Favortie Throw

[MasterAtArms]

I am just curious on what everyone's favorite throw is?

Personally I like Seoi Toshi, Uki OToshi, or Tai Otoshi.
What about you?

[Musubi Dojo]

Hane Maki Komi
Harai Goshi
Seio Otoshi
Ko soto gari
Tsuri komi goshi
Irimi nage

Cheers
c

[MasterAtArms]

Yes, Hani and Harai. Those are two great throws.

[STORMCROW34]

I like Osoto Gari because your average "camper" tends to backpedal and because it's the only throw I've ever tried to use in an encounter....and it worked beautifully. :D

[Webmaster]

Any throw that makes uke "bounce" off the tatami or concrete. :D

[Musubi Dojo]

Any throw that makes uke "bounce" off the tatami or concrete. :D

hehehe....evil.....hehehe

[tcomea2]

Any throw that makes uke "bounce" off the tatami or concrete. :D


BEEN THERE....

I like Ippon but mine needs alot of work.

[nishoy1]

Ippon Seoi Nage

[Koshu]

Two complementary throws I like are sumi-otoshi and uki-otoshi, since in a self-defense jujutsu context you can use these as complete throws or as transitions/set-ups to induce kuzushi then do something else. I've found them useful in the event I get tied up in a standing clinch. Plus, they allow both feet to remain on the ground, don't expose your back to the attacker, and can be effectively done on someone wearing or not wearing a dogi.

[Rasputin]

I don't like any of them. I have to bend my knees too much.

[Musubi Dojo]

I don't like any of them. I have to bend my knees too much.

Come on, you like irimi nage..... ;)

[Musubi Dojo]

Two complementary throws I like are sumi-otoshi and uki-otoshi, since in a self-defense jujutsu context you can use these as complete throws or as transitions/set-ups to induce kuzushi then do something else. I've found them useful in the event I get tied up in a standing clinch. Plus, they allow both feet to remain on the ground, don't expose your back to the attacker, and can be effectively done on someone wearing or not wearing a dogi.

Sumi otoshi I like, Uki otoshi escapes me entirely, probably because the kneeling doesn't work well for me and the timing has to be spot on.

Cheers
c

[Rasputin]

Mine tends to be pretty abrupt. All of that pivoting makes me see stars. Think more irimi, less nage :wink2:

[Musubi Dojo]

Mine tends to be pretty abrupt. All of that pivoting makes me see stars. Think more irimi, less nage :wink2:

I'm right there with you.

Short and ugly describes my technique as well as my appearance....:p

Cheers
c

[Patrick Hayes]

Mine tends to be pretty abrupt. All of that pivoting makes me see stars. Think more irimi, less nage :wink2:
I had a hell of a time with this when I tried to make the transition from jujutsu to aikido. I didn't want to spin uke around; the ground is down, and that's where I wanted uke to go.

As for favorite throws, I vote for tomoe-nage. That's fun!

[Bengel]

Harai Goshi

Seoi nage (Just coz you can slam someone 6 feet under)

O soto gari

O soto otoshi

Te guruma

Kiri otoshi (where uke lands on your knee with his back)

Kubi nage (the variation where you grab the head)
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in a judo randori or shiai: uchi mata (fast, very very fast throw provided it's propperly executed).

[Koshu]

Sumi otoshi I like, Uki otoshi escapes me entirely, probably because the kneeling doesn't work well for me and the timing has to be spot on.

Hey Chris --- This is filed within the "Jujutsu" forum, so we can set up the throws with atemi! :D Also, street version of uki-otoshi can be set up similar to street harai-goshi or tai-otoshi. If stuck in a standing clinch. grab two points on the bad guy and just go dead weight as you drop (don't have to go all the way to the knee many times -- as uke hits the ground, you're already set to engage the second attacker and use the guy you just dropped as a shield).

[Musubi Dojo]

Hey Chris --- This is filed within the "Jujutsu" forum, so we can set up the throws with atemi! :D Also, street version of uki-otoshi can be set up similar to street harai-goshi or tai-otoshi. If stuck in a standing clinch. grab two points on the bad guy and just go dead weight as you drop (don't have to go all the way to the knee many times -- as uke hits the ground, you're already set to engage the second attacker and use the guy you just dropped as a shield).

Ah yes, everything is easier if I'm allowed to mess him up first.....:laugh:

Thanks for the insight.

c

[RA Miller]

Technically, I'm partial to Nami gaeshi since it was the first full spine-lock throw I ever learned.

Rory

[Cliff Hargrave]

Not really what I call a favorite, but the one I have used the most on the street is Osotogari. Untrained folks are suckers for it and it makes a great "impact" on their will to fight :)

[Musubi Dojo]

Not really what I call a favorite, but the one I have used the most on the street is Osotogari. Untrained folks are suckers for it and it makes a great "impact" on their will to fight :)

Have you ever used a "reverse" o soto gari? You are standing beside the uke/suspect controling and arm and sweep his shin backwards while pushing down on the back on the neck. Uke face plants. Most amusing.

My buddy Glen did it by accident at the jail one night and then we played around with it in the dojo. I have no idea if it's an actual traditional technique.

Cheers
c

[Mekugi]

Any throw that makes uke "bounce" off the tatami or concrete. :D
:qft: Jeff, you've summed it up for me. I have nothing to add!

[Webmaster]

:qft: Jeff, you've summed it up for me. I have nothing to add!
Jeff is really much better looking Russ. I am surprised you cannot tell us apart. ;)

[Rasputin]

Jeff is really much better looking Russ. I am surprised you cannot tell us apart. ;)

All us Westerners look alike to Russ. ;)

[J4d3]

We do judo style randori in the jujutsu class I take. Usually if I get anything to work smoothly its a sacrifice technique like sumi gaeshi, tomoe nage, ura nage, or uki waza.

What I've noticed from randori is that the initial movement rarely, if ever, works. Its much harder to just throw someone if they aren't giving you any momentum or anything so the name of the game is to counter their attempts. So am I correct in thinking that a big part of randori is to bait your opponent into over committing on something so you can counter it? Please correct my line of thought as needed I'm a Jujutsu guy only about halfway to Shodan trying to better understand Judo.

[Mekugi]

Jeff is really much better looking Russ. I am surprised you cannot tell us apart. ;)


Uhoh....sorry about that. You two are so handsome, the verility gets confusing.

[Mekugi]

All us Westerners look alike to Russ. ;)

Yeah...that's right. I am so Japanese now I cannot tell you Westerners apart.

[Rasputin]

Kabukiman!

[Mekugi]

Kabukiman!

I am delighted and at the same time sickened that you know who that is. Kudos!

[Musubi Dojo]

Ok, I had to Google....

http://www.badmovies.org/movies/sgtkabuki/index.html

[James O'Neill]

Jade said: "What I've noticed from randori is that the initial movement rarely, if ever, works. Its much harder to just throw someone if they aren't giving you any momentum or anything so the name of the game is to counter their attempts. So am I correct in thinking that a big part of randori is to bait your opponent into over committing on something so you can counter it?..."

I don't know you or who you train with - you may just be up against people that totally outclass you all the time & everything you try gets 'stuffed' by superior opposition. If so you may just have to wait for the "New Guy" to come along before you can really develop your offense :laugh: - BTDT.

OTOH, that first part sounds like you may not be committing fully to "Entering" - whether due to fear of over-committing your weight or not drilling footwork enough possibly (?)...

When someone is playing neutral with their balance & trying to counter you, deception and timing are a big part of the answer IMO. That and a 110% commitment to Entering. You have to have the proper mindset...

Technique-wise, I would go with leg shoots, duck under and throw-by techniques... At a certain point you just have to decide you are going to take that dude (or dudette) down NOW and go for it. You need practice to develop your deception and timing. To paraphrase DJN Ji, the failed experiments are every bit as important as your eventual success. Indeed, you will learn more from them. So "GO FOR IT" dude :cool2:

[Abbax8]

De-Ashi-Harai
Harai-Goshi
O-Soto-Gari

Peace

Dennis

[Mekugi]

Ok, I had to Google....


http://www.badmovies.org/movies/sgtkabuki/sgtkabuki6.wav

[Musubi Dojo]

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDD...........:laugh: :laugh:

[Chris Wade]

I love the thump someone makes after being thrown by a nice Tai Otoshi or a Seio Otoshi.

[DokanDojo]

Left seoinage and te guruma!


Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

[Jarvis C. Kolen]

Uki Otoshi and Kubi Nage, these two throws work wonders for you in true self defense.

[pablo]

drop seoi nage dropping to knees under uke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! works great cos im tall so i dont have to worry bout getting my hips low!

[izzybig]

I would not say that their favorites but my most practiced jujitsu throws have to be tora nage, osotogari, ushiro nage.

[Bobby]

We dont use the japanese names at my club but we have something called a rice bail, does anyone know what that is? proberly not :smile: anyway its my favourite, that and the good old fashioned hip throw.

[starkjudo]

I would not say that their favorites but my most practiced jujitsu throws have to be tora nage, osotogari, ushiro nage.


Can you describe tora nage and ushiro nage? I'm not familiar with the names of those throws.

[Mekugi]

We dont use the japanese names at my club but we have something called a rice bail, does anyone know what that is? proberly not :smile: anyway its my favourite, that and the good old fashioned hip throw.

I believe you are talking about Tawara Gaeshi (http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/tawaragaeshi.htm) , correct? This is an old-old one from the original Kodokan Judo Gokyo!

[Mekugi]

Can you describe tora nage and ushiro nage? I'm not familiar with the names of those throws.

(adding on...) these ring a bell...are they from Danzan Ryu???

[Jose Garrido]

Rice Bail, hum this could be Tawara Gaeshi from old Judo.

Jose Garrido

[starkjudo]

Rice Bail, hum this could be Tawara Gaeshi from old Judo.

Jose Garrido

Old Judo? It's part of our syllabus and part of the currently accepted Kodokan throws.

[Bobby]

Yes very similar, only we grab around the neck instead of the waist.

[MasterAtArms]

(adding on...) these ring a bell...are they from Danzan Ryu???

Yes those throws are taught in Danzan Ryu Jujitsu

[Brian Dugger]

Any throw that makes uke "bounce" off the tatami or concrete. :D

Ah, only somebody that has trained with Jack, Ted, Jude, Todd Webre, Brian Lemoine, Alfredo, Myron etc... would say something so sadistic as this. Pardon me, now that I have stopped laughing, I will go and change my pants and underwear.

Irimi nage/koshi combo like Yamada and Ikeda do it.
A nice kote gaeshi combo with tai otoshi to the sh'te's knee.
A good tight sankajo combo with tai otoshi the way we do it at Jack's.
A nice tenkan into ma ude garami combo with koshi nage.
Aiki koshi nage kneeling at the center (Todd Webre).
-Last because I'm certain anyone would survive it, Yama arashi with the harai the way that Saigo Shiro is reported to have done it.:cry:

[Musubi Dojo]

Irimi nage/koshi combo like Yamada and Ikeda do it.
A nice kote gaeshi combo with tai otoshi to the sh'te's knee.
A good tight sankajo combo with tai otoshi the way we do it at Jack's.
A nice tenkan into ma ude garami combo with koshi nage.
Aiki koshi nage kneeling at the center (Todd Webre).
-Last because I'm certain anyone would survive it, Yama arashi with the harai the way that Saigo Shiro is reported to have done it.:cry:

That sounds postively sadistic. I love it!
c

[Brian Dugger]

That sounds postively sadistic. I love it!
c

I see, you trained with a "Jack and Uncle Ted", too!:rolleyes2

P.S. What brand of two-four?

[Musubi Dojo]

I see, you trained with a "Jack and Uncle Ted", too!:rolleyes2

P.S. What brand of two-four?

I've definately seen/felt/performed simmilar combinations. :D

"If uke screams, you did it right!" :up:

I used to drink export in large quantities and I never turned down a corona, but I'm strictly a coffee man these days.

[Brian Dugger]

I've definately seen/felt/performed simmilar combinations. :D

"If uke screams, you did it right!" :up:

I used to drink export in large quantities and I never turned down a corona, but I'm strictly a coffee man these days.

O.K. coffee. Perk or drip? Black or doctored?

[Musubi Dojo]

O.K. coffee. Perk or drip? Black or doctored?

Milk and 2 sugars, preferably from Tim Hortons.
Are we meeting for a coffee?:D
Come up here and I'll find some young foolish uke's to hurl around.

[Brian Dugger]

When we do, I'll remember. The people with whom we spend time eating and drinking speaks volumes on who we are as individuals.

[Musubi Dojo]

When we do, I'll remember. The people with whom we spend time eating and drinking speaks volumes on who we are as individuals.

Until then. :D

Cheers
c

[Brian Dugger]

Sumi otoshi I like, Uki otoshi escapes me entirely, probably because the kneeling doesn't work well for me and the timing has to be spot on.

Cheers
c

Chris, there's Kodokan Judo uki otoshi, then there is the Uki otoshi taught by Sanzo Seki->Skip Koepke & George Kirby (as depicted in his first book, the orange one). It shares a great similarity to the maki komi you previously listed on favorites. It is extremely excellent for coutnering ippon seio nage and high centered Ogoshi/koshi nage and setting up for a good ground finish. This particular uki otoshi is an excellent tool to teach the elusive concept of timing, no timing principle in waza. One of the gokyu at the time preparing for yonkyu looked at this throw and said, "Win big or lose big, huh?":up:

[Musubi Dojo]

Chris, there's Kodokan Judo uki otoshi, then there is the Uki otoshi taught by Sanzo Seki->Skip Koepke & George Kirby (as depicted in his first book, the orange one). It shares a great similarity to the maki komi you previously listed on favorites. It is extremely excellent for coutnering ippon seio nage and high centered Ogoshi/koshi nage and setting up for a good ground finish. This particular uki otoshi is an excellent tool to teach the elusive concept of timing, no timing principle in waza. One of the gokyu at the time preparing for yonkyu looked at this throw and said, "Win big or lose big, huh?":up:

Mert was alluding to something like that earlier. My mind was stuck in the kodakon judo kata definition.

Do you know where there's any video clips or illustration of techniques you are describing?

The Uki O'toshi here is interesting. http://www.jitsucanada.com/gallery/movies.html

This page belongs to friends of mine. Our groups cross train once in a while. The are big believers in pain as motivation. :D

Cheers
c

[Brian Dugger]

Do you know where there's any video clips or illustration of techniques you are describing?

Yeah, George Kirby's first book.



The Uki O'toshi here is interesting. http://www.jitsucanada.com/gallery/movies.html

This page belongs to friends of mine. Our groups cross train once in a while. The are big believers in pain as motivation. :D

Cheers
c

This waza has a nice ura? ude garami/ura? hiji ate with the traditional Kodokan Judo uki otoshi. I'll bet that elbow hurts like the blazes before the uke takes that tobukemi.:clapping: The uki otoshi to which I am refering is like a cross between a sode or karada makikomi on the arm and yoko wakare, but the tori does the sacrifice throw with hips landing at the uke's feet in the front not to the side. Oh, and the other arm wraps around the shoulders, head and neck. If the guy is not good at ukemi, he gets his face, top of the head or back of the neck pile-drived. As Jack would say, "Oh, it'll bum out his day!"

[Musubi Dojo]

Yeah, George Kirby's first book.

I don't actually have any of Kirby's Stuff. Thanks for the excuse to go shopping. :D




This waza has a nice ura? ude garami/ura? hiji ate with the traditional Kodokan Judo uki otoshi. I'll bet that elbow hurts like the blazes before the uke takes that tobukemi.:clapping: The uki otoshi to which I am refering is like a cross between a sode or karada makikomi on the arm and yoko wakare, but the tori does the sacrifice throw with hips landing at the uke's feet in the front not to the side. Oh, and the other arm wraps around the shoulders, head and neck. If the guy is not good at ukemi, he gets his face, top of the head or back of the neck pile-drived. As Jack would say, "Oh, it'll bum out his day!"

I can't speak to my friend's technique, I've never seen it performed live. Just pulled up the video for comparison.

What you are describing is brutal, wind in tying him up and drop like a rock in front of him. SPLAT. I love it!! :D

Cheers
c

[drivica]

My favorites and tokui:
1) De ashi barai (harai)
2) O guruma
3) Left soto maki komi
4) Tani otoshi

[Brian Dugger]

My favorites and tokui: . . . .
3) Left soto maki komi

Admittedly, if I were thrown from the left side with this, I would have retrieve my pants from my ankles after the surprise.:eek:


4) Tani otoshi

I'm very intrigued by this one. I've looked at it in Kuzazo Kudo's manual, but haven't had the opportunity to learn it from a really good judoka.:frown:

[Webmaster]

I'm very intrigued by this one. I've looked at it in Kuzazo Kudo's manual, but haven't had the opportunity to learn it from a really good judoka.:frown:
You haven't asked Brian. It's one of my favs!

[Brian Dugger]

You haven't asked Brian. It's one of my favs!

Uh, oh! I have a feeling in about two months, I'm gonna have a "laying of hands" experience.:embarrass

Oh, and I have another premonition that there is gonna' be mor-n-one bounce.

[Webmaster]

Uh, oh! I have a feeling in about two months, I'm gonna have a "laying of hands" experience.:embarrass

Oh, and I have another premonition that there is gonna' be mor-n-one bounce.
I am sure that you will.... enjoy it. Yeah, that's it! :D

Actually, ask Jack sometime what I did to some poor Kuk Sool Won guys with Tani Otoshi. :eek:

[Soke Skip]

Brian I have a favorite small throw:laugh: I call it a Atama-Harai-Makikomi.
I was taught this by Hayward Nishioka and Judo Gene. By the way ask
Robert what it feels like to land.
skip

[Webmaster]

By the way ask Robert what it feels like to land.
skip
It starts out with the sensation of being shot from a cannon and like a cannon projectile, it ends with a bang.

[Koshu]

It starts out with the sensation of being shot from a cannon and like a cannon projectile, it ends with a bang.
Robert-san --- I'm on to you -- I sense more "pirate" and "grapeshot" approaching, and another thread falling prey to the scourges of the high seas!

Skip Sensei --- I'm tempted to Google the Atama-Harai-Makikomi, but given what each of the name's components translate into (references to ashi and even hiza don't give me chills like seeing atama in the name of a throw), I'll just pray I survive it in the event you unveil it next month in Raleigh!

Brian --- I don't know about you, but Tani-Otoshi is the throw that made me understand why sensei says "tuck your head" during nage-waza!

[Brian Dugger]

Robert-san --- I'm on to you -- I sense more "pirate" and "grapeshot" approaching, and another thread falling prey to the scourges of the high seas!

Hey, hey, hey, we can't start into any 24 this early in the day. Just leave Jack Sparrow, Capt'n Barbosa and Davey Jones at the other thread until I get some peanut butter Cap'n Crunch down for breakfast.

Boy, I can see some anxiety building over the next two months. Robert, Skip, and now possibly Mert.:o

[Bengel]

Brian I have a favorite small throw:laugh: I call it a Atama-Harai-Makikomi.
I was taught this by Hayward Nishioka and Judo Gene. By the way ask
Robert what it feels like to land.
skip

Atama = head; face; hair

Harai = Sweep

Maki-komi = Winding

Sounds painful and thus very interesting. Care to give a description on how to execute this one?

[drivica]

Tani otoshi is the most common counter-technique for opponents who attack wih hip throws or arm throws such as seoi nage. As for left Soto maki komi, it is done as a surprise change of guard: you initiate from right guard, then replace your guard, and while your oponent is still in right guard, you pivot and lay down on his left upper arm. This is more a takedown than a throw, and it is not actually so pure sotomakikomi. But works very well. I would not use it as a tokui if it were too hard, I am lazy in randori and I like easy solutions :)

Greetings.

[Brian Dugger]

. . . But works very well. I would not use it as a tokui if it were too hard, I am lazy in randori and I like easy solutions :)

Greetings.


Here, here!:e-lol1:

[Koshu]

Atama = head; face; hair

Harai = Sweep

Maki-komi = Winding

Sounds painful and thus very interesting. Care to give a description on how to execute this one?
Dennis --- My teacher says he recalls Skip Sensei demonstrating this technique. He said he'd demonstrate it if I volunteer to be the rice bag -- stay tuned!

[izzybig]

Can you describe tora nage and ushiro nage? I'm not familiar with the names of those throws.

Oh no, i am very sorry for that, i was reading up on something when i replied to this and i actually stopped reading to reply to this on the word tora. i hope that explains why i wrote tora nage :o

I actually meant to put yama arashi, i do apologise for this mistake and if you check you private messages it will explain ushiro nage with drawing illustrations if you want them.

[Brian Dugger]

. . .I actually meant to put yama arashi, i do apologise for this mistake and if you check you private messages it will explain ushiro nage with drawing illustrations if you want them.

Yama arashi. I've seen at least three different interpretations of this. To which are you referring?

[izzybig]

Yama arashi. I've seen at least three different interpretations of this. To which are you referring?

Oh i'm sorry, the one where Tori puts right hand against Uke's right chest.

If you visit this website, it can explain the technique in more detail, as i am still fairly new in jujitsu.

http://www.kodokan.org/e_waza/yamaarashi.html

The one i am trying to perfect is (type 1).

[Bobby]

Any move which i can slam my oponent down on the mat really hard :D

[Wreckedlumbar]

Shomen-ate

Kote-gaeshi

(Both from Tomiki-based aikido).

O-soto-gari

I list these three because they have actually worked for me outside the dojo.

I also like Hane-goshi & its makikomi & obi-grip variations, & Tomoe-nage, but have not used them outside of a dojo.

Jeff Slade