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Gene Williams
01-24-2006, 06:48
I rarely do lectures in class, but this is one I gave not long ago (with a little added :) ):
You have to get out of yourself to get "into" kata. That is part of what kata is designed to do, get you out of yourself and into a different mindset. The ultimate goal is "mushin," which has as much to do with practical application as any of the techniques or bunkai in the kata. There are certain things that are supposed to happen in a kata over time, but they only happen through regular practice of the kata. I mean considerably more than two or three nights a week in class. You have to make time to practice the kata alone outside of class as often as you can. If you are in karate for the right reasons, you should not be bored. If you think you are bored, it is a gift that reminds you of your ego getting in the way of your progress. NO ONE is good enough to be bored. Any seniors think the Pinan or Tenno and Chino (Fukyugata/Gakkisai) are boring? Shotokan guys don't like Taikyoku? That's ego, selfish practice.
So, what is supposed to happen with the kata and the individual? Over time, we are supposed to become less aware of ourselves doing the kata. As a beginner that's all you can think of. It is difficult, frustrating, all this attention to detail, it doesn't feel right, it looks funny. But, with time and repetiton you start to "get it" and it feels good to do the kata. Then one day you do the thing and it feels great but you don't remember if you made any mistakes or not. THAT'S IT!! Then you notice that the kata that used to seem to take forever and wear you out (Kosokun Dai/Kushanku, Seiuchin, Unshu :D ) don't seem to do that anymore. In fact, they give you energy now. YEP!! You are on your way. Suddenly, you notice that Sensei isn't saying much anymore when he watches your kata...is it that bad? But, wait, he is showing me more applications now...hmmmmm.
We often say the kata are supposed to become "second nature," and that is one way to put it. You will get to the point where the kata is just who you are in karate. You do the kata because they are who you are. You don't "think" about them while you do them. You begin to see the "opponent," and then you don't even see that...but those watching you will see the opponent.
There are some things that will hinder your practice and prevent the kata from leading you where you are supposed to go:
1) Trying different "versions" of the kata. I know you like that little move your Shorin ryu friend does in Bassai Dai. DON'T do it! Do one thing, one way for a long time. Every ryu has a purpose for what they do. Enjoy the variety, but don't try to embody it.
2) Get on through the tournament competition stage. You are not doing the kata for anyone but yourself (and Sensei in class, at least for a while). The right things can't happen as long as you are focused on what others think.
3) One patch, a clean white or black gi, and a plain simple belt. You seniors put the red and white belt in your bag for big events where people need to be able to pick the seniors out of the crowd and forget it. Your clothes reflect your spirit and mindset. If everything about you screams "look at me," you ain't getting there. It is a distraction, ego, and it messes up your practice. Self-consciousness is your biggest enemy.
4) Seniors, get over titles. The ryu or kai may give you one, and you should be humbled, put it in a simple frame on your private office wall, and tie your plain black belt back on and go do the Pinan again...oh, and keep your back straight and your fists tight :D

Kim Chi
01-24-2006, 07:32
Two "thumbs up", Gene.

I have about 20 kata that I go through every single day. Why? Because I like them. All of them. As an aside, they are are an excellent way to warm up/loosen up prior to lifting weights, but I look forward to doing them. Funny thing is, I can't even tell you what's on my mind as I'm doing them, and many times I'll finish one, and moments later I can't even remember which one I just did.
I know if I make a mistake because something feels wrong, not because I'm thinking about each move as it occurs.

I also play the piano, and it's much the same. If I know a song well enough to play without looking at the music, it just "happens". This only happens due to endless repetitions, but if you really love it, that's where the fun is.

Cliff Hargrave
01-24-2006, 07:35
If you think you are bored, it is a gift that reminds you of your ego getting in the way of your progress. NO ONE is good enough to be bored.

I am stealing that line. It's applicable to lots of things.

Gene Williams
01-24-2006, 07:48
Two "thumbs up", Gene.

I have about 20 kata that I go through every single day. Why? Because I like them. All of them. As an aside, they are are an excellent way to warm up/loosen up prior to lifting weights, but I look forward to doing them. Funny thing is, I can't even tell you what's on my mind as I'm doing them, and many times I'll finish one, and moments later I can't even remember which one I just did.
I know if I make a mistake because something feels wrong, not because I'm thinking about each move as it occurs.

I also play the piano, and it's much the same. If I know a song well enough to play without looking at the music, it just "happens". This only happens due to endless repetitions, but if you really love it, that's where the fun is.

I have often used a concert pianist as an analogy to a senior doing kata. :)

rgoad
01-24-2006, 08:12
The boredom quote is great. Reminded me of another favourite, "No one can do something wrong a thousand times."

BTW, Do you scare your students as much as you scare us?

TroyRoget
01-24-2006, 08:14
I think I'm coming to the point where I can do Naihanchi Shodan without thinking, but none of my other kata are even close. So much training to do, and (if I live up to the average life expectancy) only fifty years to do it!

TonyU
01-24-2006, 08:22
Gene,
Nice post.

Gene Williams
01-24-2006, 08:23
The boredom quote is great. Reminded me of another favourite, "No one can do something wrong a thousand times."

BTW, Do you scare your students as much as you scare us?

:D You'll have to ask Mr. Davis (Shisochin). He's on these forums some...seriously, don't give me that kind of credit. I believe any senior in a traditional karate ryu would tell you much the same thing in his/her own words. :bow:

TonyU
01-24-2006, 08:34
I believe any senior in a traditional karate ryu would tell you much the same thing in his/her own words. :bow:
Yeah, maybe, but you said much better than I ever could.

Sorry, let me get up from my knees. The result of being in this job too long.

Sochin
01-24-2006, 09:27
Thanks, Gene.

seidogirl
01-24-2006, 12:32
I've only been practicing karate for 2 months and only know Taikyoko 1, 2, 3, but I like doing kata. Thank you Gene for posting that. It's great for a beginner like me to read that to understand what kata is all about and how it should be approached.

Kata reminds me a little of Tai Chi. Is kata meant to be relaxing, therapeutic as well as practical?

Redcat
01-24-2006, 13:29
Wonderful post, Mr. Williams!

Sochin
01-24-2006, 14:03
"Kata is a way of doing something correctly and ceremoniously. Even this description leaves out something vital in the Japanese concept and which has few equivalents in western civilization, that is, that the ceremony is celebrated as the kata is being done."
~ Sensei Raymond Castilonia, in Nuggets in the Ground.

Ron Davis
01-24-2006, 14:20
BTW, Do you scare your students as much as you scare us?

I think you are always nervous when you are in front of your Sensei. I dont think that will ever change. However I think my studnets are more scared of Shihan Williams then I am now. Makes me feel better.

s.henson
01-24-2006, 14:48
Im just waiting on one of you to take my belt away.

Gene Williams
01-24-2006, 15:13
I've only been practicing karate for 2 months and only know Taikyoko 1, 2, 3, but I like doing kata. Thank you Gene for posting that. It's great for a beginner like me to read that to understand what kata is all about and how it should be approached.

Kata reminds me a little of Tai Chi. Is kata meant to be relaxing, therapeutic as well as practical?

Yes. All of the above. :)

Cliff Hargrave
01-24-2006, 15:38
Quit dancing around and fighting ghosts and hit a freaking heavy bag already, bunch a kata sissies....






:)

CEB
01-24-2006, 15:41
...............................................

Gene Williams
01-24-2006, 15:51
Quit dancing around and fighting ghosts and hit a freaking heavy bag already, bunch a kata sissies....

Yeah, we know about you guys who like to roll around on the mats together... :D

poetic misjustice
01-24-2006, 17:14
Quit dancing around and fighting ghosts and hit a freaking heavy bag already, bunch a kata sissies....






:)

ahh the closed minded strike again, if we were dancing around we would have joined a dance class, but we didn't, so obviously we are not dancing.

Cliff Hargrave
01-24-2006, 17:39
ahh the closed minded strike again, if we were dancing around we would have joined a dance class, but we didn't, so obviously we are not dancing.

Excuse me but that would be called humor. Supreme Grandmaster Williams recognized it as such and so should you. I was doing kata before you were born.

Gene Williams
01-24-2006, 17:59
Excuse me but that would be called humor. Supreme Grandmaster Williams recognized it as such and so should you. I was doing kata before you were born.

Hah!! That's nothing, I was doing kata before I was born...doesn't that make me some kind of soke or something?

TonyU
01-24-2006, 18:01
Hah!! That's nothing, I was doing kata before I was born...doesn't that make me some kind of soke or something?
...and I was doing toe kicks in the womb. What does that make me?

jwinch2
01-24-2006, 18:03
Ha! You two sound like that guy we had a couple of weeks ago who claimed to be training the spiritual aspects of CMA since he was 1 1/2 years old...

poetic misjustice
01-24-2006, 18:51
Excuse me but that would be called humor. Supreme Grandmaster Williams recognized it as such and so should you. I was doing kata before you were born.

nah i'm not too great at spotting humour from a post.

Bugeisha
01-24-2006, 21:05
Gene,
posts like this are why I spend more time in the Karate Forum with you guys than in the TKD forum.

Thanks.

Gene Williams
01-24-2006, 21:23
Gene,
posts like this are why I spend more time in the Karate Forum with you guys than in the TKD forum.

Thanks.

I'm glad you found it helpful...now, isn't there a good Okinawan karate school up there somewhere :D

Jared Sutton
01-24-2006, 21:39
Truly awesome.

You should have put this on General.

Bugeisha
01-24-2006, 23:43
I'm glad you found it helpful...now, isn't there a good Okinawan karate school up there somewhere :D

If only...