to learn and teach Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu at your school. Our program is so easy, you can start teaching it within 1 week. Now, I am not saying you will be awesome at Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu within 1 week, but you will be able to teach your first class with confidence.
How Do I Learn And Get Certified?
You will learn from the video and practice the techniques everyday with a partner. Also, we are available for private lessons and seminars to help speed up your learning process. In order to earn rank, you need to meet the minimum requirements and pass each belt test set forth by the IBJJA.
Who Are You?
My name is Jerry Laurita, I am a Black Belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu under Master Joe Moreira and founder of the International Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Association. I have been using this program since 1999 to train everyday students and competitors. (Many became champions.)
Why Should I Choose Your Program?
Because we know what busy school owners like you need! Simply look at the class calendar, see what section you need to teach, look in the Instructor Handbook at the specific techniques you need to teach and practice the techniques on the video. It is that easy.
What Does Your Program Include?
Beginner/Intermediate Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Curriculum DVD
IBJJA Instructor Certificate (must qualify)
Belt Testing Requirements
Instructor Handbook
Class plans for 1 year
Attendance Cards (Master copies)
IBJJA School Affiliate Membership
IBJJA School Certificate
IBJJA Patch
For more information on our Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Instructor Training Program:
Call Today!
623-582-3153
(remember to mention you heard about it from Mike Massie's newsletter)
or visit us online at
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MD Marketing LLC
550 FM 1660 South
Hutto
Texas 78634
United States"
Dennis Monk
11-17-2005, 18:22
McBJJ huh?
McBJJ huh?
It appears so, happy meal and all...
You are right, it was just a matter of time...
TIRAGION
11-17-2005, 19:54
You think the fries come with the IBJJA patch, belt and the handbook. 'Cause if they do, How much more is it to get it supersized????
PATHETIC..............
_________________________
Alexander Rakita
Cliff Hargrave
11-17-2005, 20:22
Laurita isn't the only BJJ guy that has caught the McDojo bug. Some very famous and well respected guys are doing the same thing. It's the wave of the future I guess.
Luebbers
11-17-2005, 21:43
MD Marketing LLC
550 FM 1660 South
Hutto
Texas 78634
United States"[/COLOR]
I think this little piece of information is particularly revealing. Would you learn to dance from a chef? Then why learn martial arts from a marketing firm?
On a possibly similar note, I read an article the other day about Frank Shamrock starting up a chain of MMA schools. While I think this could be a good thing in general, and I think Frank Shamrock is legit, he made a couple of disturbing statements. He mentioned a few times about how you could teach if you joined his program and completed it, or something to that effect. Maybe the program is really, really intense. Maybe it's just a primer on teaching made for people who are already experienced in MMA. But that kind of statement always raises my hackles.
WhiteBeltJones
11-17-2005, 23:35
Sad, and I had the naive assumption that the BJJ culture would automatically discourage McDojo types.
I wouldn't let this concern anybody. No bright-colored-belt and no amount of credentials can save you from not knowing what you're doing. Let these guys buy their rank. Hell, give them Black Belts, and let them send their students to NAGA so we can kick the crap out of them. All this does, is make the guys who are legit look that much better.
Jay Bell
11-18-2005, 08:32
This is horrible...
James O'Neill
11-18-2005, 08:42
...Sorry to hear about this. In the past this has happened with Hapkido, some of the FMA's etc - it's never a good thing IMO. ...And pretty soon you will see some new BJJ "Master" on the cover of some lame-arsed MA rag magazine doing a technique incorrectly. ...And verily, it will piss'st thou off.
So "I feel your pain" :(
How do you stop it though?
Eye4NEye
11-18-2005, 08:56
Damn it! You mean I am wasting my time at a real school, when I could ultimately be teaching in a week using this never before seen on TV offer?!?!
What a load of BS. It's really sad. I'm a relatively new student to BJJ and it still makes me sad to see it exploited.
Hell, maybe when our grandkids are growing up, every MA will be "BJJ" like "karate" was for us.
Tony Dismukes
11-18-2005, 11:59
I wouldn't let this concern anybody. No bright-colored-belt and no amount of credentials can save you from not knowing what you're doing. Let these guys buy their rank. Hell, give them Black Belts, and let them send their students to NAGA so we can kick the crap out of them. All this does, is make the guys who are legit look that much better.
Yes. I plan on competing at the Arnold Classic this coming spring - my first time in the blue belt division. I would love to have my first opponent be a product of a mcdojo. An easy win would start the day off right.
This is great! If I could learn to teach in only a week, think how good I'll be by the time the Arnold Classic rolls around. Heck, that's four months away! I may take the whole thing.
I'm building my trophy shelf tonight.
Brian R. VanCise
11-18-2005, 16:53
Disturbing, this is just some guys idea to
get rich quick while peddling some of
the knowledge he has! Nobody should
be teaching after one week of watching
videos!
Brian R. VanCise
www.instinctiveresponsetraining.com
yeah i saw that ad somewhere...i thought bjj was one of the last arts to go mcdojo, but i guess since its so popular it really was only a matter of time
Luebbers
11-18-2005, 18:50
I thought that because BJJ was such a tight-knit community, everyone knows everyone. But, for the uninitiated, there's no way to know you're facing a fraud. All a guy would have to do, is open a school in a town that doesn't have any legit BJJ guys. No one would be the wiser.
As for this, I'm beginning to think the only martial arts instructors who would go for this are people already running McDojo's. They probably don't even care about it's obviously shady premise, just so they can have "certification" to teach BJJ and increase the revenue.
I mean, everyone on this board recognizes that this is a sham; surely any martial arts instructor worth his salt in his own art would recognize this for what it is.
In all seriousness, I doubt this will last long. The weak and watered down schools can't stand the liability. Heck, it's hard for serious schools to stand the insurance (Assurance) risk and they already scrape along on just a few students. The large commercial schools won't stand for it.
After a couple of One Week Wonder Instructors dislocate a student's elbow or shoulder with a ude garami, this will come to a rapid halt with the lawyers in lurking nearby. If they weaken the techniques to make the lawyers happy, then they will have to start buying their competition uniforms from the Swiffer company so at least the floor will get clean when the students are used as mops.
Antares33
11-18-2005, 19:06
It's just a matter of time until we start hearing about schools teaching "Ancient" BJJ techniques too deadly for competition. It's sad really.
Mikey Triangles
11-18-2005, 19:42
Is this guy really a BB under Moreirra?
cuguacuarana
11-18-2005, 21:40
Damn, I could have had my black belt by now!!!
Archimedes
11-19-2005, 02:12
Is this guy really a BB under Moreirra?
Jerry Laurita is indeed a BB under Moreira:
http://www.bjj.org/a/people/moreira-joe.html
He's actually responding to the issue on this rather spirited thread on the Jiu Jitsu Gear forum:
http://www.jiujitsugear.com/forum/index.php?topic=52474.0
Antares33
11-19-2005, 15:51
After reading that, it seems Jerry Laurita is in fact allowing, even facilitating people to pass themselves off as BJJ instructors after 1 week of watching videos.
Sad. Especially since I have experienced first hand what it is like to learn BJJ from someone who is very underqualified.
Cliff Hargrave
11-19-2005, 16:05
Did you guys read the post on that jiujitsugear.com thread about the McDojo-ing of Muay Thai also? Some TKD guy attends a seminar and then teaches Muay Thai, but you have to wear a gi, and you cant hit in the head :)
All the "military combatives" stuff like Krav Maga is getting McDojo-ed, why not BJJ and Muay Thai too? I guess next we need UFC chain schools. Dana White can set up a package that lets McDojo owners attend a one week seminar with a UFC fighter and then hang out a sign as an official UFC/MMA school, complete with video testing.
Antares33
11-19-2005, 16:28
Don't forget to add about 37 different levels of rank, each with it's own uniform patch and testing fee.
This is freakin' great! This is going to be vastly entertaining!
BJJ is always performance-based, with roll-time on the mat not only required, but DEMANDED. Imagine a decent blue belt visiting one of these mcdojo BJJ schools, and totally wiping the floor with their senior students. There will be NO WAY that can be avoided, due to the prevalent culture in BJJ schools!
I do not see this as a self-sustaining situation.
Jeff Cook
Bad Karma
11-20-2005, 21:37
Agreed. The trade off would be them marketing themselves as a MMA school. Most MMA fighter's have a limited and focused fight plan which doesn't include being well versed in the aspects of BJJ. They tend to train a few basic things and (ideally) do them well.
Poor, Joe M.! He's got so many awesome BB instructors under his name, too.
Edit: Now that I've re-read the whole thing - DOH! - I can say that this is nothing more than offering some long distance training with a mandatory meeting of the minds to progress. It would be hard for someone to promote BJJ if they don't train under a BB, ya think? Also, try to recall a not too long ago past when there were't a whole bunch of options for people. This is what came out of it and then garage training opened up with the video instructionals boom. I SERIOUSLY doubt this is some Dragon Kenpo crap material. Joe's had this type of offering for some time, as has Roy Harris and Michael Jen, and several other people to include the Gracies (pick one). Come to think of it, if I were to long distance train, it would be BJJ for all the reasons brought out by other's in this thread. No chance you'll get far if it's not legit.
Peace
Archimedes
11-21-2005, 02:23
Imagine a decent blue belt visiting one of these mcdojo BJJ schools, and totally wiping the floor with their senior students.
Jeff Cook
Imagine a visiting four-stripe white belt rolling with an instructor who's only had a week of video training...
Cliff Hargrave
11-21-2005, 07:08
The problem isn't really with the program in general, it's with the special dark blue belt with red bar and the video testing. Even the different training groups over the years required testing in person with a black belt and you wore the normal belt that you earned. I started training with a blue belt in 1996 and he is now a black belt. He wore the normal belts he earned during the entire time. Plenty of people started in long distance training associations but the leader usually was required to be at least a legit blue belt.
Brian R. VanCise
11-21-2005, 10:06
Cliff,
You are definately right on that in the past the lead
instructor definately had to be a legit blue belt before
he could open a school. Usually these were already
well trained martial artists from another style and they
spent serious time getting their blue belts. Then they
continued training by having seminars every month or
every other month to spike their own growth. They to
the best of my knowledge did not video train and video
test. One of my instructors travelled to California and
stayed with the Gracies for quite awhile several times
before he got his blue belt and he was indeed very good
for doing this. My opinion is that nobody should be
teaching any art with only a day of training or by video
training. It does not matter what the art is BJJ, Tae Kwon Do,
Muay Thai, Police Defensive Tactics etc, there just is no quality control in those situations. Plus how much depth can they actually have when a student asks a question. Probably, none! However that is just my
two cents.
Brian R. VanCise
www.instinctiveresponsetraining.com
Luebbers
11-21-2005, 18:16
These guys are in for a rude, rude awakening the first time they try to compete. In order to pull this off at all, you'd really have to isolate yourself from the BJJ community at large. This leads me to two conclusions.
The first: instructors who really care and want to learn, will soon discover that there is far more to BJJ than this program can provide them, and will hopefully try to find other ways of suitable instruction, and continue practicing at their own schools.
The second: instructors who don't care and simply want to add it to the curriculum to bring in more students and to add another title to their name. These people will either experience the rude awakening above, and/or they will intnetionally try to avoid the BJJ community outside their school. However, these people were never really interested in the art in the first place, so little is really lost on them. Too bad for their students, though. Although, the same formula could apply.
Students who want to learn, will discover they are being destroyed by other BJJ'ers at tournaments. Students who just want to help themselves sleep better will develop their ancient techniques that are too dangerous for competition.
where are the old days when the Gracie Clan would go around kicking the crap out of b.s. schools like this? That is what they need....if not the tournaments will shed the phoneys....people wont pay to get beat up at tournaments...we dont "spar" and pull our shots like traditional schools and tournaments...people will get hurt and they wont be able to stay open...Martial Arts Darwinian theory.
Keith
Cliff Hargrave
12-03-2005, 09:25
I can see large chain schools doing their own type of closed grappling tournaments. The ones we have around here put on their own point fighting tournaments that are only attended by schools in their organizations. You never see these guys at open tournaments. The running joke is they only fight each other so they don't know they suck. They could do the same with grappling by adding it to their already existing tournaments. You wouldn't have to worry about a visiting blue belt wrecking folks because those types of schools don't allow visiters to train, only people that sign up with their contracts.
Bad Karma
12-03-2005, 12:46
Didn't I read in the thread of the post in question where Helio Gracie was wearing the dark blue or something? There was a mention as to where the dark blue w/red stripe was used before...too lazy to go back and find it.
Peace
Never mind guys, it looks like Royce is a fan of online training... At least according to this guy.
https://karateclassesonline.com/direct.php?fuseaction=CMS&key=32/2
I wonder if Royce and Chuck know their images are being used to promote this stuff...
Cliff Hargrave
12-06-2005, 22:03
Never mind guys, it looks like Royce is a fan of online training... At least according to this guy.
https://karateclassesonline.com/direct.php?fuseaction=CMS&key=32/2
I wonder if Royce and Chuck know their images are being used to promote this stuff...
That idiot didn't even know who he was taking the picture with. The caption says Royce Gracie and his father, but it was Relson (his older brother), not Helio.
But he DOES have a picture with Chuck Norris and a Power Ranger (Jason David Frank).
Antares33
12-06-2005, 22:53
Wow A picture with Royce gracie!!!! It's not like just anyone cou..... wait. I have one of those.
Buy my tape!!!
http://holly.colostate.edu/~zieglerj/meroyce.jpg
It's overexposed because we were training in a super secret ninja dojo and all the chi built up between me and Royce completely overloaded the camera and stuff.
That idiot didn't even know who he was taking the picture with. The caption says Royce Gracie and his father, but it was Relson (his older brother), not Helio.
But he DOES have a picture with Chuck Norris and a Power Ranger (Jason David Frank).
:laugh: I knew that one would get you going Cliff!
James O'Neill
12-07-2005, 08:33
"It's overexposed because we were training in a super secret ninja dojo and all the chi built up between me and Royce completely overloaded the camera and stuff."
LOL!
That was too funny dude :laugh:
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