The Anti-Smoking Nazis have gone too far...

[Webmaster]

I am not a smoker, but when a person cannot smoke even in their own home, that goes way too far.

http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=66988

[Ramirez]

That is ridiculous, you are better off educating on smoking and promoting a healthy lifestyle anyway, I believe the latest projection is that Australia might be smoke free by 2020 because so few people there take up the habit.

[Jay Bell]

As sick as this is, it isn't anything new. Not long after I moved to Phoenix, Mesa, AZ did very much the same thing. Mesa is politically controlled by...er...a perticular "fundamental" religious group...one that doesn't allow smoking, caffeine, etc.. :nutkick:

Baseline Rd seperates Mesa from the next Northern town. If you were driving East on Baseline and smoking in your car, you could be ticketed. West, you were fine. It was beyond rediculous.

Finally the state stepped in and dropped the hammer, yet Mesa just modified the no smoking ban, making it illegal to smoke in public places unless they had a specific alcohol license (which was of course, was astronomical). Countless bars and restaraunts closed down...some that had been in the same location for decades.

Tempe followed...doing pretty much the same type of thing. No smoking unless the liquor license was up to par, or they had a patio.

With this past election, now it's the entire state. Businesses are going to be crushed. Bars/clubs/restaraunts with patios are going to explode financially. I remember when Mesa first put theirs into effect...friends and I would go out as a group and they'd rather drive 10 more miles to go eat than eat and not smoke in Mesa.

While smoking is an annoyance to me...this is just wrong. No one stopped to think of the impact that this would have on bars and such.

[David Craik]

Guess I'd have one hell of a collection of tickets.

[WhiteBeltJones]

I am not a smoker, but when a person cannot smoke even in their own home, that goes way too far.

http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=66988

According to the ordinance, you can smoke in your home if it is a detached single-family dwelling. I have sympathy for people who live in apartments with smoking neighbors. It comes right through the ventilation, and folks are seldom willing to stop smoking to accomodate neighboring apartments. (I speak from experience, having lived in an apartment with my then-pregnant wife and neighbors who smoked.)

Am I saying that the ordinance is completely reasonable? No, I think it might go a little far. But the truth is that cigarette smoke is a very pervasive substance, and it is hard to smoke without sharing that smoke with somebody else who doesn't care to inhale it.

[Patrick Hayes]

California passed a ban on smoking in public places several years ago, and a similar ban passed in Washington earlier this year. Many people were convinced that restaurants and bars would go out of business because no one would continue going there if they had to go outside to smoke. I don't have any figures to back up this statement, but it actually seemed that business has picked up in both states because non-smokers can now visit those places freely. Smokers still go out to restuarants for food and to bars for alcohol and people like my wife, who has respiratory problems, can now go out drinking, bowling, and to live music concerts without choking. Having been a waiter and bartender, I was glad to see the ban pass because I don't smoke and would prefer not to breathe in second-hand smoke all day.

However, not being allowed to smoke in your car or even in your own home is absolutely ridiculous. I guess they're just trying to strictly enforce the "no smoking within 25 feet of public places" rule, but going a little overboard. I supposed it could be argued that people aren't allowed to drink in public either, but come on, it's really not the same thing. Oh well, Belmont's kind of a strange place anyway.

[jwinch2]

California has had a ban on smoking in public places for several years. Everytime i have been out there and gone into a bar it has been packed. When I try to get a reservation at a resturaunt it takes forever. They have a no smoking indoors policy in Oregon, yet when I go to the Eugene campus I still see the bars and resturaunts filled to capacity. They simply have an outdoor designated place for people who want to smoke or who do nor care if they are around it.

As far as what people do in their own homes, as far as I am concerned that is their own business. However, I am certainly for a ban in public places. I know I am sick of coming home smelling like smoke just because I want to go out and watch a game at a sports bar, I am sick of having to walk through a cloud of smoke to go into the library on campus, and i am sick of seeing cigarette butts all over the ground from people who are too lazy to pick them up.

Good to go as far as I am concerned.

EDIT: oops double post with Patrick...

[Erik]

I'm with Kurt on this one. I live in an indoor apartment building and there are some neighbors who smoke enough that the whole building stinks of it.

Interestingly, there have been a few tenants (who find themselves thrown out after a little while) who smoke so much pot that I'm worried I may not pass a drug test if ever asked to take one. They smoke so much that the hallways on both floors are literally cloudy and you cannot see the other end of the hallway clearly.

I've been very tempted to call the police but the building super does a good job of handling this.

All that being said, if a smoker's smoke affects other people, then they are in the wrong and should not be allowed to smoke. If it does not affect other people (own car, single-family detatched building, etc.) then it's their right.

In general, I have very little sympathy for smokers.

Hey Patrick - know the first town to ban smoking in public places? Hint: we used to live there....

[Patrick Hayes]

Hey Patrick - know the first town to ban smoking in public places? Hint: we used to live there....
Yep, good ol' SLO-town, also home of the drive-thru window ban. Since moving to Washington, I make it a point to always use the drive-thru window, just because I can :laugh:. Now I don't even get the slight exercise from getting out of the car and walking inside to get my greasy burgers and tacos. And I wonder why I'm getting fat. . .

Actually, almost everyone I knew in San Luis Obispo was an ex-smoker. I wonder how strong the correlation is between a ban on smoking in public places and the number of people who give up smoking altogether? I figure there has to be some correlation, but is it strong enough to be statistically significant?

[Jeff C.]

Actually, I think it is a grand idea. Nicotine should be illegal. I wonder how many dollars we spend in this country on outrageously expensive insurance because of smokers and their nicotine/smoking-related illnesses? Better yet, tax the crap out of it and put the extra income towards taking care of these poor folks when they catch one of any number of maladies due to their bad habit.

I know what the follow-up argument will probably be: where do we draw the line on what substances to make illegal?

Jeff Cook

[Ramirez]

Better yet, tax the crap out of it.

Jeff Cook

That is a good idea, we tried that in Canada but had to lower the taxes because contraband cigarettes started becoming a problem. Yep, the government was in competition with the black market.

[elder999]

Actually, I think it is a grand idea. Nicotine should be illegal.
Jeff Cook

Don't know if it's a "grand idea," though something should be done about habitual tobacco/nicotine use. A total ban, however, would restrict the religious freedom of a great number of people.....

[Erik]

Who smokes tobacco religiously?

I'm with Jeff on this. Tax the heck out of (or make illegal) cigarettes because 1) their harm cannot be contained (second hand smoke flows where it wants to) and 2) it costs ALL of us a fortune to pay for the harm it does and 3) it is a luxury good, not a necessity (like, say, driving is, for the present).

(My dad is an oncologist - I have strong opinions on this having grown up with dying patients and big jars filled with lung tumors - friggin' disgusting!)

[elder999]

Who smokes tobacco religiously?


Indians.

It was never meant to be carried around in your pocket 20 smokes at a time....

[Erik]

Indians.

Oh, that's a whole other ball of yarn....

[s.henson]

Smokers are the most inconsiderate group of people on the planet. I have no sympathy for them. The law will probably have to be amended, but I'm all for it.

[Dennis Monk]

Smokers are the most inconsiderate group of people on the planet. I have no sympathy for them. The law will probably have to be amended, but I'm all for it.
My isn't that quite the blanket statement. As a smoker myself, (been trying to quit for years) I can see SOME of them being that way but not all. Covering all smokers with a statement like that is BS. I for one, and am not alone, will not smoke around young children, old people or my parents. I choose not to as a courtesy and consideration for them. I won't smoke in my own vehicle with people that have a major problem with it, even though it is MY vehicle. I don't even like to smoke inside the home of another smoker, knowing a child lives there. Inconsiderate? All?
Yes, there are those that would and will do these things, and even more. They are also the same people that cut in line, don't hold a door open for old ladies and fart in elevators too.
Just because I have a legal but bad habit, does not make me inconsiderate. Furthermore, I don't need your sympathy. I would love to travel back in time to the "cool guy" that offered me my first smoke, just so I could kick the living mess out of him. I can't very well do that.
This isn't a thread about willpower and being able to quit so I am not even going there. I will say that I think scientists are dead on when they say that nicotine is almost as addictive as heroin.
Smoking stinks, smokers stink, Yep, we know.
Tell me that I can't smoke in my own home or vehicle, and I will probably start violating more laws than just those.

[ezzthetic]

Smokers get no sympathy from me. Why should we care?

[Jay Bell]

What smoker is asking for anyone's sympathy? I can't recall hearing that...

As a chewer (and former smoker) for more than half of my life, I can say that this is a tough thing. If chewing was given the same shot as smoking (which has happened with no-tobacco laws in some cities in the US), I'd stay home a hell of a lot more than I do now...just as I'm sure smokers will now.

My non-smoking friends that have a problem with smokey bars...they don't go to them. Pretty simple. So now the shift has changed for smokers to find other places to go. All in all, either way, people's comfort is being cast out. Non-smokers have to put up with hacking coughs the next morning and smelling like hell, smokers no longer can be there without walking outside every 15 minutes.

I really don't see much of a solution, but punishing tobacco addicts does nothing. It hurts people far beyond them. If more resources were put into gear for effective tobacco treatments, it might make some more sense (where exactly do these spiked taxes go?).

[TonyU]

I don't know where I stand on this, expcet when I did smoke (more than 20 years ago) I was considerate. I never smoked in a restaurant or around non-smokers. While it limited when I could, I knew and respected those that did not.
Now I do the same with the occasional cigar and when I dip. I know that the spitting may disgust some. So I keep it to myself.

[Jared Sutton]

Smokers are the most inconsiderate group of people on the planet. I have no sympathy for them. The law will probably have to be amended, but I'm all for it.

My dad is one of the most considerate men I know. He and my mom were both smokers pre-Jared. Moms quit cold turkey when she found out she was pregnant. When it was found out that I had mild asthma, he never went into the house with a cigarette again. When I walk into the shed and he's lit up, he walks out of the shed. I would never think him an inconsiderate smoker.

I hate that he smokes but he is one of the few smokers I've encountered whose addiction doesn't hinder his sense of common courtesy. Now I won't go into his wasting his money on useless crap when he could be buying his marvelous son ice cream or whatever the average 16 year old likes these days. :D

J. Sutton

[Jay Bell]

I don't know where I stand on this, expcet when I did smoke (more than 20 years ago) I was considerate. I never smoked in a restaurant or around non-smokers. While it limited when I could, I knew and respected those that did not.
Now I do the same with the occasional cigar and when I dip. I know that the spitting may disgust some. So I keep it to myself.

Me too, Tony. I don't spit in public, the majority of the time when I'm around people, I have an 'upper' in. I started that in my teen years out of consideration for people around me.

But us damn tobacco heathens... :rolleyes:

[Maro]

I have no problem with smokers who want to smoke at Home.

I used to work at BAT - surprisingly, the Chairman didn't smoke :laugh:

[s.henson]

My isn't that quite the blanket statement. As a smoker myself, (been trying to quit for years) I can see SOME of them being that way but not all. Covering all smokers with a statement like that is BS. I for one, and am not alone, will not smoke around young children, old people or my parents. I choose not to as a courtesy and consideration for them. I won't smoke in my own vehicle with people that have a major problem with it, even though it is MY vehicle. I don't even like to smoke inside the home of another smoker, knowing a child lives there. Inconsiderate? All?
Yes, there are those that would and will do these things, and even more. They are also the same people that cut in line, don't hold a door open for old ladies and fart in elevators too.
Just because I have a legal but bad habit, does not make me inconsiderate. Furthermore, I don't need your sympathy. I would love to travel back in time to the "cool guy" that offered me my first smoke, just so I could kick the living mess out of him. I can't very well do that.
This isn't a thread about willpower and being able to quit so I am not even going there. I will say that I think scientists are dead on when they say that nicotine is almost as addictive as heroin.
Smoking stinks, smokers stink, Yep, we know.
Tell me that I can't smoke in my own home or vehicle, and I will probably start violating more laws than just those.

I still think that as a group smokers are the most inconsiderate people. Are there considerate smokers? Sure. I have never encountered one though. I am an electrician, and have to deal with this crap everyday. I have met plenty of people who said "Oh yeah I smoke, but I know it's bad for other people so I am considerate of them." Yeah, well that goes out the window the first time they have to "Calm their nerves" and it becomes inconvenient. Anyway, yes it is a blanket statement, and no I don't know you and would not make personal attacks, but it has been my experiance that when something gets between a smoker and his (or her, man a cigerette will make a hot girl look nasty) habit they generally don't care about other people. I'm all for a law banning smokeing in public places, yeah a person has the right to do what they want in their home or vehicle, but I think maybe these people have just reached a breaking point.

[Kenshin]

Actually, I think it is a grand idea. Nicotine should be illegal. I wonder how many dollars we spend in this country on outrageously expensive insurance because of smokers and their nicotine/smoking-related illnesses? Better yet, tax the crap out of it and put the extra income towards taking care of these poor folks when they catch one of any number of maladies due to their bad habit.

I know what the follow-up argument will probably be: where do we draw the line on what substances to make illegal?



Not to mention the millions more we spend on Welfare and government projects that don't work. I totally agree with you Dennis, as a father I go to extreme lengths to make sure my son does not get second hand smoke. As for smoking in public places...to an extent I agree. I close quarters, we should be considerate. Even when I am out in an open area and I see my smoke floats in others direction I will try to move so that it doesn't bother them. At the same time...I am sorry...but deal with it. I will concede certain places but if I am walking down the street and feel like a smoke, why shouldn't I light up? Second hand smoke is deadly...yes. Has any actually read up on how much second hand smoke you would need to inhale on a daily basis to have it affect you?? Or are you just repeating what you hear and read? There are points on both sides of the board. Now I am not knocking anyones opinion. But before you go to far look at what you are really talking about.

[Abbax8]

Growing up my mom and brother smoked. The apartment was filled with smoke. I didn't notice it at all. For a while I smoked a pipe and cigars. I quit when my wife was pregnant with our first child.

Now 21 years smoke free I can't stand to go into the smoke room at work to give someone a message, I gag literally and my eyes burn. Having said that the law is nuts. Also make tobacco illegal and we will only add to the drug problem. Control it, tax it and educate people. Hell maybe we should do that with all drugs.

Peace

Dennis

[Jay Bell]

I'm with ya, Dennis. The current trend seems to be educate the up and comers and condemn the folks that currently do it....hoping to guilt them into breaking the addiction :rolleyes:

I've tried to quit a number of times. However, there's normally not a 15 minute span through the day (unless I'm eating) that I'm not chewing. There's many websites for aiding people that would like to quit...but believe me...no amount of deep breathing helps the amount of withdrawels that I go through when tried.

I've done accupuncture, with little hope, but what pretty amazed that I never had a nic fit. Unfortunately, 24 hours later when I woke up, I had a chew in my mouth from an opened can for 10 minutes before it clicked that I wasn't supposed to do that. I've tried smoke away...with the exact same result. The second smoke away run I got rid of all of the tobacco *first*...then started. I was hell in a handbasket for the next 16 hours and was at Circle K minutes later.

It always seems to be the non-tobacco users that pipe up the loudest with, "Just quit!". :rolleyes:

[Maro]

Smoking in Bars is illegal here in Oz, When I went back to the UK after 18 months (Back when it was still legal in the UK) I could hardly see in the pub. Amazing considering I used to run bars. :eek:

The thing that smokers refuse to accept is the smell. Their sense of smell and taste is usually too atrophied to notice.

[ezzthetic]

I was referring to any sympathetic sentiments regarding the smoking ban. I couldn't care less for the habit itself.

And yes, smokers do smell. Smell like death.

If I'm a guest in someone's car, I don't expect to get smogged. That's the same as speeding with a passenger. I don't think that's something for the driver to feel self-righteous about. If you think you're doing me a favor BEYOND giving me a ride, then don't.

[Erik]

I know that the spitting may disgust some. So I keep it to myself.
That's the big difference.

There is no second-hand dip causing cancer in non-dippers.

[David Craik]

I'm with Dennis. Part of the reason I dip is so I never smoke around non-smokers. Banning smoking in one's own car and outside is simply moronic. I guarantee far more carbon monoxide is generated by cars, trucks, and factories that ever would be by a cigarette. This may be why you never hear of folks committing suicide by sitting in a garaged car and smoking themselves to death.

Non-smokers have every right not to be subjected to second-hand smoke, but it has turned into something of a mania in this country. As far as bars and such go, I believe it should be up to the owner whether smoking is allowed or not, with the caveat that the establishment be posted with a sign at the entrance and a notice on any advertisements that smoking is allowed therein. It is the owner's private property, and non-smokers can then choose to go elsewhere if they so desire.

As to making it illegal, that's a pipe (no pun intended) dream. It would fail as readily as prohibition failed. This became readily apparent to me aboard the U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt in 1995. All smoking was banned, starting July 4th of that year. I think the Captain was bucking for Brownie points as becoming the first smoke-free ship in the much-touted "smoke free Navy" that we were supposed to have by the year 2000. Now, we were on a ship at sea and the only place to buy anything was at one of two of the ship's stores (which of course sold no tobacco). Despite it's size, there are very few hiding places where one can smoke on a carrier with 5,000 people aboard. You are essentially aboard a floating prison. And people still obtained cigarrettes through the mail or from buddies that went ashore. They still managed to hide out and smoke. I overheard a sailor buying two packs of cigarettes for $90. When the cruise ended, so did the non-smoking business.

Hell, we can't stop cocaine, heroin, meth, and marijuana from being used. Prisoners even get drugs, and you can't get a much more controlled environment than that.

[AndrewSimonsen]

So we ban tobbaco and legalize weed? This is where we are headed and I don't like it.

[Eliz]

So we ban tobbaco and legalize weed? This is where we are headed and I don't like it.

Good point. Kind of makes you wonder where peoples minds are.

Cigars smokers used to be out. Now Cigars are completely fashionable and cigarettes are out.

Personally I would like to see a ban on young children [that can't behave properly] in public places. :up:

[jwinch2]

Personally I would like to see a ban on young children [that can't behave properly] in public places. :up:

You are my hero...

[Eliz]

You are my hero...

:D
Shall we start a petition? Say the word, Jason. I am there.

[Defined]

Second hand smoke is deadly...yes. Has any actually read up on how much second hand smoke you would need to inhale on a daily basis to have it affect you?? Or are you just repeating what you hear and read? There are points on both sides of the board. Now I am not knocking anyones opinion. But before you go to far look at what you are really talking about.

What you say is technically true. But think, if there was to be a study to test exactly how much second hand smoke you would need to inhale on a daily basis to cause harm this is what would have to be done.
Large amounts of people of different ages (including children) would be separated into groups.
Each group would be purposely subjected to different levels of second hand smoke daily for different periods of time.
Oh yes, I am sure this is going to pass an ethics board. Before you go too far, look at what you are really talking about.
It still remains that with human smokers (not second hand smoke) only correlation not causation has been established between habitual smoking and disease such as of the heart and lung.

These studies however, have been completed with laboratory animals such as mice in place of humans. In general what has been found is, mainstream cigarette smoke causes cancers and other respiratory ailments. Sidestream smoke is more toxic than mainstream smoke.

[AndrewSimonsen]

Go to the source of the problem, parents need to stop letting their kids run wild.

[Maro]

Go to the source of the problem, parents need to stop letting their kids run wild.

That would entail people taking responsibility - a novel concept nowadays.

BTW, have you seen the Nicotine Soft Drink that is on sale? An Australian Senator brought a bottle back from the USA as a warning. It's packaged and marketed like normal soft drinks.

Scary.

[Cliff Hargrave]

That would entail people taking responsibility - a novel concept nowadays.

BTW, have you seen the Nicotine Soft Drink that is on sale? An Australian Senator brought a bottle back from the USA as a warning. It's packaged and marketed like normal soft drinks.

Scary.

I have never heard of a nicotine soft drink.

[Gordon Nore]

Dennis, I'm going to ask Robert to set up a smoking room in the Moderators' lounge. Meet you there later for a butt.

[Maro]

I have never heard of a nicotine soft drink.

http://www.nicoworldwide.com/

[Cliff Hargrave]

http://www.nicoworldwide.com/


Wow! I want some :)

[Maro]

If it is sold properly, I'd have no problem with it.

[Patrick Hayes]

Dennis, I'm going to ask Robert to set up a smoking room in the Moderators' lounge. Meet you there later for a butt.
Please ensure that it is kept at least 25 feet from the other threads. Thank you.

[Jeff C.]

Indians.

It was never meant to be carried around in your pocket 20 smokes at a time....

Peyote is too, my friend (as I'm sure you know) - only allowed to be used by certain tribes at certain times for religious rites. The difference? Peyote is a hallucinogen, and thus illegal.

I'm really not that anti-smoking across the board. I used to dip and smoke - one tin of Copenhagen a day, and I did not spit ever. I swallowed. I was eating a can a day. And smoking too. I was in it deep.

I would like to see it and alcohol taxed heavier, and those funds put to good use to help people to quit smoking. I have met very few smokers who did not want to quit.

Jeff Cook

[elder999]

Peyote is too, my friend (as I'm sure you know) - only allowed to be used by certain tribes at certain times for religious rites. The difference? Peyote is a hallucinogen, and thus illegal.
Jeff Cook

Long story, but that's not strictly true-it actually varies by state. Peyote ceremonies actually take place all year round, and over 100 tribes use it or used it at one time. In the states of Texas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Colorado and Arizona, it's perfectly legal for anyone to participate in peyote ceremonies-though most practitioners are generally fairly secretive about it.

[David Craik]

So we ban tobbaco and legalize weed? This is where we are headed and I don't like it.

I'd legalize weed too. :D

I figured Jeff (Cook) had to be an ex-smoker. Nobody rails against smoking harder than those who used to do it themselves. :laugh:

[TonyU]

Dennis, I'm going to ask Robert to set up a smoking room in the Moderators' lounge. Meet you there later for a butt.
Can I come in for a dip?

[rgoad]

I am against smoking bans. I am against most drug laws. But I am for the individual paying the consequences of his actions. The governments enter this argument because they have been asked to care for our health costs. This means that they can pass judgement on anything that may induce a cost to the health care system.

Rather they should disallow claims, at least those related to smoking, by smokers. Because it affects others a smoker should be required by law to extinguish or curb his activities just like he drives for both the speed limit and the conditions.

The same idea could be applied to anything we do. If you want to be covererd by public health AND do Judo you should buy a policy to cover injuries related to extra activity.

[Ramirez]

Rather they should disallow claims, at least those related to smoking, by smokers. Because it affects others a smoker should be required by law to extinguish or curb his activities just like he drives for both the speed limit and the conditions.

The same idea could be applied to anything we do. If you want to be covererd by public health AND do Judo you should buy a policy to cover injuries related to extra activity.

Sounds like insurance underwriting - the same thing could be achieved as Jeff said by earmarking taxes for cigarettes for health care. The logistics on judging what health problem is due solely to cigarettes would be difficult.

[Dennis Monk]

I don't think that's something for the driver to feel self-righteous about. If you think you're doing me a favor BEYOND giving me a ride, then don't.
Nothing self righteous about it. The term is courtesy.
And you are right on the second part. You can just ride in a taxi, those always smell much better.

[Erik]

Meet you there later for a butt.
That could have an entirely different meaning... :laugh:

[TonyU]

That could have an entirely different meaning... :laugh:
Only to someone that lives in the "SF Bay Area (CA)". :D

[Gordon Nore]

Dennis, I'm going to ask Robert to set up a smoking room in the Moderators' lounge. Meet you there later for a butt.


That could have an entirely different meaning...

Only to someone that lives in the "SF Bay Area (CA)". :D

I was speaking Canadian... sometimes a cigarette is just a cigarette.

[Patrick Hayes]

I was speaking Canadian... sometimes a cigarette is just a cigarette.
Unless you're using the British slang for cigarette, which has a totally different meaning in American slang . . .

[JonnieZ]

I don't care for cigarette smoke, but enjoy the smell of cigars, and don't use tobacco myself.

And although cigarettes do an incredible damage to their users, I'm not sure drinking a 32 oz. or 64 oz. of soda a day is any better for a person.

Jon

[Erik]

Only to someone that lives in the "SF Bay Area (CA)". :D
Exactly. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I am trying to keep from laughing aloud - I'm at a public library workin on my thesis and don't want to get thrown out! The bouncer, bounced!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Prince Loeffler]

After reading this thread, Think I need a smoke...:D :D Where's my Virginia Slim ?

[ezzthetic]

Nothing self righteous about it. The term is courtesy.
And you are right on the second part. You can just ride in a taxi, those always smell much better.

Sorry Dennis, I think I was having my period. :o

[Dennis Monk]

You get those too?

[ezzthetic]

You get those too?

Ever since I spent that night in Bangkok. :confused:

[Dennis Monk]

Ever since I spent that night in Bangkok. :confused:
You know what they say about Bangkok

One night in Bangkok and the world's your oyster
The bars are temples but the pearls ain't free
You'll find a god in every golden cloister
And if you're lucky then the god's a she
I can feel an angel sliding up to me

[Eliz]

Scarey, Dennis. Really frightening. You know the words to that song! :laugh:

[David Craik]

You know what they say about Bangkok


Well, we all know what Confucius said about it...

[Prince Loeffler]

Well, we all know what Confucius said about it...


What did he say !? What did he say ?? :D

[David Craik]

That man going through airport turnstile sideways is going to Bangkok. :D:

[Prince Loeffler]

That man going through airport turnstile sideways is going to Bangkok. :D:

That old man Confucious is just one funny dude ain't he ?:D :D