New Sword

[Rokto Obotar]

So my father saw how involved I am in MA and he knows that Im going towards the japanese style of aikido. He asked me what Kind of swords they use and practice with(not bokkens I already have a pair). So In AIKI arts do they practice with Katanas traditional Samurai Katans or what Kind of swords? I think hes going to get me one on entering my Aikido school in San Diego. Also are Bo or Jo Staffs used in Aikido?

[Mark Barlow]

There are few things more terrifying than a beginner with a katana.

[TonyU]

There are few things more terrifying than a beginner with a katana.
Uh...I can't think of any at the moment.

[Mark Barlow]

I've got it! Two swords and he tries Niten Ryu. Twice the mayhem, twice the damage, it's two, two, two stupid accidents in one.

[Rokto Obotar]

Im a skilled swordsmen thank you I have been training Shotokan My whole life my sensei has trained me well and was just wondering about aikido swords. Wow thanks for asuming something. No Im no master in any sword art but I can handle a sword please do not post in my threads unless you have something that answers my question or positive critisisum.

[Mark Barlow]

Shotokan training equates to swordsmanship? Hmm, I did not know that...

[TonyU]

Sorry Brad Shotokan does not do sword work.
Maybe your sensei has done it seperately and now teaches it with Shotokan, but it was never part of the curriculum.

[Mark Barlow]

Most aikidoka don't claim to be expert swordsmen either. If muto is taught in the curriculum, aikiken is practiced enough so that we know not to grab the sharp pointy end. Kenjutsu, battojutsu, kendo, iaido, whatever...are all seperate martial arts.

Whether you choose to believe it or not, our primary concern is for your safety and the safety of those around you. Since I know from experience that you neither want or will listen to advice, I'm bowing out now. Good luck with whatever sharp object Dad buys for you.

[Gene Williams]

Im a skilled swordsmen thank you I have been training Shotokan My whole life my sensei has trained me well and was just wondering about aikido swords. Wow thanks for asuming something. No Im no master in any sword art but I can handle a sword please do not post in my threads unless you have something that answers my question or positive critisisum.



No one 17 years old has mastered anything. I hope your karate is better than your spelling and punctuation. The thread is not "your's" but belongs to the Webmaster. You may not see this as a positive criticism, but it is positively a criticism.

[Rokto Obotar]

My Sensei has been a personal friend of the family since before I was born. I said shotokan because thats the martial art he trained me in, I didnt mean to refer to shotokan as my training for the sword. My Sensei taught me personaly. You all think a 17yr old will take a sword and go flaunt it, I dont im different. I currently have a jintachi in my possesion that holds much sentimental value to me that I have never shown anyone despite what you think. I do not intend to show people rather then display it when I become a graduate of college and able to own my own home. I have trained using that sword with my sensei along with my bokkens(WOODEN SWORDS). I have no intention of ever using them on someone and you can not tell me that having a sword in my possession for LEARNING HOW TO USE IT IS WRONG! Mr. Barlow I feel that you have said some pretty rude things to me and its not very kind, I understand what you mean by the safety of those around me and again I have no intension on flaunting the sword rather then having it to train. Now What swords do the aiki arts use? Also do they use BO or JO staffs more?

[Mark Barlow]

If mild sarcasm strikes you as rude, I apologize.

Regardless, of your relationship to your sensei, I still don't think you have much of a grasp of what is involved in the Japanese sword arts. Believing that aikido requires a katana or that your aikido training will benefit from possessing one tells me what I need to know. If I remember correctly, there are Shinkendo classes in your area. Seek out competent instruction before purchasing any type of sword. As I said before, good luck and remember to keep pressure on the wound.

[Gene Williams]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Rokto Obotar]

sarcasm? "Good luck with whatever sharp object Dad buys for you."
Disrespectful to my family and my father(apologie would be nice you dont know my father or what hes done in his life and had to go through). My father is a very inteligent and responsible person and if he felt that I could not handle a blade or feel that I had the expereince or even the responsibility to own one, then he wouldnt let me have one let alone buy one for me. I would like to own the aiki weapon whether it be the sword or the staff to be a constant training item for me. Again only brought out on my own otherwise put away never to be touched. Again I will not use the sword against some one else but for PRACTICE, aparently being close to the hill you cant comprehend my bad grammar ;). For the last time (i hope) I would just like to know what swords the aiki arts use is it a katana or more of a straight samurai sword?

[Bugeisha]

You could always check with your aikido sensei, and get what they recommend. If you don't have an aikido sensei to ask, the question is a moot point anyway.

[Gene Williams]

sarcasm? "Good luck with whatever sharp object Dad buys for you."
Disrespectful to my family and my father. My father is a very inteligent and responsible person and if he felt that I could not handle a blade or feel that I had the expereince or even the responsibility to own one, then he wouldnt let me have one let alone buy one for me. I would like to own the aiki weapon whether it be the sword or the staff to be a constant training item for me. Again only brought out on my own otherwise put away never to be touched. Again I will not use the sword against some one else but for PRACTICE, aparently being close to the hill you cant comprehend my bad grammar ;). For the last time (i hope) I would just like to know what swords the aiki arts use is it a katana or more of a straight samurai sword?


Actually, I understand your bad grammar and your attitude quite well. They mark you as lazy, immature, petulant, undisciplined and, in a word, snotty. Now, maybe Daddy will buy you a chain saw to go with the sword and you can go up in the highway and play.

[Asechikan242]

In an atempt to actually answer your question. Most aikido schools do not train with live katana. bokken however are commonly used. If you find an aikido dojo where the instructor has trained in a sword ryu-ha (kenjutsu, iaido, shinkendo,etc..) then they may offer it as an adjuct to the aikido training but it is not a part of aikido curriculum.
This being said if you plan to get a live katana it is best to wait until you have begun training in that particular sword style so that your instructor can direct you to the proper sword to get as some schools of sword might require specific deminsions for the sword. I hope this helps and best of luck. OH and yes most aikido schools use bo and jo.

[Rokto Obotar]

Aparently you havent read any of my post and how my father feels I have a maturity level to have the item and not use it on people. you are reading my posts in your head creating your own tone of voice so you are perceiving me as rude, snotty, and immature when it is really your brain telling you that Im talking like that... We are on the internet that means you cant hear my tone of voice. Thank u pevey thats what I ment, I didnt mean to say that the minute I join i will obtain the sword rather when we are taught iaido which is what the sensei teaches.

[Gene Williams]

Aparently you havent read any of my post and how my father feels I have a maturity level to have the item and not use it on people. you are reading my posts in your head creating your own tone of voice so you are perceiving me as rude, snotty, and immature when it is really your brain telling you that Im talking like that... We are on the internet that means you cant hear my tone of voice. Thank u pevey thats what I ment, I didnt mean to say that the minute I join i will obtain the sword rather when we are taught iaido which is what the sensei teaches.


"Palaver..." isn't that close to Hattiesburg? :D

[Rokto Obotar]

your pathetic, we have gone through 16 posts of bull in 1 hour. When pevey came up in 1 minute and answered my question. Please dont post on any of the threads I create anymore because you have lost my respect.

"Palaver..." isn't that close to Hattiesburg? :D

(I prove my point how you arent reading my posts)
Obviously you dont know what swords they use in aiki arts.

Its not kind to go agianst a persons wishes and keep bringing them down. You should be the one telling me this since you being of the age 50 and me being a child as you put it. I have been saying the whole time that my father believes im responsible and please only answer my question.

[starkjudo]

"Palaver..." isn't that close to Hattiesburg? :D

Gene, don't bring Miss'ippi into this. This kid's California-dumb.

[Rokto Obotar]

yah a 3.9 is real dumb top highschool in california raiting 95% on psat yah o and im very interested in american history thanks

Please remove this
Kenjutsu prodigy and future soke of palaver

SO MUCH DISRESPECT God none of you have any dignity left but to bring a kid down. Way to go you accomplished it do you feel better about yourselves? your all 30+ yrs old and you cant find anything better to do then go on the computer and try to break people. Obviously in the 60s and 70s you were to busy smoking marijuana to go to your ethics class O WAIT THEY DIDNT HAVE ETHICS IN THAT DECADE! We do and we learn about it every day. I have never made an immoral decision in my life, I have never harmed a person unless it was for my deffense. I NEVER PURPOSLY GANGED UP ON SOMEONE YOUNGER THEN ME TO MAKE MY SELF FEEL BETTER!

IF THIS IS HOW THIS FORUM CONDUCTS THEM SELVES TO BRING OTHERS DOWN SOME MARTIAL ARTIST YOU ARE WILLIAMS RIGHT NOW I FEEL HARASSED AND APAULED THAT NO MODERATOR IS STOPING THIS, I OPENED THIS TO ASK ABOUT A SWORD AND IT ENDS IN PEOPLE TRYING TO BRING THEM SELVES UP BY BRINGING PEOPLE DOWN. REMOVE THIS RIGHT AWAY! Kenjutsu prodigy and future soke of palaver

[TonyU]

I suggest you stop yelling.

BTW, you have to earn respect before you get it.

[Rasputin]

Oh, Rokto. It certainly didn't take very long for you to wear out your welcome here at Budoseek.

I suggest you take some time off. Relax. Switch to decaf. Spend a few days lurking here on Budoseek to see if any of the people who have been doing martial arts for decades have anything remotely useful which you can absorb before you come back and open your mouth.

[Asechikan242]

sorry guys but i can see why hes just a little upset.


BTW, you have to earn respect before you get it.

That dosnt mean you should get treated with disrespect from the start. like having your tittle changed under your name to "future kenjutsu master and soke of palaver" or whatever it was or the first three post to your question be from moderators and be smart a$$ed sarcastic comments without a serious answer in them to let someone know you might be joking. JMHO

[Rasputin]

If you follow his posts in all the concerned threads, he was given ample opportunity to see that his behavior was inappropriate and unwelcome. In my opinion, he got off easy. Other forums less civil than Budoseek would have resulted in far more agressive attacks and outright flaming.

[Peter Rehse]

Brad;

Take a breath and try to understand that your posts raise hackles and flags. You are trying to impress people that have had their fill of people trying to impress.

Claims of skill, training and intelligence are weighed against what and how you write and frankly speaking you are reaching.

I'm considering giving you a short ban to cool your heels and to let the old dogs (Hi Gene) loose the scent. I'll make up my mind based on your next posts.

PS. I see it was already made for me by another moderator. All good.

[Asechikan242]

mabey so but im not refering to those posts. just this one and he asked a pretty legit question (for a beginer) that only required a simple answer. And ive seen budoseek do its own share of flaming and trolling its just done a little more creativly. but your right that other forums are often less civil than this one.

[TonyU]

If you follow his posts in all the concerned threads, he was given ample opportunity to see that his behavior was inappropriate and unwelcome. In my opinion, he got off easy. Other forums less civil than Budoseek would have resulted in far more agressive attacks and outright flaming.
Plus Mr. Pevey, you have many juveniles or inexeprienced member coming here and asking for information on the purchasing or usage of very dangerous weapons.
Weapons that have the potential of doing some serious damage.

It's been metioned ad nauseam in many threads for all to see.
That is to learn from an experienced teacher the proper and safe usage of the weapon first.
Unfortunately it always seems to fall on deaf years.

I, for one, and many moderators will agree with me, will not cater to their requests.

[Asechikan242]

Plus Mr. Pevey, you have many juveniles or inexeprienced member coming here and asking for information on the purchasing or usage of very dangerous weapons.
Weapons that have the potential of doing some serious damage.

It's been metioned ad nauseam in many threads for all to see.
That is to learn from an experienced teacher the proper and safe usage of the weapon first.
Unfortunately it always seems to fall on deaf years.

I, for one, and many moderators will agree with me, will not cater to their requests.

I completly understand and agree with you Mr. Tony, thats why I answered his question but advised him to seek out his instructor first but did not tell him what kind of sword to buy. and that simple explination you just gave me would have been fair and ok in response to his question but there was alot of implied insult in the inital posts (by moderators) to a simple question but thats JMHO. But I do agree that there is often imaturity and irresponsibiliy manifested on this forum form time to time. :)

[Aaron T Fields]

The basic English skills, (or should it be skilz,) of the youth today. What has happened in our schools that I cannot read a sentence and understand what is being said. I have a fourteen month old son and this thread has given me all I need to convince me to send him to a expensive, but academically challenging school. It will be worth the twenty grand a year. My brain hurts cuz i dont understand thang dat wuz said by da kiddy, 4reel. (oops no periods or comma.)

Just think he may have not learned it, but someone along the way gave him passing marks in English.

Aaron Fields
Seattle Jujutsu Club, Hatake Dojo
Sea-Town Sombo
www.seattle-jujutsu.org

[Gene Williams]

The basic English skills, (or should it be skilz,) of the youth today. What has happened in our schools that I cannot read a sentence and understand what is being said. I have a fourteen month old son and this thread has given me all I need to convince me to send him to a expensive, but academically challenging school. It will be worth the twenty grand a year. My brain hurts cuz i dont understand thang dat wuz said by da kiddy, 4reel. (oops no periods or comma.)

Just think he may have not learned it, but someone along the way gave him passing marks in English.

Aaron Fields
Seattle Jujutsu Club, Hatake Dojo
Sea-Town Sombo
www.seattle-jujutsu.org

In my state, anyway, any parent who can afford to send their child to a private school and doesn't is, in my opinion, irresponsible.

Mr. Pevey, are you a social worker? :D

[jjaje]

yah a 3.9 is real dumb top highschool in california raiting 95% on psat yah o and im very interested in american history thanks

your all 30+ yrs old and you cant find anything better to do then go on the computer and try to break people. Obviously in the 60s and 70s you were to busy smoking marijuana

I'll let the grammar and spelling police do their own work but I will say about the math of your 95% school - people who are in their 30's (like myself) were born in the late 60's or early 70's - so unless they were smoking pot when they were 2 and skipping the kindergarten ethics classes - you owe all those people you blatantly insulted an apology.

Regarding your original question, on this forum and many others, it is all too common for someone to come up and ask questions like yours. People with years of experience in the martial arts have seen all kinds of accidents. I have seen someone do improper stretching once from bad advice before and she was carried off in an ambulance strapped to a board. We want you to realize that although you may be in the third standard deviation to the right of the bell curve, there are many others who read this board who are not, and the comments are as much for their safety as well as your own.

The answer to your question, the one you actually liked, totally comes from common sense we would expect someone touting their own high maturity, 3.9gpa from a high standard school. If you were going to take up boxing, you would visit a gym, take a lesson, and find out what that gym recommends from an equipment standpoint. DIfferent gyms may require different equipment. The same would be true for Aikido, visit studios, join then get a weapon that suits you best. I suppose we just erroneously expected with maturity comes patience and humbleness.

Now you say you are responsible and I have no real reason to doubt it, but on the Sword Forum there was a story of a 18 year old responsible person who just had to have a Hanwei Katana. Ruined it the first week he had it, seems the ceiling fan took a chunk out of the tip.

[Mark Barlow]

Mr. Peavy,

Anytime a kid asks me where to get matches and gasoline, I'll probably give him a less than informative response.

[howard]

Gene, don't bring Miss'ippi into this...
:laugh:
Rob, my parents got married in Meridian, Miss'ippi... it's nice to find somebody else who knows how to spell the name of the state. My mother has pronounced it that way all of her life (she's from Arkansas, not far from Memphis).

Brad, I'd recommend that you consider this. Get yourself a dull practice sword (iaito) to start. Many are made of metal alloys that are lighter than steel, but you can find them that are virtually identical to a real cutter (i.e., made of steel), except that the final step of sharpening the blade has been omitted. So, they're the same size and weight as a real cutter, but you can't really hurt yourself or anybody around you in the event you make a mistake, which all of us who train with swords do, and frequently in the beginning. If you're interested in Iaido or Iaijutsu, a practice sword wil be fine for kata and drilling the basic movements (drawing, the basic cuts and re-sheathing). Even after several years of training in a sword art, I still use only a practice sword for training.

Good luck, and be safe.

[Mark Barlow]

I can understand that people want to be helpful and offer advice but I still think you're missing the main point... this is a kid who thinks he's capable of using a live blade. He's stated that he is a skilled swordsman. How many 17 yr old swordsman have you run across, not counting the swing & scream kids at karate tournaments, who actually know proper care and use of the katana?

By giving him info on what katana to buy and where dad can go pick it up, we're not only supporting dangerous behavior but stating to anyone who can read that it is o.k. for kids to have dangerous weapons they are not capable of using correctly.

[Webmaster]

I can understand that people want to be helpful and offer advice but I still think you're missing the main point... this is a kid who thinks he's capable of using a live blade. He's stated that he is a skilled swordsman. How many 17 yr old swordsman have you run across, not counting the swing & scream kids at karate tournaments, who actually know proper care and use of the katana?

By giving him info on what katana to buy and where dad can go pick it up, we're not only supporting dangerous behavior but stating to anyone who can read that it is o.k. for kids to have dangerous weapons they are not capable of using correctly.
Very true. A minor cannot own a firearm do to the danger of its improper use, so why should be expect that a sword would be any different.

[Ron Tisdale]

And even Iaito are dangerous. Especially if not well made.

The SD dojo suggested on another thread, run by Chiba Sensei, should teach Iaido as well as Aikido. The proper thing to do would be to check out the dojo, apply to join, and buy whatever the instructor recommends.

Best,
Ron

[shutterspeed]

You'll have to pardon me, but as a public school English teacher AND a resident of Hattiesburg, MS I feel most obliged to respond. :)

I was a bit disappointed to see the blatant attacks on ol' Rokto--especially within the confines of an Aikido thread. I think one needs to take into account Rokto's age before responding in an overly harsh way. What male teenager wouldn't get jazzed about owning his own sword? Secondly, I can tell you from first-hand experience that language arts are not a birthright. While Rokto's grammar leaves much to be desired (anyone even bother to ask if English is his first language?), his is by far not the worst I've ever seen.

With that in mind, is the goal here really to turn off a young martial arts enthusiast from communicating with a group that shares similar interests? Did anyone consider that by using this forum to communicate, as well as being exposed to skilled writers here, his language skills might actually improve as a result?

At least Rokto has the presence of mind to seek weapons training from a qualified instructor. That's more than I can say for the teenagers who bring guns to my school without any consideration or training at all.

[Mark Barlow]

I don't think he was being attacked unless you think questioning his ability to handle a dangerous weapon is an attack. If you've read his previous emails, you'd see that he has an extremely high opinion of himself that is not reinforced by the content of his posts.

Too many parents and educators insist on treating children and teens as little adults, capable of making rational choices and acting responsibly. Studies have shown that humans are biologically unable to be consistently rational until their early 20s. Ask any parent who has dealt with teens. They exhibit behavior that would be defined as crazy if seen in an adult. We overlook it because, "Hey, he's just a kid." I'm fine with kids being kids but don't expect me to hand over the keys to the weapon locker just because they ask.

Having just reread my earlier posts, I'm beginning to think that I was too easy on him. I didn't call him names, didn't question his intelligence or character. After making a joke and explaining that a katana was not a requirement of Aikido training, I suggested he seek competent training. I wish adults had been that helpful to me when I was a teen.

[Gene Williams]

You'll have to pardon me, but as a public school English teacher AND a resident of Hattiesburg, MS I feel most obliged to respond. :)

I was a bit disappointed to see the blatant attacks on ol' Rokto--especially within the confines of an Aikido thread. I think one needs to take into account Rokto's age before responding in an overly harsh way. What male teenager wouldn't get jazzed about owning his own sword? Secondly, I can tell you from first-hand experience that language arts are not a birthright. While Rokto's grammar leaves much to be desired (anyone even bother to ask if English is his first language?), his is by far not the worst I've ever seen.

With that in mind, is the goal here really to turn off a young martial arts enthusiast from communicating with a group that shares similar interests? Did anyone consider that by using this forum to communicate, as well as being exposed to skilled writers here, his language skills might actually improve as a result?

At least Rokto has the presence of mind to seek weapons training from a qualified instructor. That's more than I can say for the teenagers who bring guns to my school without any consideration or training at all.


I have taught numerous students his age or younger who were just as excited (although less hyper) about martial arts, just as full of youthful enthusiasm, and just as eager to learn weapons. The vast majority of them came with an openness to being instructed, good manners, an understanding that they did not know anything about martial arts, and some humility. The dojo taught them respect for seniors, patience (it is a long time before you learn weapons), attention to detail (see grammar and punctuation), and etiquette. Brad himself and his parents failed him on what he brought with him, the dojo failed him on the rest. Too bad.

[John Lucas]

I suggest you stop yelling.


The irony! The Irony is killing me!



Obviously in the 60s and 70s you were to busy smoking marijuana to go to your ethics class O WAIT THEY DIDNT HAVE ETHICS IN THAT DECADE! We do and we learn about it every day. I have never made an immoral decision in my life

That's pretty hilarious, thats the first time I've ever heard of a class for ethics that can teach you the difference between right and wrong, what's next, blackbelts in courtesy?

When I first signed up at Budoseek, I asked a question about a sword too, and I had handled swords before, etc. And I got much the same response. I felt similar to this at first. But when stopped being a whiny little kid and thought about it, I realized that they were right. If you really did need a sword, than your instructor would tell you what kind of sword to get, and when you're ready to use it.

Of course, I never said anything as delusional as "I have never made an immoral decision in my life." I was respectful, even when met with adverse opinions, and I continue to learn from this forum to this day.

[Toby Threadgill]

Hi,

And people ask me why I don't have any children....

_________

btw.... Gene, I love this: "Cantankerous Juggernaut of Exactitude"


I think I'm growing closer to that rather colorful metaphor everyday.

[Neil Yamamoto]

Toby wrote:
And people ask me why I don't have any children....

Toby, you have children, you just call them 'students' is all. semantics.

Me, I just have crude unsocialized relatives. Aaron Fields, Joe Svinth, Bernie Lau, Jon Bluming, Mark Feigenbaum, Don Angier, John Lovato, Rich Elias, Tony Alvarez, Dave Neeley...

[Aaron T Fields]

Prior to becoming a firefighter I taught Social Studies and ESL in the schools for about seven years. Part of my frustration with the profession was the mediocrity of the teaching body as a whole. Many teachers take no issue with the gibberish that is being passed off as writing.
Shutterspeed, I have also had students that wrote worse than what was being penned, but that doesn’t make the item at hand better. When I was teaching I did the same thing with any work of such quality, I failed them. I also pointed them in the direction to get help. Our, or more to the point, your job is to teach them to be literate. I am embarrassed for the educators and the system that allows for such failings. As an educator you should be too. Failure is critical to success, without one there other does not exist. If my son were passed with such English skills, as a native speaker, there would be hell to pay. Yes, I was a tough teacher, but my classes were always ones that were full, even filled by the 'at risk' students. They appreciated the fact that I didn't blow smoke, you know where.
Finally, it is not just the schools or the teachers that are to blame in totality. It begs the point, as a country we need to take heed and action, the above-mentioned skills are what is being turned out on a much larger scale than one would think.


Finally no one is asking for the world in the posts, instead just a attempt to make sense, and yes it takes some grammatical effort to do that.

On a side not I am a pair of throwing stars, I hope Toby or Neil can help me out. :laugh:

Aaron Fields
Seattle Jujutsu Club, Hatake Dojo
Sea-Town Sombo
www.seattle-jujutsu.org

[shutterspeed]

Aaron:

No one is debating the wholesale decline of Language Arts in America. I see it on a daily basis. Dissertations have been written on the subject. To address the matter in its entirety here would be impossible.

As a high school English teacher, I unfortunately do not receive kids during the most important part of the learning process--the youngest years. I receive them as they are, for better or worse. When they get to high school, there's not alot left I can do for them in terms of dramatic development (though my test scores sometimes might come close to indicating otherwise).

What I can do is guide students to utilize and refine what strengths they do have. If you're thinking that I cuddle and stroke fragile little egos all day, think again. My job DEPENDS on elevating my students' writing to certain standards, or legally I'm out of a job. My abrasiveness and high expectations frequently get me in hot water with (some) parents, administrators, and teachers. But I'm also no fool in the realization that the playing field is not level in every school system. In the two schools that I've worked in during my career (one a middle school, the other a high school), 90-100% of the kids eat free or reduced lunch. They are the poorest of the poor (keep in mind.. that's the poorest of the poor in MISSISSIPPI). You think the majority of these kids are planning for law school? I've produced several advanced writers during my tenure, but the achievements I'm proudest of often are the ones that go unnoticed by others (accept the human beings directly affected, that is)--the F and D students who rise to the average, or just above. Not necessarily just the A and B students who reach their potential.

This issue spills over into the martial arts (and other areas, such as churches, etc.), in my opinion. Sure, to have perfectly behaved and mature students to teach in a dojo would be the ideal. But what kind of students probably need the training and discipline of a martial art the most?

[Oscar Recio]

Toby & Aaron,

Well...you know...even as a Elementary school teacher this boy was not beginning with his right foot in this forum...

And Toby, i agree with Neil, you don´t have your "own" children but instead you got a plenty of "others" children as students...and we are just worse than the little kids!!! LOL

The guy was getting too much attention, ican´t be that polite with him and his claims and "stuff"...sorry, maybe i´m an elitist or something but even myself will be expecting more from his part.

Oscar Recio

[twharton]

Me, I just have crude unsocialized relatives. Aaron Fields, Joe Svinth, Bernie Lau, Jon Bluming, Mark Feigenbaum, Don Angier, John Lovato, Rich Elias, Tony Alvarez, Dave Neeley...

Don't forget us knuckle draggers down here in PDX! :t2:

[Yang Wei Xin]

after reading all the posts, especially the first page, id say that the insults he recieved were not that insulting. more funny than anything. would have been nice to answer his question at the same time, but oh well. rokto kind of blew it out of proportion, started talking about how skilled he was and such things, never good to brag to other martial artists, just leads to fighting. aint the only time either, he talks smack about knowing kung fu and calling it a show martial art in other forums, and i would like to know how a 17 year old kid has learned so many different styles, with enough experience to claim that he is an "experienced swordsmen". I don't know any "experienced swordsmen", seems to me you would have had to participate in a few life or death sword fights to earn that honor. just like i wouldn't call myself an experienced fighter if i had never been in a real street fight, sparring just doesn't cut it, they are not the same.

[Mark Barlow]

Look at postings anywhere on this website and notice how often humor is used. I've asked what I thought were intelligent questions and been showered with sarcasm and jokes, which I enjoyed immensely. One of the major appeals of budoseek is the caliber and quality of some of the posters intellect. The wit and humor shown here is definitely worth putting up with the occasional barbs. If your skin isn't thick enough to deal with it, stay on the porch.

No one attacked Brad but Brad implied that those of us blessed with age and experience :rolleyes: were obvious long-time drug users and incapable of recognizing greatness when we saw it. I am old enough to have experienced the "Just say, Yes, Please, I'll take a hit." 70s but I'm dull as can be and haven't even had a beer. I spent most of the 70s in the dojo, abusing my body without drugs.

If I respond to a kid, it's usually to offer sincere and real advice. It might be wrapped around some teasing but it's still there. I don't have the patience that so many posters exhibit to explain over and over in ever simpler terminology what a quick and easy web search will usually answer. It's not my job to gift wrap and sugar coat answers for the Lil' Ninjers but I also don't want to see them hurt themselves or others. Considering the aggravation and annoyance that dealing with jr.s provides, I'll probably just keep my mouth shut from now on when it comes to kids wanting to know why the sky is blue.

[David Anderson]

I suppose we could have given the kid a straight answer, but I too am getting very tired of answering the questions of people who really ought to be figuring things out for themselves. Rockto [or whatever his name was] actually searched out the websites of a half-dozen Aikido dojo, yet apparently didn't pick up on the fact that practice with steel swords is far from being the usual thing in Aikido.

People really ought to equip themselves with a clue or two before they start shooting their mouths off and asking silly questions on the Net. Maybe if their noses got rubbed in the fact they are clueless dorks, they'd change their ways...

[don]

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[KayJay]

I know this thread is old and getting dragged out but I have to wonder - How do you take someone serious who says how experienced they are and has pride in themselves and the art they take but can't show enough pride in their ability to write and make it understandable and readable? :o

My sensei has explained to us students about the dangers of handling a real sword of any type and even has a couple of stories of some that bought and handled them prematurely. Katanas seem to have a strong appeal for fingers.
I have to admit since practicing with the bokken, I have looked at some beautiful katanas I would love to have...to adorn the wall with. Unfortunately that would be where they'd end up, gathering dust. And with the way I handle my bokken at times, it would be a scary thing to handle a real blade knowing what it can do. (So how many times have I sliced my hand off now trying to resheath it?) :rolleyes:
He does intend to bring his in sometime and demonstrate what it's like to handle such a weapon and I definitely look forward to it.

[Peter Rehse]

Friend of mine tells a story about at the ripe old age of 35 he decided to enroll in the Butcher's course at the Provincial Trades and Tech College. Its was the full program ranging from Hoof to Counter and after they all had their Theory of Cow courses it was the first day with KNIVES and CLEAVERS.

I guess its all in the telling but the image of him and the teacher sitting well back while the youngsters ran amok always had me in stitches (excuse the pun).

And speaking of butchery we are beating a long dead horse.

[rgoad]

Peter,

Threadkiller. Spoil Sport. The body was still twitching.......

[Peter Rehse]

:D
True. Gives dying horse a quick kick.

What an *** (donkey) he was.