Training swords

[ds14]

Saw an article on here that was discussing eskrima sticks and one of the links showed what was basicaly a wedged stick, (with a diamond shape if viewed from the top of the blade), just like a reg. eskrima with the edges to simulate where the blade would be. Right now I go back and forth between working w/ reg. eskrimas and then some blade training with machetes, only problem being how loud the machetes are if we're in back while a class is going on, and the fear of a sizable hole in the wall, after a good disarm. Could anyone tell me what these stick/swords are called and good places to get them? Thanks for any help.

Dan Smith

[Brian R. VanCise]

Hi Dan,

I believe you can get what you are looking for over at :
www.kriscutlery.com ! Look under the Philipine section
in escrima for garotte and you will be all set. The also have wooden
bolos that are great for training as well.

Brian R. VanCise
www.instinctiveresponsetraining.com

[K Williams]

http://trainingblades.com/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=b72ad7033ddf62c8da9992ef1cda8311

[ds14]

That's it! Thanks a bunch guys, both links were helpful, and I think the kriscutlery one was where I previously saw the garrote. I think I'll probably start w/ the wooden ones, just being short on cash, but bolo or garotte, decisions decisions. Thanks again.

Dan Smith

[Brian R. VanCise]

Hey Dan,

Glad to be of help! Good luck in your training.

Brian R. VanCise
www.instinctiveresponsetraining.com

[Tim Kashino]

That's it! Thanks a bunch guys, both links were helpful, and I think the kriscutlery one was where I previously saw the garrote. I think I'll probably start w/ the wooden ones, just being short on cash, but bolo or garotte, decisions decisions. Thanks again.

Dan Smith

I've got an easy fix for you, Dan. Don't buy the expensive stuff on the internet and save your money. You can go down to Home Depot or any hardware store and buy an ax handle. Trim it down to the desired size, and there you go. You've got a safe bolo/sword trainer on a budget. The ax handle is shaped in such a way that you can work on edge awareness and all of the subtleties that go with working the sword.

r/

Tim

[DragonMind]

I use several pieces from Tak Knife (http://www.takknife.com/)

[ds14]

wow, great idea with the ax handle Tim, inexpensive is pretty high on my priority list, and sounds like it would still be a great training device. Thanks everyone for your help.

Dan Smith

[TogaAssassin]

Axe handles are an awesome idea and a great training tool :) I also have a Tak Knife sword that I absolutely love.

[Brian R. VanCise]

I have quite a number of different training tools that I use. Tak knives, Edges2 trainers, Bill Bednaricks aluminum trainers, Kris Cutlery's Bolo's, punals, garottes and more, Ax handles, Hickory Short swords, etc. The more you can work with different tools the better off you will be. Hard to beat an Ax handle for price though. That is a good suggestion Tim! :bow:

Brian R. VanCise
www.instinctiveresponsetraining.com

[ds14]

Agreed, I'll train with whatever I can get my hands on, and all those sites have great stuff. Axe handle idea might be almost as fun to make as it is to use, haha.

Dan Smith

[lhommedieu]

Axe handles are great for developing a edge sensitivity. If you can, try to get a smaller handle for a 1.5 - 2 lb. axe. Stripping off any varnish and sanding it smooth will also save your hands a little. Finally, don't forget that any hardwood, even hickory, will splinter if hit hard enough on a hard surface. With the axe handle however you probably won't be hitting wood to wood but practicing "cuts" in the air.

Best,

Steve Lamade

[Tim Kashino]

Finally, don't forget that any hardwood, even hickory, will splinter if hit hard enough on a hard surface. With the axe handle however **you probably won't be hitting wood to wood but practicing "cuts" in the air.**
Best,

Steve Lamade

** or on flesh.

[lhommedieu]

** or on flesh.

You're an evil man.

[Tim Kashino]

You're an evil man.

Evil? Me? Well maybe, but only 66% evil. The internet told me so in one of those silly one line tests. Just for the record, I did not torture small animals in my childhood.

Seriously, I'm just keeping it real. If you're going to use a blade simulator, you have to practice cutting at bona fide targets. "Cutting" the air, a heavy bag or a tire just isn't the same.


Tim

[lhommedieu]

Seriously, I'm just keeping it real. If you're going to use a blade simulator, you have to practice cutting at bona fide targets. "Cutting" the air, a heavy bag or a tire just isn't the same.
Tim

Agreed. And while the ability to generate power with a stick is a useful attribute, cutting with a sword requires a different set of skills, such as edge awareness and a body mechanic that's tailored by that awareness.

As a friend of mine who's skilled in Kenjutsu once told me: "Don't thing of it as a "sword" - think of it as a three and a half foot razor."

Best,

Steve

[DragonMind]

Evil? Me? Well maybe, but only 66% evil. The internet told me so in one of those silly one line tests. Just for the record, I did not torture small animals in my childhood.

Seriously, I'm just keeping it real. If you're going to use a blade simulator, you have to practice cutting at bona fide targets. "Cutting" the air, a heavy bag or a tire just isn't the same.


Tim
I thought that was 66.6% evil... :eek:

[kroh]

** or on flesh.

Hey there...What kind of "Flesh" do you practice cutting? I also practice iaido / battodo and we get to practice on those cute rolled up matts. :bandit: I know there are some out there that have shown videos of going through a hanging chicken with a bolo...is that the kind of thing you are talking about?

By the way...hanging chicken as in it was already dead and dressed, and not something flailing around watching a whacko getting ready to end its days.

Regards,
Walt

[Tim Kashino]

Hey there...What kind of "Flesh" do you practice cutting? I also practice iaido / battodo and we get to practice on those cute rolled up matts. :bandit: I know there are some out there that have shown videos of going through a hanging chicken with a bolo...is that the kind of thing you are talking about?

By the way...hanging chicken as in it was already dead and dressed, and not something flailing around watching a whacko getting ready to end its days.

Regards,
Walt

Uh, no. The sort of cutting I was referring to is cutting is "cutting" at an opponent with a training blade as opposed to training solo and "cutting" the air. This develops edge awareness and refines timing and accuracy.

I've done the sort of cutting you're thinking of on pig carcasses, which is much closer to cutting a human body than cutting a chicken. I've also done focus cutting on water bottles (hanging and standing) and full soda cans (un-opened/sealed).

[Tim Kashino]

I thought that was 66.6% evil... :eek:

It was just a a flat 66 percent, Barry. Does that make me the diet Coke of evil?

[Tim Kashino]

As a friend of mine who's skilled in Kenjutsu once told me: "Don't think of it as a "sword" - think of it as a three and a half foot razor."

Best,

Steve


I really like that.

Steve, would you be kind enough to point me to the website where I can order that EyD DVD?

[kroh]

Uh, no. The sort of cutting I was referring to is cutting is "cutting" at an opponent with a training blade as opposed to training solo and "cutting" the air. This develops edge awareness and refines timing and accuracy.

I've done the sort of cutting you're thinking of on pig carcasses, which is much closer to cutting a human body than cutting a chicken. I've also done focus cutting on water bottles (hanging and standing) and full soda cans (un-opened/sealed).


Haven't tried the water bottle thing yet...going to have to give it a go...
Regards,
Walt

[lhommedieu]

I really like that.

Steve, would you be kind enough to point me to the website where I can order that EyD DVD?

Sure - no problem:

http://northshoreac.com/san_miguel_eskrima/training_resources.htm

The first thumbnail shows Wes and me working out with some training swords; the third one shows me getting careless and getting wacked on the hand with a stick. Pain's a great teacher.

Best,

Steve