A Snake fist teaching if you want it

[Kung Fu teacher]

Hello all, i just wanted to talk a bit about the snake fist style Kung Fu. I have found that in combat this style is the fastes and most effective style I have ever learned. I had opportunity to test this style with some boxers recently, they came in fast with their combinations, but the smooth easy shifting of the snake fist was able to counter every attack. I have worked out a few defense and attack movements from my practice of this style and they work very good so far every time I have used them. the snake fost is so subtle that the movements can shift in a seemless flow.

here is one techniue you should try. Stand in a right leading stance to your opponenets left leading guard, or swich stances if he is in a right leading guard. But from the right stance put your right hand up in a snake fist pose about yourchin level, and your left hand in a snake fist pose at your right elbow. Now you want him to strike at your head first, or higher up, you can make him hit you there if you open your right guard a bit, shift your right hand to the right slightly and lean to theright slightly. Now when he throws a left strike at you circle your right hand over top f it in a half circle movement, quickly, then follow through with the ame hand and circle back to your starting position and as he punches with the second strike, ( his right hand at your face or chest circle over again with the exact same move you just did again, then he will stirke to your right side of your head with a left hook, use your same right hand and pull back into a hight snake fist, p[ulling bakc slightly with your right hand, then wait for his lower uppoer cut of right hand strike to your lower section and shoot the same right habd down to block then shoot both fist towards him, the top fist atacking the eyes, the bottom attacking the throat. You do four blocks, ( or you can attack after every block to the eyes or throat), then you attack. I have found this defence so far inpenterable. I don't say that lightly, I developed this form movement from studying boxers in action, they have very quick jabs and counters, and the blocking with your right snake fist, (or left depending on opponents stance) is so far very useful.
Make sure that when you do the first two quick circular blocks you are keeping the fingers towards the oppionets eyes. It is like you are tapping over top of both punches fast then up and down then attack foreward. Your stance is like a bow stance but broken at the back. When you do the last low block come back into a cat stance then foreward into a bow stanec. Try it and see if it works for you. But be careful and pull your strikes. I don't think I need to say how dangerous any strike to the eyes or throat can be.

Anyway perhaps later I can share with you the most powerful and useful tiger technique I have learned also. The tiger technique is an attacking movement, and it is powerful and so far unavoidable if done right. There is counters to these, but you have to be ready for it.

[Yang Wei Xin]

Where did you learn snake style from?

That's a pretty rare system.

[Yang Wei Xin]

Oh yeah, I gotta bag full of seed for you too.

[sean_stonehart]

So AGAIN... I ask... what hand do you play? A straight up, concrete answer is appreciated...

[doubleouch]

You should try this against a boxer. I don't think it would work. Your stance work would get you knocked out.

[Yang Wei Xin]

This is the kung fu styles page from the teacher he touts continuosly, apparently Sean, his teacher has mastered both of our stystems as well as about a dozen others. Perhaps thats why he cant tell you which one he plays, he's not real sure himself.

Of course the site also says that you need only learn one beginner, one intermediate, and one advanced set to become a teacher of each of these systems. Sounds like modern Shaolin horsepuckey to me.

http://www.chungwahkungfu.com/martialarts-styles.php

[wab25]

I would suggest keeping the left hand up higher. I believe that when a right handed boxer fights a lefty, they like to jab first to tie up the lefties right hand, then fire a right cross, right down the pipe. If your left hand is not up, you will eat a very hard, straight right cross, that you never saw coming. Lefty boxers usually do really well for a while, because the righties are not used to seeing the opposite stance. But once a rightie, learns where the lefties pipe is, they eat them for breakfast. The fact that you are trying to leave your left hand down, while circle blocking with the right, means the pipe to your chin is wide open, and you won't even see the punch coming.

[Jeff C.]

Josh, can't you lure him over to the other board and let Gene, Ed, and RR chat with him? You know they are desperate to have a kung fu guy posting over there. I think he may find a more receptive audience with them. After all, their Okinawan and Japanese arts are only a poor, watered-down version of what Bruce studies. ;)

Jeff Cook

[Yang Wei Xin]

He'd be instantly dog pounded.:bandit:

Right next to you.:t2:

I got no issues with you personally tho Jeff, always came across as a straight shooter to me, even when we've had our disagreements. :toast:

[Jeff C.]

Thanks Josh. I disagree with many of my friends at times. That's not a party-stopper. ;)

I have nothing to hide; never have. I get along with Gene most of the time. I used to get along with RR; he's known my history for years. Something has turned funny in his head, I think.

At any rate, I think Bruce would benefit by some close bonding with the fellas over there! ;)

Jeff Cook

[Vagabond]

I might be mistaken but fighting against say me, a beginning boxer, would having open hand and rigid finger be rather risky with a guy who is known for speed and power?

I might be mistaken again but styles don't make you faster..... you make you faster. I mean Bruce Lee woulsn't be fast at Wing Chun then slow at bocing, or would he?

[Musubi Dojo]

I might be mistaken but fighting against say me, a beginning boxer, would having open hand and rigid finger be rather risky with a guy who is known for speed and power?

I might be mistaken again but styles don't make you faster..... you make you faster. I mean Bruce Lee woulsn't be fast at Wing Chun then slow at bocing, or would he?

The guy is a delusional knob and he's banned now. Don't take anything he said seriously (kung fu preacher, not you)

[Enyu]

I don't usually like to attack others, but yeah, he did talk too much, especially in this preaching tone. I have nothing against the way he trains, but that constant posting about how good his kung fu was was getting kind of annoying.

[Dennis Monk]

So AGAIN... I ask... what hand do you play? A straight up, concrete answer is appreciated...
Ok Sean, he never answered you "what hand he plays".
I, being the uniformed one that I can admit to now asks, what does it mean? :)

[Yang Wei Xin]

Its a way of asking what style of kung fu he uses.

I use mantis

Sean uses Choy Li Fut

In between injuries you use whatever cliff shows you.

Its a really simple question that this guy should have answered right off. Since he was posting regarding tiger and snake, and whatever other mishmash he could come up with, Sean was trying to ascertain the name of the system he studied.

Many times a kung fu master will ask, "How long have you been playing", its just another word for practicing or studying the martial arts. If someone did a really nice kung fu form, you would tell them that they "played" it well.

[Dennis Monk]

That seems to have been a quite simple answer for him (kung fu teacher) to have made.
Oh well...

[Bugeisha]

It should've been Dennis, it really should have.

[Yang Wei Xin]

I might be mistaken but fighting against say me, a beginning boxer, would having open hand and rigid finger be rather risky with a guy who is known for speed and power?

I might be mistaken again but styles don't make you faster..... you make you faster. I mean Bruce Lee woulsn't be fast at Wing Chun then slow at bocing, or would he?

Since no one else got to you, I will.

I wasn't sure what your beginning question meant, are you asking about using open hand techniques against a boxer.

The second one, you are right, and wrong at the same time. reverse the situation. Imagine you have a boxer with hands as fast as a really good wing chun practitioner, now put him in a wing chun class, will he be able to perform as well at wing chun as the wing chun practitioner? No, because he does not have the movement pattern ingrained in his head like the wing chun guy. As far as bruce, he would probably still be a fast boxer, but then he studied more than just wing chun.

[Vagabond]

I think using open hand techniques can be very risky, and would not tell someone with little or no MA experience to use it for the first move, at least an open hand strike.

I was trying to say that, taking Snake will not make you faster. You will make yourself faster. It is not a game where snake style is +10 to speed. Yes techniques are different but I will not use my style of kung fu when I get jumped. I will not ofrget its lessons but I am sorry they guys that are jumping me would probably want to beat my @$$ more if I went into a drunken style much less a snake stance.

Just my opinion no direspect.

[Yang Wei Xin]

I think using open hand techniques can be very risky, and would not tell someone with little or no MA experience to use it for the first move, at least an open hand strike.
I wouldn't advise a person with little or no ma experience to do any type of fighting.


I was trying to say that, taking Snake will not make you faster. You will make yourself faster. It is not a game where snake style is +10 to speed. Yes techniques are different but I will not use my style of kung fu when I get jumped. I will not ofrget its lessons but I am sorry they guys that are jumping me would probably want to beat my @$$ more if I went into a drunken style much less a snake stance.

Just my opinion no direspect.
I've never heard of a snake stance btw, whats it look like?
I will be using my kung fu if I get jumped. Use my left to hook your arm with a mantis hook, my right to clench your throat with a dragon claw, then my right foot steps around to slam you using a hill climbing stance, then I drop the knee into a praying mantis stance and break your arm over my knee.:bow:

[Musubi Dojo]

I think using open hand techniques can be very risky, and would not tell someone with little or no MA experience to use it for the first move, at least an open hand strike.


Actually using punches without training and conditioning is good way to break your hands. It's called a boxer's fracture and it happens because your hands aren't wrapped and inside a padded glove.

Palms strikes, knife hands, forearms and elbows are much safer for someone with little training.

Cheers
c

[Enyu]

I wouldn't advise a person with little or no ma experience to do any type of fighting.


Actually, some of the most dangerous people are those who have no training. I would be much more afraid of a drugged, scarred, crazed and pissed off gang leader than a 1st dan black belt.

[Vagabond]

I honestly do not know what snake stance looks like, unless what I have seen in Kung Fu movies is real. I suppose mantis is more of a balanced stance than mine. I am justn ot comfortable with my style yet.

[slikbdatfool]

snake Fist Se Chuan stances are very low to the ground. Horse stance semi horse stance.

[Jeff C.]

Snakes don't have fists or feet, making punches and stances somewhat problematic. Where is the animal comparison?

Jeff Cook

[sean_stonehart]

Jeff I can't speak to other styles but Snake in Choy Li Fut represents (among other things) coiling, yielding, redirecting, spiraling, etc... with incoming attacks or when making attacks plus adding an emphasis in using internal mechanics to strike as opposed to external brute force.

An example (FOR EXAMPLE PURPOSES ONLY PEOPLE... UNBUNCH PANTIES PRIOR TO READING & DON'T USE THE "NUH-HUH" AD-HOMINEM ATTACKS) ... Let's say Bubba tosses a straight shot & hangs it out for whatever reason before trying to follow it or pull it back. A snake-ish response might be to instead of blasting the arm out of the way, ride the back in as it's withdrawn & striking on the way in, using more of his energy to help deliver the shot to him so my striking energy is used for striking, not getting it there & striking. Or with the same scenario, riding his arm in as above, but trying to circle the arm from the top to the bottom past the elbow to wind up with an arm lock as his elbow bends.

[Yang Wei Xin]

snake Fist Se Chuan stances are very low to the ground. Horse stance semi horse stance.

The styles stances may be low, but do they have a stance that is actually referred to as a "snake stance"?

FWIW-a praying mantis stance is referred to as other things in most styles, typically a kneeling stance or circle entering stance. Ling Bu.

[Jeff C.]

Thanks, guys.

Jeff Cook

[JimBoone]

My old sifu also does Swimming Dragon form, and I'm like, how do you know what a swimming dragon does?? Of course, even more worrying is how often Ta Chi players repel monkeys ;-) I like Chinese arts for the flamboyance in their naming of stuff, plus they base arts on observing animals, which is at least as fair as blaming their inspiration on mountain goblins :laugh:

[slikbdatfool]

Im no expert so im not sure if there is a stance labeled "snake stance" and the correlation and similarity between Snake Fist and a real snake well, " the hand are the head and the feet and legs the tail" is an easy way to explain it.

[sean_stonehart]

My old sifu also does Swimming Dragon form, and I'm like, how do you know what a swimming dragon does?? Of course, even more worrying is how often Ta Chi players repel monkeys ;-) I like Chinese arts for the flamboyance in their naming of stuff, plus they base arts on observing animals, which is at least as fair as blaming their inspiration on mountain goblins :laugh:

Gotta remember many Chinese until recently were functionally illiterate. The flamboyance of the name made remembering techniques easy because they're sing-song in a fashion. Also many Chinese who were very literate wrote everything down, but in a day & age where writing your best stuff down & having it fall into the "bad guys" hands could be disasterous, found hiding it in plain site with the "Rosetta Stone" for the written techniques in their head or with other students/family members kept it operationally safe.

Kinda like "Onikudaki", huh?

[Vagabond]

LOL look what I have done, now we all want to know what snake stance looks like. Yang Wei Xin, do you agree with me on the fact that snake stance is not a style that will make you faster just because, but that it is actual;ly the drills you undergo to make you fast?