Which Budo/Bujutsu Arts Will You Recommend?

[RobNyc]

Which Japanese Martial Arts would you recommend?
And why?

[RobNyc]

My interest are into learning:

Unarmed Fighting Methods
Grappling Methods
Joint Locking + Locking Methods
Vital Points (Areas) attacking methods
Weapons also if it's available.*
Health Conditioning/Toning & Conditioning
Meditation, Sensitivity, & Awareness Training

Which of these arts will teach this or if i I didn't mention them here can you please post here which one?

[Kyuusaku]

Shinshintoitsu Aikido (Ki no Kenkyuukai, i.e. Ki Society) offers unarmed fighting methods, joint-locking & locking methods, weapons (jo, ken), and meditation/sensitivity/awareness training. The attacking of vital points is also taught, but how much they teach depends on the dojo. It is also good for the health, but you won't look like a bodybuilder by practicing it. Grappling methods are also included, but these are mostly takedowns and pins, not the kind of grappling they do in Brazilian Jujutsu. If we label all your requirements from A to G, then we might get a list like:

Shinshintoitsu Aikido: A(B)C(D)E(F)G
Honbu Aikido: A(B)C(D)(F)(G)
Shotokan Karate: A(F)
Kodokan Judo: AB(C)(F)

...and so on. Sometimes there are more of these items included at higher levels (2nd Dan and up).

If you don't mind taking non-Japanese arts, some Chinese arts might have more of what you are looking for. For example:

Chen shi Taijiquan: A(B)C(D)E(F)G

Hm, it gets the same grade as Shinshintoitsu Aikido. The differences would be that in Chen shi Taiji there are more striking techniques, more weapons, more health conditioning, and probably more meditation/sensitivity/awareness training.

Anyway, good luck!

[RobNyc]

Originally posted by Kyuusaku
Shinshintoitsu Aikido (Ki no Kenkyuukai, i.e. Ki Society) offers unarmed fighting methods, joint-locking & locking methods, weapons (jo, ken), and meditation/sensitivity/awareness training. The attacking of vital points is also taught, but how much they teach depends on the dojo. It is also good for the health, but you won't look like a bodybuilder by practicing it. Grappling methods are also included, but these are mostly takedowns and pins, not the kind of grappling they do in Brazilian Jujutsu. If we label all your requirements from A to G, then we might get a list like:

Shinshintoitsu Aikido: A(B)C(D)E(F)G
Honbu Aikido: A(B)C(D)(F)(G)
Shotokan Karate: A(F)
Kodokan Judo: AB(C)(F)

...and so on. Sometimes there are more of these items included at higher levels (2nd Dan and up).

If you don't mind taking non-Japanese arts, some Chinese arts might have more of what you are looking for. For example:

Chen shi Taijiquan: A(B)C(D)E(F)G

Hm, it gets the same grade as Shinshintoitsu Aikido. The differences would be that in Chen shi Taiji there are more striking techniques, more weapons, more health conditioning, and probably more meditation/sensitivity/awareness training.

Anyway, good luck!


Thanks!! You Are The Best!!! :D

Yea, i don't mind taking non-japanese styles. I'm gonna post the link of the Chinese Thread I have going on.

Thanks for coming by, you were the first one with good help.

[RobNyc]

Click Here (http://www.budoseek.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1855)

or

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[Lawrence]

Hi there,

I would recomend looking into something like Daito ryu, it could be considered to be koryu bujutsu, but that is still open to debate, nevertheless, a good instructor of Daito ryu would teach you all of what you are talking about, as well as other weapons (such as naginata, kodachi, bo) and with a good dose of historical stuff it is a very complete art.

As this is somewhat difficult to find in most places, I would also look into arts such as the Bujinkan or Genbukan, they are basically the same thing, budo taijutsu, but with different heads and slight differences in technical application, oh, and different historical theories from what are essentially the same backgrounds. But anyway, although very modern and a world of sceptics with refard the authenticity of sokeship over either of these schools, these arts do produce some of the most exceptional Martial artists, for both their technical ability, their diverse practice and their wide variety of weapons they cover.

Anyway, good luck hunting...

Take care,

Lawrence.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally posted by RobNyc
My interest are into learning:

Unarmed Fighting Methods
Grappling Methods
Joint Locking + Locking Methods
Vital Points (Areas) attacking methods
Weapons also if it's available.*
Health Conditioning/Toning & Conditioning
Meditation, Sensitivity, & Awareness Training

Which of these arts will teach this or if i I didn't mention them here can you please post here which one?
Easy, Shorinji Kempo includes all of the above and is, I believe, the only art to do so. Goho is punching, kicking, and blocking. Juho is grappling, locking, and throwing. Seiho is body conditioning, ancient medical practice. This can be divided into two parts: Appo, which uses pressure points to disable or knock out an opponent, and kappo, which is like shiatsu or acupressure. Chinkon and howa comprise meditation and philosophy, to train the mind as well as the body. (The essence of Shorinji Kempo is defined as "Sound mind, healthy body, self defence".) Weapons, although not taught until later, include Bo, Shakujo, and Dokko.
Being in NYC, I suggest you check out the NYC homepage, (http://nyshorinji.org/) and then make an informed decision.
HTH,

[Ishinguy]

Karate , basically because it is what I train in and as for styles, I don't really think it matters that much as long as you have a good Sensei, although I would lean towards the harder styles.

[OzeShiN]

Hi all...new to these boards.:D
This topic was always going to be a personal taste topic.
Most of the people posting have selected their chosen styles as their suggested choice.
In itself that's to be expected...my choice would be Yamaguchi Goju-kai after training in it for more than 32 years.
The topic of "BEST ALLROUND STYLE" crops up at all boards from time to time.
Shorinji Kempo IS a personal fave of mine and a fine suggestion.
Anothe good suggestion would be Kyoshi Yamazaki's Ryubo kai because,after all,you HAVE posted this topic under the best Japanese style and they don't get much more japanese than the Ryubo-kai or Shorinji-ryu kempo for that matter.
Ryubo-kai has a large and well constructed weapon syllabus ranging from okinawan weaponry to Japanese weapons.
Anyways...that was my dime....
Osu.

[Ron Rompen]

Recommend for what reason?

Self defense?
Weight loss?
Cardio?
Fun?
Tournaments and medals?


I love karate (Japanese Goju Ryu specifically) but if I wanted something strictly for self defense, I would probably go for something like Filipono knife fighting, or if I wasn't too concerned about legality, a membership at a shooting range and a good pistol.

[2fisted]

I've really enjoyed my training in Okinawan Goju-ryu Karate. This would probably fit your bill, just make sure that it is taught traditionally. ;)

[kage110]

All of the above!:D

Everyone will get different things out of each of the arts so what will be good for one will be no good for another. Personally I enjoy the Bujinkan arts though they don't generally actively teach meditation or physical conditioning (but that training is there if you know where to look).

You could also try Systema!:p

[roninja]

Some Samurai, probly a famous one, said to be a jack of all trades. be open to all ideas and concepts that are offered from any martial art.

[Douglas]

I studied (for a while) Danzan-ryu jujitsu. IMHO it's the most well-rounded, fun, useful, easy-to-learn system of self-defense ever devised.
I had the honor of training under Shihan Sig Kufferath back in the day, what a great guy... :)

[Andrew Green]

None of the above.

I might recommend an instructor, but not a style unless the person was looking for something specific, in which case they already know what they are looking for.

[mymerrytale]

my experience with other students of kyokushin, from many various dojos from different parts of the world, tells me that the training is fairly consistent... and fairly tough. i personally have less than a years' worth of experience with training in this style... but i have come across fighters from kyokushin repeatedly before, and it seems that this style has much of what you are looking for. they tend to teach the grappling techniques a bit further down the line, though, than the other things you asked about. if you dont mind training VERY hard, id say try this one out. hope it helps : )
--roman palitsky

[ppko]

In order for me to pick an art it would have to combine all ranges of combat.

Joe Morris

[Ewok85]

Pulled up from the deep dark dead eh?

People will naturally be biased towards what they do. Try a bit of everything, see what you like.

[miz_sammi_girl]

i would recommend jujutsu! I realy enjoy jujutsu because of the great variety. Kicks, punches, grappling, throwing, locks, pressure points, ect.

[Luar]

i would recommend jujutsu! I realy enjoy jujutsu because of the great variety. Kicks, punches, grappling, throwing, locks, pressure points, ect.

Damn this is one old thread and I remember emailing this guy back and forth. In the long run, he did not have any money and wanted to clean the dojo in return for free classes.

[sim3012]

I would recommend Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu because it is a full martial art that teaches you everything (strikes, take downs, grappling, joint locks, throws, bone breaking, pressure points, multiple weapons, etc.)

[Iron Dove]

daito ryu aiki jutsu, its well rounded

[sim3012]

daito ryu aiki jutsu, its well rounded

Before I started BBT I looked into Aiki Jutsu, but there were no dojo's near me. It looked interesting.

[lhg9105]

Just started nihon jujutsu a couple of months ago, it has really been a great addition to the other styles I have studied over the years.

[Alex Dale]

Find an art that's in your area. All koryu arts have their own unique qualities that will give you something another won't, so you'd be lucky to have any koryu in your area. Take whacha got, IMHO.


Regards,

[scruffysmileyface]

Well I think it really depends on what you're looking for out of the MA. If you're looking for a good workout, you might want something different than if you were looking for a simpler type of self-defense system.

I recommend Aikido because I find that this is what works for me. I didn't really choose Aikido, it kinda chose me - it's just a better fit for who I am than, say, Karate. I'm looking for ki and coordination development as well as some appliable self defense. I've been in Tomiki Ryu Aikido for about a month now (I know, I'm about as cherry as a mudansha can get).

I also recommend "other" as I don't see Iaido (MSR) on the list, unless one counts it as a koryu. I believe it is, but there are those who for some reason disagree. Also, some will say that Iaido is not a martial art at all, as there is no real combative application in the 21st century. Of course I disagree, but that's another post.

Iaido teaches coordination, patience and attention to detail. It also fits well with Aikido and the principles of basic Zen training, should one be into that sort of thing, as I am.

Our dojo teaches a considerable number of Judo/Jujitsu techniques along with the Aikido, and Kano is on the shinza along with Ueshiba and Tomiki.

If asked (and I have been, already), I would recommend that the prospective student check out a few styles first, and decide what best fits him or her. Once that decision is made, I would recommend a few dojo visits, to help decide which school and which teacher is the best fit.

And there ya have it, folks - scruff's two cents.

[ninjandrew]

I would recommend jojutsu among others. Many people train iaido or kendo, for sword skill. Having the ability to use the jo; which exists for the purpose of defeating the sword, would be nice.

[gr455h0pp3r]

Wing Chun for practical self defense.

As for Budo I would reccommend Judo,Aikido,Kendo,Jodo for a newbie.

[Peter Rehse]

If asked (and I have been, already), I would recommend that the prospective student check out a few styles first, and decide what best fits him or her. Once that decision is made, I would recommend a few dojo visits, to help decide which school and which teacher is the best fit.
Words to live by. Don't try to hard to fit yourself to perceptions of an art gleamed from the internet. Decide roughly (punch/kick, grappling, sharp pointy things) what you are after and explore a little.

I do Aikido but spent years looking for the right teacher. Meanwhile I did a whole mess of other things (not Aikido) and did not waste my time. In my opinion it is far better to find a half decent teacher in something that is not quite what you are looking for than a poor teacher (and I am not talking about rank) in something you are.

Judo is a great introduction to Budo.

[Chrono]

Shinshintoitsu Aikido (Ki no Kenkyuukai, i.e. Ki Society) offers unarmed fighting methods, joint-locking & locking methods, weapons (jo, ken), and meditation/sensitivity/awareness training. The attacking of vital points is also taught, but how much they teach depends on the dojo. It is also good for the health, but you won't look like a bodybuilder by practicing it. Grappling methods are also included, but these are mostly takedowns and pins, not the kind of grappling they do in Brazilian Jujutsu. If we label all your requirements from A to G, then we might get a list like:

Shinshintoitsu Aikido: A(B)C(D)E(F)G
Honbu Aikido: A(B)C(D)(F)(G)
Shotokan Karate: A(F)
Kodokan Judo: AB(C)(F)

...and so on. Sometimes there are more of these items included at higher levels (2nd Dan and up).

If you don't mind taking non-Japanese arts, some Chinese arts might have more of what you are looking for. For example:

Chen shi Taijiquan: A(B)C(D)E(F)G

Hm, it gets the same grade as Shinshintoitsu Aikido. The differences would be that in Chen shi Taiji there are more striking techniques, more weapons, more health conditioning, and probably more meditation/sensitivity/awareness training.

Anyway, good luck!

Kyuusaku, I did not see anywhere your name. It is stated in the forum rules that specifically state that you must include your full name in every post. You may go to your profile in the User CP link at the top of the page and put your name there.

Man, I feel like a moderator. :rolleyes:

[beauty_in_the_sai]

I would reccomend Mixed MA, or Jeet Kune Do. They concentrate on ALL aspects and styles of fighting, so in turn you can react to any situation with a wide variety of fighting techniques. ie: striking, grappling, throwing, submissions, fitness and health, and most MMA types do ALOT of hard core sparring and conditioning. But I guess if your not in it for realistic, and combat training, I'd suggest Kung Fu,. for it is softer, and less strenuos on the body. ( for the most part ) Some do concentrate on harder style.

[aplonis]

You cannot study what is not available in your area. Take the time to visit each of those schools which are. Observe two whole classes of each...on different days for each school...lest you observe only their better/worse day. And ask yourself:

1. Will the instructor's teaching style work for me?
2. Does the style spark enough interest that I will enjoy making a real strong effort?

Never mind the rest. Far-, mid-, near-range styles each have their advantages. And you could chose on such a tactical basis. But if either of the two questions above answer in the negative...then you will not be able to see it through. Then what would be the point? So choose from among what is available to you now. In later years you can always branch out.

Additionally I would recommend to ignore all issues of culture, history, etc. This is not the 13th century. Not in Japan or anywhere else. All those, so-called, warrior pholosophies were nothing so much as bootcamp-like mindwashing with an esoteric twist. They sought not to suppress the ego (as proclaimed), but to transplant it. Every one of them is aimed at excising the free will and grafting in obedience to an external (military/economic/political) goal wholly owned by some ruling clique or other. So give over all of that. It's ancient history anyways. Choose for yourself what will work for you here and now.

[Rich]

Judo. It has many elements.

Tangibles: grappling, throws, groundwork, holds, chokes, strangles and joint locks.
Intangibles: health, fitness, discipline, repect, a philosophy of helping others.

If you need it for self defence, you can effectively take the guy down and finish it.

Richard

[RickMatz]

Yoshinkan Aikido.

[aikironin]

TenShin Aikido Methodology

[Moses Colon]

Well i would recommend
Hontai yonshin ryu

[Gunyo Kogusoku]

Well i would recommend
Hontai yonshin ryu

*Nod nod* :)

[avalanche_rider]

I would recommend kyokushin karate...