View Full Version : Military Debuts New Weapon System...
SteyrAUG
08-04-2006, 19:43
http://nullbits.foxxz.net/albums/Icons/New_Claymore.sized.jpg
Jeff Burger
08-04-2006, 22:05
I cant read the writting on the note taped to the gun.
I think it says "point toward enemy."
SteyrAUG
08-04-2006, 22:55
I cant read the writting on the note taped to the gun.
Front Towards Enemy.
Do you guys not know the running Glock "Kaboom" jokes?
Jeff Burger
08-08-2006, 10:48
Do you guys not know the running Glock "Kaboom" jokes?
Nope (10 characters)
SteyrAUG
08-08-2006, 12:14
Glocks in large calibers (.40, 10mm, etc.) have a nasty habit due to their unsupported chambers.
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/4508/g30kb93lc.jpg
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/1358/glock21kb9af.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/104/g36kb1a8en.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5356/glockkaboomphoto0082us.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1715/kb13ol.jpg
I was really scratching my head over this one.
I guess I just don't like guns enough to actually find it funny, but at least I 'get it' now.
Chokushin
08-08-2006, 12:31
The incidents I have first hand knowledge of all involved reloads and/or repeated use of lead projectiles with out cleaning. Were either of those factors involved in the the pictured incidents?? I have 2 Glocks a 17 and a 19 in 9mm and to date have experienced no problems with them what-so-ever. I also have a Browning and Custom 1911 which I also enjoy very much.
I know you mentioned problems in the larger calibres i.e. .40 and 10mm, have you heard of similar problems in their .45s? I'm personally not a big fan of .40 or 10mm preferring obiviously 9mm or .45 or .357 magnum, but hey to each there own! Thanks for the info and pics!! I look forward to your responses!
Jeff Burger
08-08-2006, 14:07
Damn thats got to suck. As if it wasnt bad enough to be in a sitrutation to need a gun inself destructs upon use.
AllanJGAnderson
08-08-2006, 15:37
Damn thats got to suck. As if it wasnt bad enough to be in a sitrutation to need a gun inself destructs upon use.
Stay back, or I'll blow your head/my hand off!
SteyrAUG
08-08-2006, 15:48
The incidents I have first hand knowledge of all involved reloads and/or repeated use of lead projectiles with out cleaning. Were either of those factors involved in the the pictured incidents?? I have 2 Glocks a 17 and a 19 in 9mm and to date have experienced no problems with them what-so-ever. I also have a Browning and Custom 1911 which I also enjoy very much.
I know you mentioned problems in the larger calibres i.e. .40 and 10mm, have you heard of similar problems in their .45s? I'm personally not a big fan of .40 or 10mm preferring obiviously 9mm or .45 or .357 magnum, but hey to each there own! Thanks for the info and pics!! I look forward to your responses!
That is of course the "usual culprit" but Kabooms in Glock .40s are more common under normal circumstances where factory ammo is used. These incidents are usually documented through LE use.
That said I own a 19 and 17. the Glock was designed for 9mm and unsupported chamgers are no problem with that round.
And it should be noted there are thousands of Glocks in .40, .45, etc. that haven't Kaboomed. So it isn't like it always happens.
But while we are at it...
http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/7499/p10030090ng.jpg
Cliff Hargrave
08-08-2006, 15:56
First I have heard of it.
Gene Williams
08-08-2006, 16:12
That is of course the "usual culprit" but Kabooms in Glock .40s are more common under normal circumstances where factory ammo is used. These incidents are usually documented through LE use.
That said I own a 19 and 17. the Glock was designed for 9mm and unsupported chamgers are no problem with that round.
And it should be noted there are thousands of Glocks in .40, .45, etc. that haven't Kaboomed. So it isn't like it always happens.
But while we are at it...
http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/7499/p10030090ng.jpg
Now, that pic is funny...:D I knew there was a reason I have stayed with my 1911A's over the years. Unquestionably, all things considered, the most reliable combat semi-auto ever produced. Plus, I always thought Glocks were ugly. I have never fired one, however. I do also have a Beretta 92S, and a Ruger P-90. The P-90 is stainless, so I leave it in the truck. My carry weapon is either a Springfield Armory 1911A or a Colt DSII with Plus P's. I like to keep it simple (and safe...kaboom!!:D )
SteyrAUG
08-08-2006, 17:50
First I have heard of it.
Really?
There is a lot of documentation of failures by Glock .40s by some agency. I think it was in the northeast. Been a couple years.
Cliff Hargrave
08-08-2006, 19:26
Really?
There is a lot of documentation of failures by Glock .40s by some agency. I think it was in the northeast. Been a couple years.
I guess I missed the news. I have seen some other guns blow apart like that over the years. All with hand loads. It used to be pretty common when all the LEOs carried revolvers. I have seen a few top straps peeled back. One friend of mine blew up a S&W 9mm with handloads.
I was really scratching my head over this one.
I guess I just don't like guns enough to actually find it funny, but at least I 'get it' now.
It's funny. Trust me.
I have never fired one, however. I do also have a Beretta 92S, and a Ruger P-90. The P-90 is stainless, so I leave it in the truck. My carry weapon is either a Springfield Armory 1911A or a Colt DSII with Plus P's. I like to keep it simple (and safe...kaboom!!:D )
Now I really miss my Browning High Power. (sigh).
<start "doggy-voice">
There she is...how's my girl! Did you miss Daddy? Ohhh...you poor thing. You need 500 rounds cycled through and a nice cleaning...don't you...there's a good girl...awwww....
<end "doggy-voice">
Note: this is a Belgian copy. I don't have pictures of mine. Very sad...
Gordon Nore
08-08-2006, 20:31
...I have seen a few top straps peeled back. One friend of mine blew up a S&W 9mm with handloads.
straps?
handloads?
Gene Williams
08-08-2006, 20:47
straps?
handloads?
Straps hold the pistol's bra up. Handloads...well...:D
Cliff Hargrave
08-08-2006, 20:51
straps?
handloads?
Sorry Gordon, secret club terms, you have to be a member :)
topstrap - the piece of the frame above the cylinder on a revolver
handloads - ammo assembled by someone at home, can be reloads or assembled from new parts. Reloads are ammunition assembled from already fired cases.
Chunmonchek
08-09-2006, 00:33
Really?
There is a lot of documentation of failures by Glock .40s by some agency. I think it was in the northeast. Been a couple years.
This is the first I've heard, but then again, I am not LEO.
Now I've got to look into this. I have an early Glock 22, so early it has a 2 digit serial no.
Do you know if this was with law enforcement side-arms only, and if so, did they have cut rifle barrels?
Chris
David Craik
08-09-2006, 08:47
Well, whadduya expect from a gun made from melted-down Hefty bags? :D
* runs for cover *
Mr. Meadows, please resize images before posting if they are so big that they will alter the width of the thread. Or, simply provide a link to the picture.
Musubi Dojo
08-09-2006, 08:57
Well, whadduya expect from a gun made from melted-down Hefty bags? :D
* runs for cover *
Mr. Meadows, please resize images before posting if they are so big that they will alter the width of the thread. Or, simply provide a link to the picture.
The company I used to work for mixed the polymer for the glocks.
It was a top notch product all the way.
My coworks NEVER fell asleep on shift or smoked dope on the roof leaving their lines unattended....
Maybe that's why they're out of business now....
Gene Williams
08-09-2006, 09:04
Well, whadduya expect from a gun made from melted-down Hefty bags? :D
* runs for cover *
Mr. Meadows, please resize images before posting if they are so big that they will alter the width of the thread. Or, simply provide a link to the picture.
Hell, when my son was 6 I bought him one to play with in the yard. I thought it was a toy.:laugh:
I have heard of the Glock Kaboom. Google it and you will find a lot of web pages related to them. There is a picture of a Glock Kaboom that happened in a range I used to shoot at. That happened with a particular inexpensive ammunition, which has caused kabooms in other non Glock guns also - so that range has completely outlawed the use of that ammunition in it. DOn't know that we can blame that one on the Glock.
Often cited as helping to cause the issue is the use of non-jacketed lead projectiles in the polygonal rifled Glock barrels. This has spawned an aftermarket of conventional spiral rifled barrels as replacements for people who wish to shoot cast bullets.
I've not yet actually seen a scientific study on this issue (polygonal versus conventional rifling with cast bullets) but it is an interesting topic.
http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock-kb-faq.html
Edited to add link above.
I vaguely remember something to the affect.
I also rmember a bad batch of Federal Hydra-Shok in .40 S&W that were blowing extractors out the guns.
I was a victim of one. The damn thing blew up in my face and it was a Sig.
Gene Williams
08-09-2006, 09:30
I vaguely remember something to the affect.
I also rmember a bad batch of Federal Hydra-Shok in .40 S&W that were blowing extractors out the guns.
I was a victim of one. The damn thing blew up in my face and it was a Sig.
That kind of thing could mess up your whole afternoon...
SteyrAUG
08-09-2006, 12:00
Well, whadduya expect from a gun made from melted-down Hefty bags? :D
* runs for cover *
Mr. Meadows, please resize images before posting if they are so big that they will alter the width of the thread. Or, simply provide a link to the picture.
Oh man that is funny.
Seriously though for the Glock is extremely reliable in 9mm which is what it was designed for.
SteyrAUG
08-09-2006, 12:01
I vaguely remember something to the affect.
I also rmember a bad batch of Federal Hydra-Shok in .40 S&W that were blowing extractors out the guns.
I was a victim of one. The damn thing blew up in my face and it was a Sig.
That is not good. I don't know what it is about the .40 but I haven't bought one yet.
Being new to martial arts I can't brag about how my art/sesei/dojo/etc. is better (not that I would anyway). I can tough talk about the mechanical work of art that is John Browning's 1911. Best thing since sliced bread and been around almost as long. I carry a Para Ordinance P14. All the cool, twice the bang. All of the problems I have ever heard about the Para have been magazine or extractor related. Bith easy to fix.
Glocks in large calibers (.40, 10mm, etc.) have a nasty habit due to their unsupported chambers.
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/4508/g30kb93lc.jpg
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/1358/glock21kb9af.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/104/g36kb1a8en.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5356/glockkaboomphoto0082us.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1715/kb13ol.jpg
Richard, do you have any online or print journal article references for this problem? I ain't doubting you, but I have a friend who is looking into buying a Glock in .40 cal and I would like to point him to the original source.
SteyrAUG
08-29-2006, 19:46
Richard, do you have any online or print journal article references for this problem? I ain't doubting you, but I have a friend who is looking into buying a Glock in .40 cal and I would like to point him to the original source.
It was a LE publication from years ago. I think it might have been a NJ department that issued Glock .40s and had a lot of problems.
KnghtAzrael
08-30-2006, 09:58
We carried Glock 17s at one job I worked and I absolutly love the glock semi autos. My real preference however is revolvers. My favorite personal firearm is a S&W 686 combat magnum .357. However if I want a semi auto Glock would be my choice, I've never heard of this kind of problem and they are extremly reliable.
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