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Hi.
I am very curious to know which Martial Arts incorporates Healing? Meaning which ones teach Healing? or any of the alike.:)
Originally posted by richard
With the Korean martial arts like Hapkido, Yudo, Taekwondo and HaeMuKwan you are required to learn healing arts at the intermediate Dan levels. I think that most Asian arts teach some healing skills. It is part of the philosophy of Ying & Yang or Um and Yang. You must have balance. If you are going to learn how to hurt, then you must also learn how to heal. You can find some healing arts training events in the member announcements forum here at budoseek or in the calendar section of the www.kmaia-usa.org website.
Richard Hackworth
www.americandragon.org :cool:
hUh?? :confused:
Korean Arts especially Hapkido, TKD, teach Healing? Are u sure?
never ever heard of it like that. Taekwondo a sport style teaching healing, since when did the founder of hapkido or taekwondo new or even learned healing?
Dr Glenn Morris' school Hoshinroshi ryu Jutaijutsu (a system drawing from arts such as Budo Taijutsu, Jujutsu, Aikijujutsu, Savate, Defendu, and others) is directly interrelated with his school of Hoshitao Chi Kung. (ecclectic... no?)
As part of his curriculum he requires students study things like Meditation, Breathing, Massage, Western First Aid, Traditional Chinese Medicine, etc... with various skill levels of each being required for advancement.
http://www.hoshin.com
Its an interesting system.
yea I been here
thanks but no school in my area.
Jeff Burger
06-20-2002, 21:28
Really depends on the school not the style to the most part.
We require our instructors and assistants to be first aid certified and CPR...thats still healing arts.
I think it a great thing to focus on...especially for older martial artist who arent going to be competing.
I learned stuff as I got hurt...thats a great way to do it. Your motivated cause its your problem and you have the down time.
When I would write my teacher in China about history or such he would sign it with "Get Well Soon" or something to that matter...more a little sarcastic reminder that there are other things i shgould be working on and if Im asking such things it because of down time from injury (he probably wouldnt appreciate me being online either).
When I get a bit older Id like to stay in China long enough to learn their bone setting...Id have to say its better than the carpentry (screws) you would get here in the west.
JMB
warriorwoman
06-21-2002, 11:30
While someone earlier pointed out that most martial arts do teach some type of healing, preventative medicine or first aid, there is actually a body of information which is taught by Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi to higher ranking dan grades as part of the curriculum of Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu. Prior to his inheritance of the sokeship of the nine schools included in the Bujinkan, he was formally trained as a bonesetter.
janet dtantirojanarat
www.warriorwoman.org
Originally posted by warriorwoman
While someone earlier pointed out that most martial arts do teach some type of healing, preventative medicine or first aid, there is actually a body of information which is taught by Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi to higher ranking dan grades as part of the curriculum of Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu. Prior to his inheritance of the sokeship of the nine schools included in the Bujinkan, he was formally trained as a bonesetter.
janet dtantirojanarat
www.warriorwoman.org
Yea you are right. I heard Hatsumi is a little greedy with that spiritual/healing/ stuff. You gotta be very advance to start learning the Spiritual & Healing side of it. but i would like to start learning since the beginning which is better as I advance I will be able to learn it better and comprehend it completly. I DON'T MEAN TO INSULT HATSUMI OR NOBODY, just that they told me Hatsumi likes to keep the best to the end I guess he has a right. The ones that are worth it , will receive it. I didn't mean GREEDY in a bad way. Greedy meaning he likes to teach these higher order stuff when you are advance and he knows you worth it .
warriorwoman
06-21-2002, 15:21
I suppose that's one way to look at it, but I prefer to think that most people, wouldn't be able to comprehend, let alone appreciate it. Since so much is dependent upon proper mindset, and spiritual orientation, I tend to agree that unless a person has progressed through the training, it would be presumptuous to think someone can just walk in and pick it up. Another issue is the cost of getting to Japan to learn it from him, eh? While some people may be interested in various separate aspects of Budotaijutsu, I think it's a "package" and while it may not always be readily apparent, they do interrelate and reinforce one another.
By the way, I didn' take your response as a criticism of Hatsumi Soke, merely as a comment from someone who is conditioned to view martial arts training from the way it's unfortunately done in the States. I believe he's at the point in his life that he doesn't need the small amount of money that he does charge for instruction, nor the aggravation that so many people cause by their lack of understanding of where he's coming from.
janet dtantirojanarat
www.warriorwoman.org
janet dtantirojanarat
www.warriorwoman.org
W.Kent Bergstrom
06-21-2002, 15:51
Hi,
There is a difference between "greedy" and the wisdom to know who is dangerous and who is not. Knowing the healing arts with an understanding of martial arts changes the whole aspect of understanding the human body both energetic and gross anatomy wise.
I have recieved the teachings from Amatsu Medicine in Japan and our center includes TCM based healing practices besides other methods.
YamaMizu Renmei Dojo (http://www.yamamizuryu.org)
Our school (dojo) is licensed with the state and there are restrictions to practice based on your level of knowledge because of a little thing called "scope of practice". Much of Amatsu is akin to what folks call chiropractic or osteopathic practice. Although moving joints in the body is not so uncommon in advanced Asian bodywork, I wouldn't teach this to anyone who has not been a practitioner for many years. Hatsumi told us that he wanted a restriction on who is taught these arts because of the dangers involved. As a director of a school for Asian bodywork (Amma) this made perfect sense to me based on safety and ethics, not "greed". Amma Therapy has a very similar style in many ways to Amatsu Medicine.
We teach that to anyone who wishes to learn it. (But advanced is only taught to graduates of the basics)
My Amma (Anma) master has a seasonal home on LI NY as well if RobNYC is interested. The course used to be taught at the Syosset based NY College for Wholistic Medicine (New Center) but they lost their rights to teach it now. Any licensed MT or ABT can take continuing ed courses with Mrs Sohn.
Kent
PS
Mrs Sohn, aside from coming from a martial arts family herself, had a grandmother that was the Acupuncturist for Hwang Gee; founder of Tang Soo Do who was the introducer of Dr Sohn and Mrs Sohn. Dr Sohn was in Korea studying Tang Soo Do and was also told to learn TCM for his Martial Studies.
Theres a lot more of it going on than people think.
Yes very true.
He's at the point of charging more or less?
Jay Bell
06-21-2002, 17:36
Which MA teach Healing?
Many arts teach various types of healing. Physical, spiritual, psychological, personal, etc...
Hakko ryu Jujutsu and Systema would be good overall examples
Originally posted by Jay Bell
Hakko ryu Jujutsu
I tried looking for Hakko Ryu Jujutsu in my area, didn't found none :( but thanks
**nods to Jay**
Thanks for pointing out Systema.
Systema is a very individualized, system and so the level of instruction of the various healing aspects varies from teacher to teacher.
However... Systema has adapted and integrated a system of natural holistic healthcare which was "perfected" by a philosopher by the name of Porfiniry Ivanov. His system was used by various russian special operations units. Usually the same units which were preserving and "perfecting" systema.
The system revolves around the idea that fatigue (mental, physical, and spiritual) leads to weakness. This weakness allows sickness to infiltrate and take over the body, resulting is disease.
Many of the practices involved in Systemas healthcare involve dousing the body with ice water (cold is the most powerful stimulent on the body), fasting (helps to clear the body of weak cells), regular movement (lack of movment leads to atrophy), proper breathing (poor breathing inhibits the bodies ability to process oxygen), and interaction with nature (Russian health care is founded on the beleif that if you are good to the world around you, it will be good to you).
Originally posted by Jay Bell
Many arts teach various types of healing. Physical, spiritual, psychological, personal, etc...
Hakko ryu Jujutsu and Systema would be good overall examples
Systema? is it old or new?
Shorinji Kempo's techniques are divided to three sections: hard techs, soft techs, and healing. On the level I've seen the art, healing (Seiho in this art) is mainly a sort of shiatsu version. Here's a address to organization, if you wish to check location of branches:
http://www.shorinjikempo.or.jp/wsko/
With respect,
Riku Ylönen
Originally posted by riku
Shorinji Kempo's techniques are divided to three sections: hard techs, soft techs, and healing. On the level I've seen the art, healing (Seiho in this art) is mainly a sort of shiatsu version. Here's a address to organization, if you wish to check location of branches:
http://www.shorinjikempo.or.jp/wsko/
With respect,
Riku Ylönen
Hey, Thanks.
I remember reading in a thread, that Shorinji Kempo teaches them but in a way you can't master any of them
Let me try to look where it is.:)
Systema has a heritage that stretchs back approx 1000 years.
Due to its size and geographic location, Russia has been under attack more often than it has been at peace.
Attackers from the north, south, east and west would strike at the Russian people in all seasons with all manner of weapons and techniques. The Russians needed to be able to fight and keep their country. (Un)fortunatly Russia has been a comparatilvy poor country and they could not afford to keep a standing army, so in times of war, all able bodied men would fight and return to their feilds when the battle was over.
To keep their skills sharp and their bodies ready, the Russian people would engage in sports which were very combative in nature. They would wrestle, knife fight, and engage in other games of martial skill. Their dances mirrored the techniques they used in battle and ensured strong bodies.
When the communists came to power, they supressed ALL national traditions. Those traditions that survived did so only because they were kept secret, hidden underground.
The traditional martial arts were also supressed. but some were kept alive in the military.
Most of the Russian Military was trained in the art of SAMBO. A system developed by combining other arts, but in some special operations units, the traditional arts were kept, refined, and improved upon. These techniques were transmitted to the soldiers, but their history was shrouded even to them. they knew it only as Systema Rukopashnii Boi (System of hand to hand combat) or more simply... as Systema.
(A rought, incomplete, theatrically dramatic, account of the history of systema. for further info, go to http://www.russianmartialart.com)
There is a little-known Japanese traditional form of medicine called Judo-Seifukushi. Practitioners are known as Judo/Seifuku Therapists. There is a college called The College of Tokyo Judo/Seifuku Therapy which has been operating since 1953.
The following extracts are taken from a leaflet produced by The College of Tokyo Judo Therapy, part of the Kyobun College Group.
Under the Japanese National Health Insurance System Judo/Seifuku therapists can treat ligament injuries, tendon injuries, fractures, dislocations and sprains. Note: Treatment of fractures and joint dispocations also require consultations with a medical doctor.
Judo/Seifuku Therapy traces its roots to the records of bone/joint injuries in the 8th century. In the 16th century during the Japanese civil wars various sects of martial arts, including Jujyutsu (from which Judo evolved) were formed. The therapeutic methods in Judo/Seifuku therapy were developed as participants needed to treat injuries such as fractures, sprains, contusions and dislocations.
A national examination is required to apply for a Judo/Seifuku therapist licenseThe license is issued after three years of study at an accredited school. Fields covered include anatomy, physiology, pathology, hygiene and diagnostics. Students must also practice Judo at least one and a half hours a week to learn Reihou, Kata, waza of basic Kodokan Judo theories for physical and spiritual training.
For more information http://www.kyobun.ac.jp
email: info@kyobun.ac.jp
Hope this was of interest!
Richard.
NHJujitsuSensei
03-02-2003, 10:33
I think I read the posts completely, but I may have missed mention of "Kappo". If so, I apologize. If not, there is another resource for everybody.
A method of resuscitation for various situations, and some of them are quite interesting, almost humorous (due to pictures)such as the technique for assisting someone who has been kicked in the groin to the degree that um....parts of them have been sent up into the body. Parts that should be more external (for male practitioners that is). Ouch.
There is also techniques for reviving from unconsciousness, etc.
I believe they are listed complete with pictures in a Judo text book. The name escapes me at the moment, I will look it up.
Great thread, lots of wonderful resources.
kodanjaclay
03-20-2003, 06:37
Kappo is not a healing art per se. It is more a corrective art or first aid. I also would not endorse this art, because not only can it cause more damage physically, it can result in a crippling law suit for any school. My idea of Kappo these days is 911.
Healing arts are more along the lines of health maintenence, such as Chi Ahp, which is a form of massage or han yuk, the art of herbal teas for health. Just to name a couple.
Kimpatsu
03-26-2003, 19:50
Originally posted by riku
Shorinji Kempo's techniques are divided to three sections: hard techs, soft techs, and healing. On the level I've seen the art, healing (Seiho in this art) is mainly a sort of shiatsu version. Here's a address to organization, if you wish to check location of branches:
http://www.shorinjikempo.or.jp/wsko/
Riku is right, but I think he should have mentioned the fourth pillar of Shorinji Kempo training: Howa (philosophy). See the Do You Teach A Moral Code? (http://www.budoseek.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=645) thread for details of the Shorinji Kempo stance on that issue.
Regarding Shorinji Kempo healing, in addition to learning Seiho, which includes reinvigoration (Kappo) and replacement of dislocated joints, many branch masters are also first-aid certified.
HTH.
Can I have a list of the martial arts that do not only teach Healing but also the martial concept?
I'm interested in the Japanese & Chinese arts
Kimpatsu
03-26-2003, 21:32
What do you mean by "martial concept"? Budo philosophy?
Originally posted by Kimpatsu
What do you mean by "martial concept"? Budo philosophy?
martial concept as in the fighting, combat, applications etc.
kodanjaclay
03-27-2003, 12:24
When I taught at the Y, many moons ago, we had a Japanese foreign exchange student who did Shorinji Kempo. He was very well versed in the healing arts.
Is it true in the US that you must have a preliminary understanding of Buddhism to study?
Kimpatsu
03-27-2003, 17:20
Originally posted by kodanjaclay
Is it true in the US that you must have a preliminary understanding of Buddhism to study?
No. Where did thay idea come from?
Kimpatsu
03-27-2003, 17:20
Originally posted by RobNyc
martial concept as in the fighting, combat, applications etc.
Shorinji kempo for one.
Originally posted by Kimpatsu
Shorinji kempo for one.
Thanks, are there any S.K. in NY?
Kimpatsu
03-27-2003, 21:01
Try http://www.nyshorinji.org/ for all details, and say "Hi!" to Raul for me.
Best,
Originally posted by Kimpatsu
Try http://www.nyshorinji.org/ for all details, and say "Hi!" to Raul for me.
Best,
Wow, I'm so interested in S.K. ,
It sounds so like my type of style
I'll tell Raul, you said hi, thanks
kodanjaclay
03-28-2003, 08:25
<<No. Where did thay idea come from?>>
The Japanese exchange student I had was from Kyoto, and that is what he indicated. I was curious to find out if that was a school specific thing, which it may have been.
Kimpatsu
03-08-2004, 03:37
martial concept as in the fighting, combat, applications etc.
I thought all MA taught that, which is why they're called "martial arts"...
The Japanese exchange student I had was from Kyoto, and that is what he indicated. I was curious to find out if that was a school specific thing, which it may have been.
It has buddist themes but its like Christmas, you dont have to be christian to participate :wink2:
I tried looking for Hakko Ryu Jujutsu in my area, didn't found none :( but thanks
Unfortunately it's hard to find a 'true' Hakko Ryu school outside of Japan. It's even hard to find Hakko Ryu in Japan.
Mark Brown
engrchic
09-21-2004, 19:35
Danzan Ryu Jujitsu has a healing arts program which parallels the martial arts program. The martial and healing arts are taught together under the premise that they promote a better understanding of each other. Many of the techniques used on the martial side are applied to the healing side and vice versa. I was amazed the first time I saw what I thought was a "kill" technique introduced as a "cure." It is all about intent...and to better control your intent, it only makes sense to study the healing and martial arts together. You are definitely on the right track in pursuing this! I am pretty sure their is a school in your area, so ask around or check out www.ajjf.org.
Jennifer Davis
mysticwulf
09-30-2004, 17:52
Every class at High Mountain Hoshin is split into 3rds.
The first 3rd is meditation, and a lot of that will have elements of self-healing.
The second 3rd of the class is the physical skills and martial arts and the last 3rd of the class is actual Healing.
In the Healing portion we look at some First Aid and how to handle simple injuries, but we also include Reiki Certification with the first 3 belt levels.
There is an actual Healing Certification available within the Hoshin System also.
Robert Morgen
www.highmountainhoshin.com
Dillman Karate International also teaches healing
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