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[gr455h0pp3r]

At one time when someone used to say to me that part of their training involves the study of Dim-Mak inside I chuckle thinking that it is a useless method.

Now I read about the Southern Chow Gar system which focuses on protection of and aggression towards pressure points using training methods such as "Iron Shirt, Blood sand palm, Iron Palm and Dim Mak ".

I also read of other styles which use it.

My Sifu does not believe in Dim Mak or practice it. However he mentions the vital organs which generally run down the centerline.

What is to make of this? Is Dim Mak real? How is this so?

[sean_stonehart]

Eh from everything I've heard, seen, felt & studied "Dim Mak" per se as a stand alone object doesn't exist. The use of the knowledge of the body combined with a fighting system can produce "Dim Mak" results.

The Hakka styles tend to use the pressure point hitting just so they don't work so hard in fighting to wear the opponent down PDQ & dispatch them. From what I've heard/read/etc... they'll chain multiple strikes together in pressure points & what not to start taking weapons (arms/legs) away from the opponent & then move in. Kinda like the old saying "Man can't fight you if he can't move <insert body part>..."

This is just my opinion & limited intel on it.

[Jeff Burger]

I feel the technique must work regardless of Dim Mak.

Example...
A grab and strike needs to work as just that. If you can get or happen to get any pressure points then bonus.
Pressure points being a icing on the cake if you will.


Jeff

[Sochin]

If I punch you on the point of the chin and knock you out, I have just used pressure point fighting. If I kick the perinial (sp?) nerve and charlie horse your leg, I'm using pressure point fighting.

Dim mak is supposedly the ultimate in pp tactics, and refers to the delayed death touch...I hit you now and in three days you die.

As we all know, its truest expression is found in the five finger palm of death in Kill Bill, where it belongs.

[RickMatz]

If you hit someone hard enough to kill him, does that qualify as a "Death touch?"

[Jeff Burger]

Just wanted to say I practice no Dim Mak.
Groin, eyes and throat will get you pretty far.


Jeff

[fightgrrl]

I have to say, I believe the results exist, although the odds of ever fighting with Dim Mak are pretty non-existent.
However, I have had The Power.....
I knocked Jeff on the calf once, just a passing accidental "bump", not a kick-nothing you'd think twice about, the next day he said he couldn't walk. He was the one saying "You Dim Makked me!"

[Digi]

I know one person who's been able to use that technique effectively.
Click here to see "The Human Stun Gun" in action (http://www.zippyvideos.com/4430130341600156/humanstungun/) :bandit:

[Iron Monkey]

Well every one has their own saying and I say it does exist, in wing chun the Dim mak is stressed and as said before there will always be issues with in the wing chun systems. When ever I go to a training camp of william cheungs, they always talking about the dim mak, truth be told people have been hit with dim mak points I have heard stories of people being sick and even death. If some think it does not exist, thats their own saying but they may want to do alittle more research if they have never trained in these systems or have experienced it. :D

[Dennis Monk]

Pure unadulterated Bull Shite! Dim Mak as taught by Dillman and Dillman's minions is bunk. They are charlatans that cooerce and convince their students that if you aren't knocked out by their pressure point taps, or their no touch chi ball knockouts, your chi is all out of whack and need to work on it. OK. People like this, and the poor fools that believe in it are pitiful.

[sean_stonehart]

What Dennis said... :D

[Glide]

What Dennis said too ......... :laugh:

[Erik]

I've used pressure points while grappling. Pressed at the base of the jaw, between hand knuckles to open a grip, knuckled the xiphoid process, dug at that point at the base of the thumb and pointer finger, and the temple.

They worked at the moment in that they loosened the guy up a little so I could do something else. I doubt that there were any organ failures one week later (gawd, I hope not!) and the guy certainly didn't die.

But I've noticed that these pressure points work well on some people and not at all on others, so maybe they have some sort of iron shirt, glove, or balaclava.

[khujo78]

I actually saw dim mak in action ont he USS Nimitz. We had some 'tough' guys on there and one who had a kind of snotty attitude and kept claiming that he could just knock people out with a single strike...using dim mak. Well he did get one strike in on a guy, but he then rceived about 6 or 7 in return and didn't get up. The guy he hit lived for the rest of the deployment, so it may just be a VERY delayed death strike.

[Iron Monkey]

Pure unadulterated Bull Shite! Dim Mak as taught by Dillman and Dillman's minions is bunk. They are charlatans that cooerce and convince their students that if you aren't knocked out by their pressure point taps, or their no touch chi ball knockouts, your chi is all out of whack and need to work on it. OK. People like this, and the poor fools that believe in it are pitiful.


Well truth be told as I said before if that is your saying dennis ok. I know I believe in it and as I said before for someone who have never trained under these styles, that have the dim mak, for example, if they have not trained or experienced it, oh well you know the rest, as I said before. :bow:

[Dennis Monk]

Well truth be told as I said before if that is your saying dennis ok. I know I believe in it and as I said before for someone who have never trained under these styles, that have the dim mak, for example, if they have not trained or experienced it, oh well you know the rest, as I said before. :bow:
Well, I am not going to berate you for your sentence structure, grammar and punctuation, even though after I read your post I had no idea what you were saying. Believe in what you wish, take stories you have heard from others as gospel, and enjoy.

[Iron Monkey]

Well, I am not going to berate you for your sentence structure, grammar and punctuation, even though after I read your post I had no idea what you were saying. Believe in what you wish, take stories you have heard from others as gospel, and enjoy.

Well I am not writing anymore college papers until after christmas and for you to respond back, you had to understand me. Truth be told your right I believe in what I want and you do the same. :bow:

[Musubi Dojo]

I know one person who's been able to use that technique effectively.
Click here to see "The Human Stun Gun" in action (http://www.zippyvideos.com/4430130341600156/humanstungun/) :bandit:

That was hilarious!

I've stunned people with PPCT in sparring situations. (brachieal stun)
I've seen a guy dropped with single a roundhouse kick to the mid-thigh.
He didn't pass out though, he twitched on the ground yelping in pain. As I've learned since coming to budoseek that move only works when the leg is locked straight..

I've also pushed spots on the forearm, under the nose and along the jawline to give people a quick jolt of pain and move them along. I've knocked the wind out of people with a quick shot to the floating ribs. That stuff works, but I've never tried it aginst someone who was trying to do me serious physical harm.

As for no touch knock outs and "wrist slap, face slap knock outs" I think it's sad and funny. Funny to watch and sad people buy into that crap and think it will save their lives.
Even "if" it worked they appear to practice against stationary opponents with their hands down in all the videos I've seen. A REAL fight is going to be a BIG dissapointment with moving, angry, attacking type opponents. :laugh:

Cheers
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[TogaAssassin]

I don't think I beleive in Dim Mak at all. I was out at a bar about a year ago with my Seifu just having a drink (actually congradulating him on his sons graduation from pre school if you can call that a graduation). We where sitting there talking about football if I remember correctly, when, as if by the hand of a greater power of some kind a guy comes up out of nowhere and starts talking to us about dim mak (he did not know either of us practiced martial arts in any way).

He was pretty up front with saying what he knew (he claimed to train udner a shaolin master in mexico since dim mak is illegal in america =-P). So I offered to be his test subject if he wanted to show us something cool.

From my limited experiance with tajiquan I knew that should he get overzelous or be to drunk my best defense would be to control my breathing and attempt to center myself to "shrink" my points (my terminology might be off but as I said my experiance withTaji is limited). Well my fears where totally unwarranted, I didn't need to worry about that. This guy dropped into what I can best refer to as a shaolin toe stance (I guess, I was always under the impression shaolin toe stance places all weight on the rear leg to maintain center, this was apparently not the case here) and began reaching around and making what I could only describe as weak point strikes to the side of my neck with a hooked single finger hand position (looking for the catanoid sinus????). I've felt more pain and danger sparring with students of Southern Mantis kung fu then against this Dim Mak "Master" who I was openly letting take shots at me. After he was done he proudly exlaimed I would be dead if he wanted me to be..... I somehow doubt that. Shortly after we closed out our tab and headed home. To this day we still joke about the Dim Mak masters of mexico ;)