Hillary will kill the country

[mjd]

I have no issuses seeing a women in the white house equality is equality, but Hillary is not the woman EVER!!!

[Webmaster]

I have no issuses seeing a women in the white house equality is equality, but Hillary is not the woman EVER!!!
She's a woman? I thought Hillary was a evil psycho creature from hell.

[Eliz]

She's a woman? I thought Hillary was a evil psycho creature from hell.

:laugh: :laugh:

That is beautiful, Robert. You just made my day! You do owe me another coffee though..... ;)

[Ramirez]

You fancy her Robert!:laugh:

Actually I can't see her winning, she is too polarizing a figure, if anything is going to drive the undecided to the Republicans it will be her.

[Brian Dugger]

She's a woman? I thought Hillary was a evil psycho creature from hell.
:e-lol1: Could be worse than hellspawn. Could be Oprah, Pelosi, Barbara Walters. I'm not a 'Billary' advocate, I just thinking the New Yorkers weren't very wise in electing her as Senator. It's a shame, I've been wondering why she didn't try to run for an office out of Arkansas. Oh, I forgot--one Clinton was enough. I still swear that along with her makeover in 1991, she had a sex change.

[Rasputin]

No love here for the Wicked Witch of the East (nee South).

[Mark Barlow]

I'm thinking of supporting an Oprah/Rosie O'Donnell ticket in 2008. If we can figure a way to work in a handicapped Eskimo dwarf, we've got a winner...at least in New York and Massachussets.:laugh:

[rouse]

We should ask Dick Morris about Robert’s assessment of Hillary. I’d bet he say Robert was extremely kind, as he knows what she’s like behind the scenes.:hot: :hot:

Too bad she’s so ashamed of her last name to use it.:o

One thing for sure is the wagon riders love her. Problem is it’s get to the point that there aren’t enough of us pulling it.:frown:

Johnnie Rouse

[Webmaster]

You fancy her Robert!:laugh:
Yeah, sure. I also like sticking my nose against a bench grinder too. :eek:

[rouse]

It aint your nose that will get skined if she is elected.:eek:

Johnnie Rouse

[Cliff Hargrave]

Unfortunately she will probably be elected. I just can't see the Republicans fielding anyone right now that can pull votes. Maybe someone will pop up, but it looks bleak.

She will probably do what Bill did, and swing both houses back to the Republicans and pave the way for a Republican president after her.

[sean_stonehart]

My wife is threatening to ex-pat if Billary wins. Right now she's ok with Obama, but if Billary goes... I might end up somewhere cold with ham that's called bacon and antifreeze passed off as beer ...:cry: :fear: :fear:

[Cliff Hargrave]

I just don't see the Republicans fielding anyone that can pull the votes right now. The had better come up with someone that is charismatic and distanced from Bush. McCain and Giuliani are not it.

[Mark Barlow]

My wife is threatening to ex-pat if Billary wins. Right now she's ok with Obama, but if Billary goes... I might end up somewhere cold with ham that's called bacon and antifreeze passed off as beer ...:cry: :fear: :fear:

I noticed all of the Hollywood fashionistas who swore they were packing to leave if Bush won are still in their mansions. Truth be told, the idea of Hillary in office makes a nice little grass hut in the islands look better and better.

Who knows, 2009 may find a lot of us as ex-pats meeting for lunch on Sunday to watch the NFL in Sydney or some other sunny clime. I hope not but it would beat living in another Clinton regime.

[Rasputin]

Alec Baldwin threatened to leave if Bush was elected. Guess the money was just too good here.

[Mark Barlow]

Alec Baldwin threatened to leave if Bush was elected. Guess the money was just too good here.
Barbra Streisand did too.

[Brian Dugger]

I'm thinking of supporting an Oprah/Rosie O'Donnell ticket in 2008. If we can figure a way to work in a handicapped Eskimo dwarf, we've got a winner...at least in New York and Massachussets.:laugh:

Oh, your demented.:clapping:

[Ramirez]

Guess the money was just too good here.

Not so sure about that, I don't recall him in much recently.

[sean_stonehart]

Not so sure about that, I don't recall him in much recently.

"30 Rock" on NBC... just won a Golden Globe for it.

Fortunately since I'm a IT slave, I can find work most anywhere knowing the right technology. Alec Baldwin & Babs have little to offer & really prefer the tax breaks they get from the people who they threatened to leave over.

Bugger'em both...

I'm with Mark... warm, southern, & cerveza fria for Superbowl Sunday for beachside viewing.

Maybe not Aussie for me though.... snakes, spiders, sharks... not looking to good for me.

[Mark Barlow]

Not so sure about that, I don't recall him in much recently.

He's on some comedy on NBC, I think. I don't watch network tv so I could be wrong about which network but I do recall reading a couple of reviews and an article on him throwing massive hissy fits on the set.

It's amazing how success in one area leads some folks to think they are competent in all areas. It's the only explanation I can come up with for Warren Beatty, Sean Penn, Baldwin, Streisand, etc...believing that I give a rat's hind quarters about their opinions on politics/war/economy. Besides, I never make a move without checking with Paris Hilton.:laugh:

[Mark Barlow]

Maybe not Aussie for me though.... snakes, spiders, sharks... not looking to good for me.

No sweat, I've got a place in Tobago all picked out. Incredible scenery, great food, beautiful women (if my wife ever reads this, I'm just enjoying the view), warm and friendly natives and some of the best fishing and scuba in the world.

[Brian Dugger]

He's on some comedy on NBC, I think. I don't watch network tv so I could be wrong about which network but I do recall reading a couple of reviews and an article on him throwing massive hissy fits on the set.

It's amazing how success in one area leads some folks to think they are competent in all areas. It's the only explanation I can come up with for Warren Beatty, Sean Penn, Baldwin, Streisand, etc...believing that I give a rat's hind quarters about their opinions on politics/war/economy. Besides, I never make a move without checking with Paris Hilton.:laugh:

:e-lol1: Mark, you might want to consult Michael Richards as well, since we're being serious about decisions based on opinions.:laugh:

[sean_stonehart]

No sweat, I've got a place in Tobago all picked out. Incredible scenery, great food, beautiful women (if my wife ever reads this, I'm just enjoying the view), warm and friendly natives and some of the best fishing and scuba in the world.

SOLD......

[Mark Barlow]

:e-lol1: Mark, you might want to consult Michael Richards as well, since we're being serious about decisions based on opinions.:laugh:
If Paris is busy, I've always got Britney to rely on. With mental marvels like these to lead me, how can I fail? And the best thing about getting advice from Paris? It's hot!:laugh:

[dao]

Unfortunately she will probably be elected. I just can't see the Republicans fielding anyone right now that can pull votes. Maybe someone will pop up, but it looks bleak.

She will probably do what Bill did, and swing both houses back to the Republicans and pave the way for a Republican president after her.


Nyah. She's too devisive within the Democratic party to win the nomination. Too much baggage. My prediction the nominee will be a non-white male, maybe Obama but I think it'll be a "dark-horse" that nobody has heard of yet.

[Mark Barlow]

Nyah. She's too devisive within the Democratic party to win the nomination. Too much baggage. My prediction the nominee will be a non-white male, maybe Obama but I think it'll be a "dark-horse" that nobody has heard of yet.

Was that an unintended pun?

Rush Limbaugh (God help me, I do listen to him but I'm not a dittohead, I swear!) read an article that said the reason Obama is so attractive to voters is that he is the son of an African immigrant and therefore doesn't carry all the package of slavery, civil rights, etc.

[dao]

It was an intended pun :D

Actually I think our next president will be a hispanic male. I have absolutely no basis for this and nobody in mind. It's just a hunch.

[Cliff Hargrave]

Nyah. She's too devisive within the Democratic party to win the nomination. Too much baggage. My prediction the nominee will be a non-white male, maybe Obama but I think it'll be a "dark-horse" that nobody has heard of yet.

No way, the Clinton machine is way too powerful. It chews up and spits out it's enemies.

Obama is just there to make Hillary look moderate and give the impression that an actual race is going on.

Latest Dem poll numbers:

Hillary Clinton 41%
Barack Obama 17%
John Edwards 11%
Al Gore 10%
John Kerry 8%
Joe Biden 3%
Wesley Clark 1%
Bill Richardson 1%
Dennis Kucinich 1%

Repubs:

Rudy Giuliani 34%
John McCain 27%
Mitt Romney 9%
Newt Gingrich 9%
George Pataki 2%
Sam Brownback 1%
Jim Gilmore 1%
Mike Huckabee 1%
Ron Paul 1%
Tom Tancredo 1%
Tommy Thompson 1%

[Cliff Hargrave]

Was that an unintended pun?

Rush Limbaugh (God help me, I do listen to him but I'm not a dittohead, I swear!) read an article that said the reason Obama is so attractive to voters is that he is the son of an African immigrant and therefore doesn't carry all the package of slavery, civil rights, etc.

Funny thing, a lot of the so called "black" leaders are not embracing him because he isn't "black" enough. He was basically raised by his rich, white mother so he hasn't experienced what it's like to be "black."

[dao]

Her position is a lot like Newt's. She's too tied to the past. Polls are pretty meaningless now - the election is coming but, still a long way off.

[Ramirez]

Funny thing, a lot of the so called "black" leaders are not embracing him because he isn't "black" enough. He was basically raised by his rich, white mother so he hasn't experienced what it's like to be "black."

You have got to be joking....not black enough? I guess the irony of how racist that is escapes them.

There was a war fought with a little mad man with a moustache who thought that certain people were not "white" enough. Ah well those who ignore history are condemned to....you know the rest.

[Brian Dugger]

You have got to be joking....not black enough? I guess the irony of how racist that is escapes them.

That's just it, Mark. Election on a vote by the populace. We had another thread regarding stupidity of the masses/people remember?:wink2:

Well, I'm not going to Paris for advice. It'll be Shilpa, if we're basing things on hotness.

[Webmaster]

You have got to be joking....not black enough? I guess the irony of how racist that is escapes them.
Just to clarify, Rush did not write the article concern Obama, but it was authored by a Black woman columnist. If I can find the article, I will post a link.

[Ramirez]

That's just it, Mark. Election on a vote by the populace. We had another thread regarding stupidity of the masses/people remember?:wink2:

Well, I'm not going to Paris for advice. It'll be Shilpa, if we're basing things on hotness.

All right, Brian and I are putting forward a Shilpa/Paris ticket.

[Brian Dugger]

All right, Brian and I are putting forward a Shilpa/Paris ticket.
Yeah, why not. It has as much chance as Oprah/Rosie that Barlow purposed, except for the midget thing.:wink2: Hey! The way this is going, it could Emmanuel Lewis and Gary Coleman, right?:laugh:

[Bugeisha]

That's just it, Mark. Election on a vote by the populace. We had another thread regarding stupidity of the masses/people remember?:wink2:

Well, I'm not going to Paris for advice. It'll be Shilpa, if we're basing things on hotness.

"Democracy is the replacement of rule by the corrupt few for rule by the incompetent many."

[Ramirez]

No sweat, I've got a place in Tobago all picked out. Incredible scenery, great food, beautiful women (if my wife ever reads this, I'm just enjoying the view), warm and friendly natives and some of the best fishing and scuba in the world.

Tobago eh? My family is originally from the twin island states of Trinidad and Tobago (well by way of Hong Kong and Portugal).

Let me know next time you go, we can enjoy a shark and bake on the beach together.

[Mark Barlow]

Tobago eh? My family is originally from the twin island states of Trinidad and Tobago (well by way of Hong Kong and Portugal).

Let me know next time you go, we can enjoy a shark and bake on the beach together.

How's the end of July look to you? :wink2: If plans go like I hope, you can also get in some great training in Jujutsu. We're working on an Akayama Ryu Camp and I'm hoping to drag along some incredibly talented Judoka.

[Mark Barlow]

Just to clarify, Rush did not write the article concern Obama, but it was authored by a Black woman columnist. If I can find the article, I will post a link.

You're right. That's why I clarified it by saying he read the article. Rush's rants tend to be more stream-of-conciousness, not the well thoughout ideas that were in this article.

[mjd]

OK now that everyone has come to a mutual agreement that we hate the ***** how do we spread the word and keep her out of the W/house

[basher]

I for one can't wait till Hillary is in office. She is very intelligent and will put our country on track again after the Republicans have almost totally destroyed our country.

It's long in coming (female Pres).

So, have fun wherever you guys move to (I'm sure they have trailer parks all over the world...)

[Dennis Monk]

I for one can't wait till Hillary is in office. She is very intelligent and will put our country on track again after the Republicans have almost totally destroyed our country.
It's long in coming (female Pres).
So, have fun wherever you guys move to (I'm sure they have trailer parks all over the world...)
Sure, enjoy your exploding social welfare system and I'll start decorating the old "double wide" right now.
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[basher]

Sure, enjoy your exploding social welfare system and I'll start decorating the old "double wide" right now.
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Invite me! I do like mac n' cheese mixed with hot dogs. :toast:

[Dennis Monk]

Invite me! I do like mac n' cheese mixed with hot dogs. :toast:
Sorry, Billary supporting leftists are not invited to the weiner roast. :laugh:

[basher]

Sorry, Billary supporting leftists are not invited to the weiner roast. :laugh:

Oh, you'd like to meet me and especially my "domestic partner", she's a member of the Communist Party (I'm not joking). I've voted Dem my entire life, pro choice, and she still thinks I'm a right wing neanderthal like you guys! Sometimes ya just can't win....

[DragonMind]

She's a woman? I thought Hillary was a evil psycho creature from hell.
Robert, you're being redundant. ;)

[David Craik]

I wonder how long it would be before the first assassination attempt?

[TonyU]

If anyone is so inclined you can join me in Dominican Republic. We would live like kings.
Let me know I got hooks. :D

[elder999]

She won't get the nomination. The convention is more than a year away, guys. Remember how Dean was leading in the primaries and polls? We should have a betting pool on her "Howard Dean moment." She's bound to say something horrible between now and the primaries, as the tension and pressure of campaigning start to build. Just wait 'til Al Gore declares :why do you think Kerry said he wasn't going to run today, anyway?:up: Aside from being a lameass wimp...:laugh:

[Cliff Hargrave]

... after the Republicans have almost totally destroyed our country.



So just how exactly has the country been destroyed? Other than Iraq, which is debatable, everything else seems to be just fine. The economy is great, everything seems to be the same as it always has been, people wake up live their lives, go to sleep, and do it all over again. So where is the destroyed part of the country? I need to know so I can avoid it.


Oh, you'd like to meet me and especially my "domestic partner", she's a member of the Communist Party (I'm not joking). I've voted Dem my entire life, pro choice, and she still thinks I'm a right wing neanderthal like you guys! Sometimes ya just can't win....

There is a difference? :wink2:

[Webmaster]

I wonder how long it would be before the first assassination attempt?
As much as I dislike the woman, I sincerely hope that we do not come to that. We do not need our electoral process reduced to something like certain third-world countries (of course we are already there here in Louisiana).

[Dennis Monk]

She's bound to say something horrible between now and the primaries
Or something incredibly stupid like, "I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president." which she already said once.

[basher]

Other than Iraq, which is debatable, everything else seems to be just fine.

:lmao4:
...

[Mark Barlow]

Everyone should feel free to express their opinion but let's not allow this to degenerate into wishing harm on anyone. That's what makes this country great, we can disagree and not try to frag the leadership.

[GRWMMAolddude]

So just how exactly has the country been destroyed? Other than Iraq, which is debatable, everything else seems to be just fine. The economy is great, everything seems to be the same as it always has been, people wake up live their lives, go to sleep, and do it all over again. So where is the destroyed part of the country? I need to know so I can avoid it.


Got to agree with this. At least in LA, with the exception of the continued tragic solder deaths in Iraq, thing seem very good. Interesting to see how Hillary's position shifted. She supported the resolution "with conviction" (http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html) to allow military action for exactly the reasons we attacked. Once we (the President representing us, the people) decided war was the only recourse (see the text of her speech for justification) we launched into it to win. Must be she now feels the problem was not the initial decision (which she supported) but the execution. It's very easy to be on the sidelines and criticize the folks "in the game".

[basher]

Everyone should feel free to express their opinion but let's not allow this to degenerate into wishing harm on anyone. That's what makes this country great, we can disagree and not try to frag the leadership.

Yes, Mark--that's really why I decided to even post on this thread--try to counter the hate with a little humor. Looks like this forum leans heavily to the right--that's fine as long as people accept other's views. :violin:

[elder999]

Looks like this forum leans heavily to the right--

Ya think?:laugh:


For the most part, those on the "right" here are fairly accepting....

[Webmaster]

Ya think?:laugh:


For the most part, those on the "right" here are fairly accepting....
We are, but just not the tinfoil hat :tinfoil2: crowd. :crazy:

[DaNinjew]

So just how exactly has the country been destroyed? Other than Iraq, which is debatable, everything else seems to be just fine. The economy is great, everything seems to be the same as it always has been, people wake up live their lives, go to sleep, and do it all over again. So where is the destroyed part of the country? I need to know so I can avoid it.


Hi Cliff,
Let me help you out with this one...the economy isn't so great, just depends on your perspective. If you're at the upper 10% its great. Under the current administration gasoline prices have almost doubled for most of the country. Housing prices have sky rocketed so now the median home in my neck of the woods costs just mere 500K. Did I mention interest rates have gone up continuously under this administration? I think that effects costs of your mortgage or student loans etc.

Our national debt has almost doubled to the tune of 5 Trillion dollars, some of my Republican friends like to say 'so what' who is going to make us pay? We just won't pay it when they call in all those bonds...well then thats when a little thing called devaluation takes over, the world says the dollar isn't worth the paper its printed on so if you wanna buy our widgets they now cost 3x the normal amount. More and more of our tax dollars just go to pay the interest on that debt and won't available to help deal with those little tidbits called social security and medicare. That won't be fun. Additionally because the Republicans fought against forcing American auto makers to improve gas effeciency or find alternative fuel sources GM has just been overtaken by Toyota in the Big 3 and GM is laying off thousands of good paying Jobs.

There are two specific areas of our country that were/are physically destroyed, one is called New Orleans, the other is called Manhattan. Now I'm aware that this administration didn't directly cause either one but has basicly ignored New Orleans, and still hasn't caught the indivdual responsible for 9/11and chose to ignore the threats given to them about this dangerous adversary pre 9/11. It has actually put us in position for continued warfare with no end in sight. See Iraq. Bonus material: The administration has chosen not to deal with either Iran's or North Korea's nuclear ambitions (other than whine about them) and has given these countries 6 more years to develop their weapons programs, making it more dangerous for us. Because of our "go it alone" attitude we now can't garner the international support to deal with them.

On to Illegal immigration: Since the Republicans don't want to deal with this issue, millions of illegal immigrants poor into the country driving down wages, just ask anyone in construction, causing huge stresses on the educational and medical system becuase most of them are uninsured, the hospitals push the costs onto the insured driving up our premiums and causing other businesses not to insure their employees because it costs too much.

Now I know what you're thinking....its really Clinton's fault. Resist the urge my friend.

[Cliff Hargrave]

Hi Cliff,
Let me help you out with this one...the economy isn't so great, just depends on your perspective. If you're at the upper 10% its great.

I am not even close to the upper 10%. The upper 10% is always doing good, that is why they are up there. Class warfare will not change that.


Under the current administration gasoline prices have almost doubled for most of the country.

Cyclical. What were the gas prices under Carter again? When was the last time we had two major gulf hurricanes while we were fighting a war in the middle east? All that with skittish speculators jumping at any chance to adjust prices. Is the president supposed to create price controls? Last I checked that wasn't capitolism.



Housing prices have sky rocketed so now the median home in my neck of the woods costs just mere 500K.

Another cyclical thing, that is specific to certain areas. What was that $500K house before? $375K? Not many lower middle class workers are going to afford that one either. So a house out of their price range went up higher. Doesn't mean anything when you couldn't buy to begin with. Someone is buying them though. So that means a larger segment of the population if doing better than before, and certainly not the top 10%.


Did I mention interest rates have gone up continuously under this administration? I think that effects costs of your mortgage or student loans etc.

Again, should the president artificially set interest rates now too? Wow that sure is a lot of responsibility for a free market. Another cyclical thing. Interest rates had a good run of being extremely low for a long time. What was the prime during Carter?


Our national debt has almost doubled to the tune of 5 Trillion dollars, some of my Republican friends like to say 'so what' who is going to make us pay? We just won't pay it when they call in all those bonds...well then thats when a little thing called devaluation takes over, the world says the dollar isn't worth the paper its printed on so if you wanna buy our widgets they now cost 3x the normal amount. More and more of our tax dollars just go to pay the interest on that debt and won't available to help deal with those little tidbits called social security and medicare.

So what? I remember folks saying the same thing during Reagan and Bush I. It always gets paid.


That won't be fun. Additionally because the Republicans fought against forcing American auto makers to improve gas effeciency or find alternative fuel sources GM has just been overtaken by Toyota in the Big 3 and GM is laying off thousands of good paying Jobs.

Ok, wait a minute...That has to be the silliest thing you have said yet. The government didn't force GM to change, now GM is laying off because of competition from Toyota? So the government is also supposed to force private business to be more competitive? It's a free market!!!!!!!!!


There are two specific areas of our country that were/are physically destroyed, one is called New Orleans, the other is called Manhattan.

Do you have the amount of money that has been thrown out on those things?
The Feds give money, the local governments spend it. So how is it the Feds fault that the local Louisiana government hasn't done what they should?


Now I'm aware that this administration didn't directly cause either one


But if you listen to the left, Bush sent Katrina to kill black people and 9/11 was done by the CIA.



...but has basicly ignored New Orleans,

Again, do you have the amount? how much means ignored and how much means not ignored? What is the magic number? Also for comparison, where in our history has something as bad as 9/11 or Katrina happened? How do we know if the response is better or worse?




and still hasn't caught the indivdual responsible for 9/11

Killed or captured most of the AlQueada leadership and thousands of their terrorists.


and chose to ignore the threats given to them about this dangerous adversary pre 9/11.

Tinfoil hat time. Yea I guess we should have invaded Afganistan during the first 9 months of Bushes term since all Clinton did was shoot a rocket into an empty tent.


It has actually put us in position for continued warfare with no end in sight.

So Bush is responsible for radical Islam? Last I checked it goes back a little farther. If you would like I would be glad to start a thread about that.



See Iraq. Bonus material: The administration has chosen not to deal with either Iran's or North Korea's nuclear ambitions (other than whine about them) and has given these countries 6 more years to develop their weapons programs, making it more dangerous for us.

So we should have invaded them too? I thought you guys were anti-war?



Because of our "go it alone" attitude we now can't garner the international support to deal with them.

We have tons of international support dealing with Iran and North Korea. The so called "go it alone" thing was on Iraq. I guess those other countries with us don't count though since it wasn't the UN.


On to Illegal immigration: Since the Republicans don't want to deal with this issue, millions of illegal immigrants poor into the country driving down wages, just ask anyone in construction, causing huge stresses on the educational and medical system becuase most of them are uninsured, the hospitals push the costs onto the insured driving up our premiums and causing other businesses not to insure their employees because it costs too much.

Good thing there wasn't anyone crossing the border prior to Bush getting elected.

Now, once again I ask, how has the country been destroyed?

[David Craik]

Everyone should feel free to express their opinion but let's not allow this to degenerate into wishing harm on anyone. That's what makes this country great, we can disagree and not try to frag the leadership.

I never wished harm on anyone. I said I wonder how long it might be, as I consider it a possibility since she is very polarizing and the world is loaded with nutjobs. Not as much a possibility as if Jesse Jackson were elected though.

[mjd]

She won't get the nomination. The convention is more than a year away, guys. Remember how Dean was leading in the primaries and polls? We should have a betting pool on her "Howard Dean moment." She's bound to say something horrible between now and the primaries, as the tension and pressure of campaigning start to build. Just wait 'til Al Gore declares :why do you think Kerry said he wasn't going to run today, anyway?:up: Aside from being a lameass wimp...:laugh:


Just like Kennedy after killed his peice on the side on the cape, but he is still in office and we can't gt rid of him some 30 years later???

Hillary is smart yes, and what party someone is should not matter it should be what that person is all about not the party they are part of. Hillary is far worse than anyone that has ever sat in the w/house before now.
!!!!
I think we would be all better off if all ran independent and no parties at all you vote on each persons merits and ethics (oh I guess that word can't be used when talking about politicians).

We could all vote for CRYING KERR

[sean_stonehart]

If anyone is so inclined you can join me in Dominican Republic. We would live like kings.
Let me know I got hooks. :D

I'll call you for the digits & address once the election is over...

That way I can jump between Mark's Tabago get-a-way & a DR retreat... nice....

Why don't a group of us get together & just take over Belize? It's not that big & we could probably get it without a fight. Beach front property, jungle land.... I can see myself on a dollar bill!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Mark Barlow]

Why don't a group of us get together & just take over Belize? It's not that big & we could probably get it without a fight. Beach front property, jungle land.... I can see myself on a dollar bill!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

It's nice enough but the neighborhood is going to he11 quickly.

[Mark Barlow]

I never wished harm on anyone. I said I wonder how long it might be, as I consider it a possibility since she is very polarizing and the world is loaded with nutjobs. Not as much a possibility as if Jesse Jackson were elected though.

I didn't point a finger at anyone, just urged continued civility.

[jaberwoky123]

I wonder how long it would be before the first assassination attempt?


WOW!!!...funny I was thinking the same EXACT thing as soon as I heard of her nomination.....guess most of us Military guys think alike...I was USAF 10 years...8 during the OTHER Clinton...really BAD times to be in the Military by the way......:mad:

[jaberwoky123]

As much as I dislike the woman, I sincerely hope that we do not come to that. We do not need our electoral process reduced to something like certain third-world countries (of course we are already there here in Louisiana).

Totally agree, it isn't a hope, just the way things happen and are likely to happen...some nut case will read Gone with the Wind and decide Scarlett O'Hara told him/her that Hillary has to die....

[Brian Dugger]

I for one can't wait till Hillary is in office. She is very intelligent and will put our country on track again after the Republicans have almost totally destroyed our country....

Yeah, she's intelligent. For the last 20-25 years the state of Arkansas' education system and their children have suffered due to some of her intelligent decisions, not to mention the fact the Chelsey didn't have to endure the rest of seventh grade to high school dealing with those 'intelligent' decisions. We did as residents of Arkansas, not New York.


It's long in coming (female Pres).....

This statement is inevitable. Nothing profound, I'd rather it wasn't someone like Billary or Pelosi.


So, have fun wherever you guys move to (I'm sure they have trailer parks all over the world...)

This was uncalled for because some folks do not have a choice but to call it home. Btw, I happen to like hot dogs and cheese n mac too.:cool:

[jaberwoky123]

:lmao4:
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can you elaborate on how Republicans have "totally destroyed our country"....what Country are you living in? ...it can't possibly be the US. You now pay less taxes than you have in 10 years, there are jobs everywhere you look...things don't seem all that destroyed to me.....

[jaberwoky123]

I am not even close to the upper 10%. The upper 10% is always doing good, that is why they are up there. Class warfare will not change that.



Cyclical. What were the gas prices under Carter again? When was the last time we had two major gulf hurricanes while we were fighting a war in the middle east? All that with skittish speculators jumping at any chance to adjust prices. Is the president supposed to create price controls? Last I checked that wasn't capitolism.




Another cyclical thing, that is specific to certain areas. What was that $500K house before? $375K? Not many lower middle class workers are going to afford that one either. So a house out of their price range went up higher. Doesn't mean anything when you couldn't buy to begin with. Someone is buying them though. So that means a larger segment of the population if doing better than before, and certainly not the top 10%.



Again, should the president artificially set interest rates now too? Wow that sure is a lot of responsibility for a free market. Another cyclical thing. Interest rates had a good run of being extremely low for a long time. What was the prime during Carter?



So what? I remember folks saying the same thing during Reagan and Bush I. It always gets paid.



Ok, wait a minute...That has to be the silliest thing you have said yet. The government didn't force GM to change, now GM is laying off because of competition from Toyota? So the government is also supposed to force private business to be more competitive? It's a free market!!!!!!!!!



Do you have the amount of money that has been thrown out on those things?
The Feds give money, the local governments spend it. So how is it the Feds fault that the local Louisiana government hasn't done what they should?



But if you listen to the left, Bush sent Katrina to kill black people and 9/11 was done by the CIA.




Again, do you have the amount? how much means ignored and how much means not ignored? What is the magic number? Also for comparison, where in our history has something as bad as 9/11 or Katrina happened? How do we know if the response is better or worse?




Killed or captured most of the AlQueada leadership and thousands of their terrorists.



Tinfoil hat time. Yea I guess we should have invaded Afganistan during the first 9 months of Bushes term since all Clinton did was shoot a rocket into an empty tent.



So Bush is responsible for radical Islam? Last I checked it goes back a little farther. If you would like I would be glad to start a thread about that.



So we should have invaded them too? I thought you guys were anti-war?




We have tons of international support dealing with Iran and North Korea. The so called "go it alone" thing was on Iraq. I guess those other countries with us don't count though since it wasn't the UN.



Good thing there wasn't anyone crossing the border prior to Bush getting elected.

Now, once again I ask, how has the country been destroyed?


AMEN Brother!!!!....it's all in the eye of the beholder..problem is too many people want to look at the Global view...what about the Rain Forrest, Africa, the South Pole....i mean come on...what else can we blame the Bush administration for?.......oh yea...the whole Kenedy assasination thing.....

I am no where near the upper 10% either, and my life and the lives of all the half way motivated people I know are just fine.....

[STORMCROW34]

What Mr. Hargrave and Mr. Spilde said.....

Instead of listening to "X" politician and "Z" cable network, I prefer to look around me when I decide if I'm satisfied with the state of the economy, and the nation in general.

We all learn in English 101 how easy it is to provide, support, cite and spin information to support ANY perspective on just about ANY topic we choose.

And about Hillary....I wonder if she is qualified for the job? What are her credentials compared to past presidents?

[jaberwoky123]

What Mr. Hargrave and Mr. Spilde said.....

Instead of listening to "X" politician and "Z" cable network, I prefer to look around me when I decide if I'm satisfied with the state of the economy, and the nation in general.

We all learn in English 101 how easy it is to provide, support, cite and spin information to support ANY perspective on just about ANY topic we choose.

And about Hillary....I wonder if she is qualified for the job? What are her credentials compared to past presidents?


Well stated, exactly you don't have to be a political analyst to look around at your own circumstances and environment and determine how bad off we are.....One thing I really wish is that ALL Americans were required to spend a few months in a 3rd world country, then ALL would truly see how blessed we are regardless of the party controlling the White House....

[Patrick Hayes]

And about Hillary....I wonder if she is qualified for the job? What are her credentials compared to past presidents?
To be fair though, what were Bush's? Of all past presidents, few had a more impressive resume than George H.W. Bush, but it shows that all the experience in the world couldn't make him more than a one-termer. Of all past presidents, few had a less impressive resume than George W. Bush, which shows that credentials are less important than other factors, name recognition being one of them.

[Gordon Nore]

To be fair though, what were Bush's? Of all past presidents, few had a more impressive resume than George H.W. Bush, but it shows that all the experience in the world couldn't make him more than a one-termer. Of all past presidents, few had a less impressive resume than George W. Bush, which shows that credentials are less important than other factors, name recognition being one of them.

That's a very good point, Patrick. Interestingly, the title of this thread was, Hillary will kill this country. I've read through every post in this thread have yet to see precisely how she would "Kill the country." Similar charges against President Bush, Jr have been levelled, but as Cliff points out, not proven. Voting -- particularly where there is partisanship in my opinion -- has less to do with qualifications or even facts and more to do with impressions and perceptions.

[mjd]

When was the last time a president had a master or higher degree from a outstanding collage (Yale, Harvard etc) in economics or the like, none that I can remember, mostly laywers and spin doctors.
HC is both you know the old saying... laywers, you hate them until they are on your side getting you off for what you have done wrong...


The most qualified people never run for president!!!

[Brian Dugger]

Oh, you'd like to meet me and especially my "domestic partner", she's a member of the Communist Party (I'm not joking). I've voted Dem my entire life, pro choice, and she still thinks I'm a right wing neanderthal like you guys! Sometimes ya just can't win....


That's a very good point, Patrick. Interestingly, the title of this thread was, Hillary will kill this country. I've read through every post in this thread have yet to see precisely how she would "Kill the country."

Going to attempt to get two with one here---and have a little fun even if it isn't cow tippin'. A profitic moment, if I may (yes, I meant to spell prophetic as profitic). The country will die an agonizing slow death due to attrition in the decline of the birth rate. Cloning will be the only thing that'll save the country in the future, so that our 'left wing' counterparts can continue to proliferate and perpetuate the direction of our waning civilization. But the old unviable ultra conservatives have unfortunately used a small controlled thermonuclear device to utterly anhilate the last remaining clone clinics in the world to prevent this from happening. All in jest, heh.:laugh:

[Ramirez]

When was the last time a president had a master or higher degree from a outstanding collage (Yale, Harvard etc) in economics or the like, none that I can remember, mostly laywers and spin doctors.
HC is both you know the old saying... laywers, you hate them until they are on your side getting you off for what you have done wrong...


The most qualified people never run for president!!!

I know lawyers have a bad rep but why would they less qualified to run for office than a masters in economics? They for sure have one advantage and that is they likely know the laws and legislation of the United States. That would seem to be a valuable skill, especially if they know Constitutional law.



I believe H. Clinton has a law degree from Yale, and B. Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar and also has a law degree from Yale...nothing to sneeze at.

If you want a ph.d in economics from a good school as president, you might end up with Paul Krugman:up:

[STORMCROW34]

I know lawyers have a bad rep but why would they less qualified to run for office than a masters in economics? They for sure have one advantage and that is they likely know the laws and legislation of the United States. That would seem to be a valuable skill, especially if they know Constitutional law.



I believe H. Clinton has a law degree from Yale, and B. Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar and also has a law degree from Yale...nothing to sneeze at.

If you want a ph.d in economics from a good school as president, you might end up with Paul Krugman:up:


I have worked with people who have had advanced degrees in engineering. They had plenty of knowledge of what the books and their professors said. Lots of theory.

But some of them upon entering the workforce....well...some of them just couldn't apply that knowledge effectively. They were in a constant state of analysis paralysis.

In my limited opinion, when it comes to productivity, a years experience on the job is worth much more than a year in college.

So how much experience does she really have? A couple of years as a senator? Unless she is just a natural leader, I would prefer someone with a significant amount of experience.

[TonyU]

I'll call you for the digits & address once the election is over...

That way I can jump between Mark's Tabago get-a-way & a DR retreat... nice....

Why don't a group of us get together & just take over Belize? It's not that big & we could probably get it without a fight. Beach front property, jungle land.... I can see myself on a dollar bill!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:
Shoo, a good squad can take over D R as well. :D

[stuart stratford]

bush will cheat again although she could be the new thatcher ether way it is going down the shitter WE ARE ALL DOOOMED DOOOMED I TELLS YA!

[Webmaster]

bush will cheat again although she could be the new thatcher ether way it is going down the shitter WE ARE ALL DOOOMED DOOOMED I TELLS YA!
Watch you language Junior. Also, how can Bush cheat if he cannot run for office again? Our Presidents are limited to two terms in office.

[stuart stratford]

you didnt get it he will find a way as arne said ill be back! and bush says yeeeeeehaa gihadi doo darr. random anyway do you think hillery will be the new thatcher? she took the great out of britain.

[Webmaster]

Stuart, I really don't have the slightest clue what you are trying to say.

See my PM that I am about to send you.

[Dennis Monk]

Stuart, I really don't have the slightest clue what you are trying to say.
No kidding. A capital letter from time to time seems to help. I am sure by now your English teachers have told you about these subtle anomalies in our language.

[David Craik]

Good Lord, I could let my dog walk on my keyboard and it would compose something more comprehensible.

If Hillary were to be the new 'Iron Lady', I'd be all for her. Nobody fooled around with Maggie.

[Prince Loeffler]

I saw a small article in Black Belt Magazine that a survey taken from South Africa based poll that A majority would like to see Chuck Norris in the white house. Hmmm I'll get back to you after I daydream..:D :D Might not be a bad idea :D

I think that President Norris would be better equipt and prepared to deal with them third world dictators..:p

[Rasputin]

you didnt get it he will find a way as arne said ill be back! and bush says yeeeeeehaa gihadi doo darr. random anyway do you think hillery will be the new thatcher? she took the great out of britain.

It's called Lithium. Ask your Doctor or pharmacist (chemist for those of you in Blighty).

[DaNinjew]

I am not even close to the upper 10%. The upper 10% is always doing good, that is why they are up there. Class warfare will not change that.



Cyclical. What were the gas prices under Carter again? When was the last time we had two major gulf hurricanes while we were fighting a war in the middle east? All that with skittish speculators jumping at any chance to adjust prices. Is the president supposed to create price controls? Last I checked that wasn't capitolism.




Another cyclical thing, that is specific to certain areas. What was that $500K house before? $375K? Not many lower middle class workers are going to afford that one either. So a house out of their price range went up higher. Doesn't mean anything when you couldn't buy to begin with. Someone is buying them though. So that means a larger segment of the population if doing better than before, and certainly not the top 10%.



Again, should the president artificially set interest rates now too? Wow that sure is a lot of responsibility for a free market. Another cyclical thing. Interest rates had a good run of being extremely low for a long time. What was the prime during Carter?



So what? I remember folks saying the same thing during Reagan and Bush I. It always gets paid.



Ok, wait a minute...That has to be the silliest thing you have said yet. The government didn't force GM to change, now GM is laying off because of competition from Toyota? So the government is also supposed to force private business to be more competitive? It's a free market!!!!!!!!!



Do you have the amount of money that has been thrown out on those things?
The Feds give money, the local governments spend it. So how is it the Feds fault that the local Louisiana government hasn't done what they should?



But if you listen to the left, Bush sent Katrina to kill black people and 9/11 was done by the CIA.




Again, do you have the amount? how much means ignored and how much means not ignored? What is the magic number? Also for comparison, where in our history has something as bad as 9/11 or Katrina happened? How do we know if the response is better or worse?




Killed or captured most of the AlQueada leadership and thousands of their terrorists.



Tinfoil hat time. Yea I guess we should have invaded Afganistan during the first 9 months of Bushes term since all Clinton did was shoot a rocket into an empty tent.



So Bush is responsible for radical Islam? Last I checked it goes back a little farther. If you would like I would be glad to start a thread about that.



So we should have invaded them too? I thought you guys were anti-war?




We have tons of international support dealing with Iran and North Korea. The so called "go it alone" thing was on Iraq. I guess those other countries with us don't count though since it wasn't the UN.



Good thing there wasn't anyone crossing the border prior to Bush getting elected.

Now, once again I ask, how has the country been destroyed?

A couple of things for you consider:

1)Thats an amazing amount of bad parts of the 'Cycle' for the Pres.

2)Gas prices will cycle typically during the calender year, up in the summer and winter and dip down in the fall and spring. Cycling from the 1970's would be one hell of large cycle. The gas crisis during Carters presidency was not about hurricanes or low capacity, it was about OPEC flexing its political muscle and punishing the west. Who mentioned price controls?

3)The President doesn't control the interest rates, the Federal Bank Reserve does, and they told the administration that lowering taxes and increasing spending makes for poor economic policy and would result in the Fed having to raise rates. The Pres called their bluff and poof! The rates shot up almost every single quarter. Clinton took the advice of the Fed cut spending, raised taxes and we had the lowest interest rates since WWII and the government was able to eliminate the deficits creating the largest economic expansion in modern US history. I know many of my Republican friends tried to claim our huge economic expansion was really the result of Ronnie Reagan. We all know better or should.

4) We don't live in a truely free market system the govt plays a huge role in our economy. If you look at the Federal Budget we spend hundreds of Billions of $ on just servicing the interest on the national debt. Its a huge percentage of our spending, that we could be using on something useful, like veterans benefits, more border patrol officers, better security at our ports, reducing educational costs, etc. If you or I ran a business like the government does we would be bankrupt.

5)I'm not sure which 'you guys' that you're referring to but if I can speak for them, 'we' are not all antiwar, I served in the military like many other Patriotic Liberals. I very much supported the war in Afghanistan and think that we should have gone into or after Iran. North Korea is a nightmare no matter which way you slice it.

6) Lastly it was the CIA who got the Isrealis to attack at 9/11 in order to frame the Muslims, so that they would look bad. And there are no white people in New Orleans?

The country isn't destroyed but is heading down a very dark path where good options become few.

[Webmaster]

6) Lastly it was the CIA who got the Isrealis to attack at 9/11 in order to frame the Muslims, so that they would look bad.
So this is all part of your true "anti-Semite wacko NWO black helicopter conspiracy tinfoil hat agenda"?

It's amazing how just one line can reveal the true agenda and discredit every other argument made.

[TonyU]

I can't believe people actually believe that crap.

[Ramirez]

So this is all part of your true "anti-Semite wacko NWO black helicopter conspiracy tinfoil hat agenda"?

It's amazing how just one line can reveal the true agenda and discredit every other argument made.

I think that was satire Robert, I believe Kevin is Jewish.

[STORMCROW34]

So this is all part of your true "anti-Semite wacko NWO black helicopter conspiracy tinfoil hat agenda"?

It's amazing how just one line can reveal the true agenda and discredit every other argument made.

I can't believe he was serious. Must have been an attempt at toungue-in-cheek humor.

To be fair, even if Hillary is elected, I find it very hard to believe that she will "kill" the country. This country has been through much worse and came out fine in the end. WW1, The Great Depression, WW2, these were very trying times.

I was talking to my wife last night about this, and she said that her vote would definitely go to Hillary if she gets the nomination. I asked; "Why, because she's a woman?" Believe it or not, her answer was yes. I mentioned to her that she is being sexist, and she didn't care! The hypocrisy that runs amok these days.....

[Ramirez]

Believe it or not, her answer was yes. I mentioned to her that she is being sexist, and she didn't care! The hypocrisy that runs amok these days.....

Sexist? Come on now, it is only sexist if it is against a woman, men are fair game.

This is a whole other thread but supposedly the school system has been so geared towards girls due to the social engineers at work since the '70s that now boys are falling behind. Yet I don't hear the big uproar about lack of boys with scholastic success like I did about girls.

[jaberwoky123]

That's a very good point, Patrick. Interestingly, the title of this thread was, Hillary will kill this country. I've read through every post in this thread have yet to see precisely how she would "Kill the country." Similar charges against President Bush, Jr have been levelled, but as Cliff points out, not proven. Voting -- particularly where there is partisanship in my opinion -- has less to do with qualifications or even facts and more to do with impressions and perceptions.

Excellent point, the elected official has only a part in how laws are made/policies created and enforced, perception drives people to the poles to vote but it also influences the way the world see's America.

one point I have thought about on this topic is the Middle East situation, having spent a total of several yaers there I have seen first hand how women are treated and thought of in many Muslim countries....how will she be percieved by these nations, will they disgard her or will she have the ability to influence?

[Webmaster]

I think that was satire Robert, I believe Kevin is Jewish.
Maybe, and maybe not. The problem is there are people that actually believe nonsense like that, and there are also plenty of folks that have these "self-loathing" issues. So being a Jew (if that is the case) does not give one a pass.

[Ramirez]

Maybe, and maybe not. The problem is there are people that actually believe nonsense like that, and there are also plenty of folks that have these "self-loathing" issues. So being a Jew (if that is the case) does not give one a pass.


I am sure he will respond, in any case that was the way I read it.

[KayJay]

one point I have thought about on this topic is the Middle East situation, having spent a total of several yaers there I have seen first hand how women are treated and thought of in many Muslim countries....how will she be percieved by these nations, will they disgard her or will she have the ability to influence?
And you have made one good point too. This has come up in several discussions with coworkers and it generally isn't good.


was talking to my wife last night about this, and she said that her vote would definitely go to Hillary if she gets the nomination. I asked; "Why, because she's a woman?" Believe it or not, her answer was yes. I mentioned to her that she is being sexist, and she didn't care! The hypocrisy that runs amok these days.....
I personally think that maybe a woman's different point of view might benefit this country and I would then vote for her. Anyone know of a good one? ;)

[Ramirez]

.

one point I have thought about on this topic is the Middle East situation, having spent a total of several yaers there I have seen first hand how women are treated and thought of in many Muslim countries....how will she be percieved by these nations, will they disgard her or will she have the ability to influence?

Maybe that is the problem there, 19th century attitudes in the 21st. They may disregard a woman, but then they will probably disregard anyone not of the Muslim faith, or even of the same sect of Islam.

[Brian Dugger]

. . . The country isn't destroyed but is heading down a very dark path where good options become few.

This is true, but we all know where the path leads that is paved with intention(s) beit good or bad.

Personally, I just really don't like the prospect of the likes of Billary at all. It has nothing to do with women. Once is enough. It's like being married, once is good enough. The Clintons have been given their moment.:up:

[Patrick Hayes]

one point I have thought about on this topic is the Middle East situation, having spent a total of several yaers there I have seen first hand how women are treated and thought of in many Muslim countries....how will she be percieved by these nations, will they disgard her or will she have the ability to influence?
How do you feel about Condoleeza Rice's recent visit to the Middle East? The general consensus is that the results were a mixed bag, neither success nor failure. Do you think she was taken less seriously than a male delegate would have been?

[STORMCROW34]

I personally think that maybe a woman's different point of view might benefit this country and I would then vote for her. Anyone know of a good one? ;)

Sure, I know quite a few good women! :wink2:

The thing is, I don't see how a womans point of view who is affiliated with "X" political party, is going to be all that much different than a mans point of view who is affiliated with aforesaid political party.

This is not to say that women and men think exactly alike. From my experience, we all have different needs and expectations. As an example; when I discuss with my wife a problem I am having, I do so because I am seeking help in finding a solution. On the other hand, when my lovely wife "discusses" problems she is having with me, and I attempt to offer a solution, she politley says that she doesn't want my help, she wants me to listen and validate her emotions....

Now, I don't know if Hillary has this same characteristic. But if she does, I would hope that it doesn't bleed over into her professional life. :laugh:

Seriously, whoever our next president is, I just hope they are qualified in experience, have sound character, and above all have wisdom and foresite in their decisions.

[Brian Dugger]

Brother, as if our threads weren't prophetic enough, take a gander at this:
Dame Elizabeth Taylor has entered the debate over who will be the next US president by backing Hillary Clinton.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6301727.stm :puke:

[DaNinjew]

I think that was satire Robert, I believe Kevin is Jewish.

Thank you Mr. Ramirez, that was indeed satire...and I'm not a self loathing Jew!! :laugh: At least not yet. I did not expect that to taken seriously. I'll make sure to enclose a wink next time.

[DaNinjew]

So this is all part of your true "anti-Semite wacko NWO black helicopter conspiracy tinfoil hat agenda"?

It's amazing how just one line can reveal the true agenda and discredit every other argument made.

How can I get one of them fancy Tin Foil hats?

[Webmaster]

How can I get one of them fancy Tin Foil hats?
Here is a guide (you know there had to be one on the internet).

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

[Webmaster]

Thank you Mr. Ramirez, that was indeed satire...and I'm not a self loathing Jew!! :laugh: At least not yet. I did not expect that to taken seriously. I'll make sure to enclose a wink next time.
Glad to hear that you are not one of the conspiracy wackos. I can deal with delusional liberals. ;)

[AlMason]

Whoever goes against Hillary will need to be articulate. My choice is Newt with Haley Barbour as VP.

[DaNinjew]

Did anyone else see the special recently on the conspiracy theory surrounding the voting machines and possible fraudulent counts in Florida in the last presidential election? According to their investigations it is very easy to stuff the electronic ballot boxes. Who can we trust anymore?
I fear a revolt and civil disobedience due to these tactics in the next election because of the civil unrest around the last two elections nobody trust the goverment anymore in this country. I think I will move to Mexico where cash is king.

Mucho Gusto mi amigo...let me know when you're heading south, I can give you the names of some fantastic places to visit in TJ aka Tiajuana.

[DaNinjew]

Here is a guide (you know there had to be one on the internet).

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

I hope they take Visa! I think I really want one...thats hilarious.


Glad to hear that you are not one of the conspiracy wackos. I can deal with delusional liberals. ;)

Thank you my son.

And to address the original purpose of this post, I agree with Brian and Cliff, I think the country is tired of retreads, Bush II and the Neo cons were a disaster. On the democratic side Hilary, although shrewd, intelligent, and financial powerful will probably not garner the nomination. She will be cast as Bill II. The country wants a new face, new ideas, and a new direction. On the Republican side, Newt, who is a great political analyst, was already thrown out of office. The two front runners Guliani and McCain, have cast their lot with Bush and the Iraqi war and will be seen as more of the same. Both are Republicans whom I have great respect for individually (I highly recommend Guliani's book on Leadership if you get a chance to pick it up) but won't vote for them because of their continued support of 'W'. I think a darkhorse candidate would be Bill Richardson....has the international experience that Obama is lacking.

[mjd]

when my lovely wife "discusses" problems she is having with me, and I attempt to offer a solution, she politley says that she doesn't want my help, she wants me to listen and validate her emotions....

Now, I don't know if Hillary has this same characteristic. But if she does, I would hope that it doesn't bleed over into her professional life. :laugh:

.

Well their is 2 flaws to that thinking when it comes to Hilary
1) is she really a woman
2) does she have emotions

[DaNinjew]

Well their is 2 flaws to that thinking when it comes to Hilary
1) is she really a woman
2) does she have emotions

Nice...but you may also want to consider this...If we put a woman in charge and she happens to kick the crap out of Al Queda, what do you think that will do for their recruiting? Getting beaten by a girl!! Might make them want to reconsider the whole 72 virgins fantasy. :eek:

[Brian Dugger]

Nice...but you may also want to consider this...If we put a woman in charge and she happens to kick the crap out of Al Queda, what do you think that will do for their recruiting? Getting beaten by a girl!! Might make them want to reconsider the whole 72 virgins fantasy. :eek:

:e-lol1: :sarcasm: :e-lol1:

True, but I'd like to be certain it's a girl that will have done it.

[mantisman]

Americans as voters will never accept a female president. Some individuals may support it but as a nation I cant see it happening.

[Gordon Nore]

Americans as voters will never accept a female president. Some individuals may support it but as a nation I cant see it happening.

Few people will come out and reject a woman candidate for president out of hand. I suspect what will come up is that Mrs Clinton has not served in the military for will therefore be judged as unfit to serve as Commander in Chief. (This was a sticky point during Mr Clinton's presidency.) Others will say, "Of course I don't have a problem with a woman president, but the country is not ready." I think there's going to be a lot of excuse-making around the issue of a female president.

[dao]

Americans as voters will never accept a female president. Some individuals may support it but as a nation I cant see it happening.

I don't think it will be HC but, I think that I will see a female president in my lifetime. There are too many female governors with nothing left to run for. :) But, as I said before I think this time, we'll elect a non-white male.

[Abbax8]

There is a new book out by Dinesh D'Souza and his views of how it is the liberal left that is stirring much of the animosity Islam feels towards the West.

D'Souza was born in India and lived among Hindus and Moslems so his veiw is worth listening to. He states that the average Muslim's view of the west is colored by what the west puts out in the media and groups like Planned Parenthood. What they see is premarital sex, abortion, homosexuality, etc. This he says goes against the generally held values of most that population - chastity before marriage, marriage is between a man and a woman, etc.

Now Hillary is firmly in the NOW and NARAL camp. Her election to president could be the lightning rod to increase tensions between Islam and the West. D'Souza points out it is not the suicide bombers he is talking about but the average Muslim. He also says that Islam of India and Indonesia is different than Islam in Saudi Arabia or Iran.

The culture war is becomming a catalyst for the hot war in his opinion.

I found his views interesting.

Peace

Dennis

[dao]

Given how misogynistic (in the name of protection) fundamalist Islamics are it is hardly suprising that a female President, even if she was as wholosome as the images of Betty Crocker or Aunt Jamina, it would be threatening to them. Perhaps even more threatening then someone like HC. Sadly, I think we will continue to clash with the middle Eastern cultures regardless just because of who we are.

Fear of what some other Country/Group might or might not do is the worst possible criteria to base your vote on in my humble opinion.

[Ramirez]

What they see is premarital sex, abortion, homosexuality, etc. This he says goes against the generally held values of most that population - chastity before marriage, marriage is between a man and a woman, etc.

Dennis

Well if a more open attitude to pre-marital sex, homosexuality etc. means we in the west don't put missionaries of another faith to death, the way Islamic states want to put Christian missionaries to death or even Christian converts from Islam, well I am all for the more open morality of the West.

[Brian Dugger]

Good for grins! http://www.michaelhodges.com/hillary.html

[Maro]

Well, I've lived in a country with a female Prime Minister. She was tough enough for Reagan! :eek:

It's pretty sad that in this day and age, it's seen as hard for a woman to be elected. The other sad thing is that all women elected as Presidents/Prime Ministers tend to be more Manly then the men! Have you seen Helen Clark from NZ :eek:

There is a great article on the Times Online website about the arrival of women on the world leader scene (The current election bids from Segolene Royal, Hillary Clinton and the existing incumbency of Angela Merkel).

Unfortunately, they have revamped their website and it's timing out at present.

Do you all really hate Hillary or is it just rhetoric? I don't hate anyone really.

Please explain to an outsider the reasons - I understand politics can be partisan but all I can glean from the media is her aloofness and marriage to Bill as a source for ire. Her business exploits and political views are pretty average for a senator.

[elder999]

Do you all really hate Hillary or is it just rhetoric? I don't hate anyone really.

Please explain to an outsider the reasons - I understand politics can be partisan but all I can glean from the media is her aloofness and marriage to Bill as a source for ire. Her business exploits and political views are pretty average for a senator.

Well, yes-heyre pretty average for a lot of politicians. With that said, though, a greater number of Americans on this board are from the right wing/ conservative/Republican side of American politics, where she is universally loathed...

and, with that said, I'm not from that side of things-though hardly what one might (though some might)call a leftist-sort of the centrist some people would describe Hillary's politics of expedience to be. Certainly, many here would think me a Democrat, though I am not...in fact, I'm a reformed registered Republican (Papa Bush screwed me royally.) I don't like Hillary-she's neither liberal,progressive or democratic; she is a neo-socialist, very nearly communist...plus. she just says a lot of stupid stuff.....if she truly believes only an iota of what's come out of her mouth in the past, she's not someone I'd want running a daycare center, let alone the country. DON't think she's part of some huge murderous conspiracy, don't think she's particularly guilty of wrongdoing for making money, or the ways that she made it, but I also don't think she'd be what I'd wind up calling a good President, or even an effective one......

[Maro]

Thanks for the synopsis.

The one difference I can discern between US and UK politics is that we don't really rate either of our parties.... It's always the best of a bad bunch.

Pesonally, I don't think any of them could find their own a#se with a map :laugh:

I read a very eloquent letter yesterday in the SMH - the question was raised as to which politician would qualify for a statue as a result of their political successes?

There aren't many Churchill's, Chiffley, Lincoln's etc in politics anymore

[AndrewSimonsen]

Yeah all are politicians are still alive.

[Maro]

Yeah all are politicians are still alive.

That's deep! :D

Here's that article from the Times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article1321476.ece

[Brian Dugger]

. . . Do you all really hate Hillary or is it just rhetoric? I don't hate anyone really.

Please explain to an outsider the reasons - I understand politics can be partisan but all I can glean from the media is her aloofness and marriage to Bill as a source for ire. Her business exploits and political views are pretty average for a senator.

No, I don't hate Billary. I would rather set my hair on fire and beat it out with a pair of track spikes than have her (Has nothing to do with women. I wish Condaleeza Rice would consider at some point.) as president.

Before she was anything on a grandiose level, she was a shrew as well as shrewd attorney for the Rose Law Firm here in Little Rock. Not all of her exploits have been made to the national public that we locals are aware of presently. More seems to come out as days, months, and years pass. It is indeed a true statement that time will tell. Ask Vince Foster, the McDougals or former Gov. Jim Guy Tucker about any of this. Oh, I'm sorry they're all dead, but Susan McDougal. Time will tell.:up:

[Abbax8]

I do not hate Hillary. I do not hate anyone in fact. I am in total disagreement with what Hillary stands for. She is a communist, if she actually does have any values that are not driven by opinion polls. The fact that she is female is meaningless.

Peace

Dennis

[Maro]

I do not hate Hillary. I do not hate anyone in fact. I am in total disagreement with what Hillary stands for. She is a communist, if she actually does have any values that are not driven by opinion polls. The fact that she is female is meaningless.

Peace

Dennis


A Communist? really?

[Abbax8]

A Communist? really?

When Bill was in the White House their Health Plan would have mandated physicians salaries, mandated which doctor you could see, made it illegal to pay to see a doctor of your choice.

She has written a book entitles "It Takes a Village". Essentially if she was allowed she would decide how our children our educated (indoctrinated).

Bill and Hillary and cohorts our behind the "Fairness Doctrine" which attempts to control free speech on the radio.

She will confiscate guns and make private gun ownership illegal.

She has been involved in trying to silence religious leaders from expressing their opinions.

Sounds like a communist to me.

Peace

Dennis

[Dennis Monk]

A Communist? really?
Yes, really.

[Deep]

I don't know as much about politics as would like to, but I really don't see a problem with Hillary running for president. I'd love to see a female run; It would make history.

[Dennis Monk]

A woman should run for president some day.
Not a communist leaning liberal that would run our country into the ground, but a highly intelligent person such as C. Rice

[GRWMMAolddude]

I don't know as much about politics as would like to, but I really don't see a problem with Hillary running for president. I'd love to see a female run; It would make history.

Ross - at 18 you are at a very important age in that you now have the privilege to vote for your leadership in Government. Take the time and study the issues and what the candidates and parties stand for. Make sure you go straight to the source, the candidates words and actions. Do not rely on what others say, especially the media (it has an agenda to sell its product, not be fair and unbiased). Also don't let your peer group tell you how to think. One of the most important considerations to think about is what role the Government should play in your life.

A lot of folks go through life letting other people (parents through how you were brought up, peer group, media, ...) shape their political thoughts. Spend the time to make sure you understand what you are voting for. If more folks did, I think the country and the world would be a better place. :bow:

[aikibu]

Condi's complicity with letting Dubya Dicky & Rummy run the country into the ground does not sit well with a large majority of the American Public.

The fact is there are more woman voters than men and the polls largely indicate they are more moderate/centerist in thier approach to life and government here in the US.

William Hazen

http:www.unity08.com.

[Webmaster]

The fact is there are more woman voters than men and the polls largely indicate they are more moderate/centerist in thier approach to life and government here in the US.
That pretty much eliminates a left-wing Federalize the health care system and redistribute wealth communist like Hillary then.

[Webmaster]

If you really want to know about Hillary Clinton, then just look at a few of her quotes.


Here's just a small smaple I've pulled just off FR threads:

I could hardly breathe. Gasping for air, I started crying and yelling at him, "What do you mean? What are you saying? Why did you lie to me?" (Sex w/Monica)

"It's been said, and I think it's accurate, that my husband was obsessed by terrorism in general and al-Qaida in particular." (Hillary telling a post-9/11 world what a great commander in chief her husband was; Dateline, NBC 4/16/2004.)

"I have to admit that a good deal of what my husband and I have learned [about Islam] has come from our daughter." (Circa 1996, at a White House function,

Hillary proudly tells some Muslim groups she is gaining a greater appreciation of Islam because Chelsea was then taking a class on the "religion of peace"; TruthInMedia.org 8/8/1999.)

"Why do I have to keep proving to people that I am not a liar?" (First Lady Hillary in her 2000 Senate Campaign; "The Survivor," p. 382, by John Harris.)

"A right-wing network was after his presidency...including perverting the Constitution." (To Barbara Walters about the Republicans who impeached her husband; 20/20, ABC 6/8/2003.)

"Son of a *****." (Hillary's opinion of President George W. Bush when she found out he secretly visited Iraq just days before her highly publicized trip to Iraq; "American Evita," p. 259, by Christopher Anderson.)

"What are you doing inviting these people into my home? These people are our enemies! They are trying to destroy us!" (Hillary's reaction to an aide, when she found out that some Republicans had been invited to the Clinton White House, circa 1993; "The Survivor," p. 99, by John Harris.)

"I mean, you've got a conservative and right-wing press presence with really nothing on the other end of the political spectrum." (Hillary complains about the mainstream media, which are all conservatives in her opinion; aired on C-Span, 1/19/1997.)

"Come on Bill, put your dick up. You can't **** her here." (Hillary to Gov. Clinton when she spots him talking with an attractive female at an Arkansas political rally; "Inside The White House," p. 243, by Ronald Kessler.)

"You sold out, you ************! You sold out." (While an intern on Capitol Hill, Hillary Rodham yells at a prominent Democrat lawyer because he was representing someone from a large, profit-driven corporation; "Inside," p. 213, by Joseph Califano.)

"I just don't have any memory of that." (When that Watkins memo showed up revealing that she had ordered the Travel Office firings.)

"And I know there is a collective sigh of relief when people like me leave."

"I'm a big believer in tipping. We should support working people." who did not pay for her meal nor leave a tip for waitress Trish Trupo, a single mother who earns $2.90 an hour before tips.

"I can't go out and save every undercapitalized entrepreneur in America." in response to criticisms that her nationalized health care plan might bankrupt small business owners.

"We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society." 1993

"The stories come and go, and I stay the same."

"Sometimes I read about myself and I say, 'Ooo, I don't like her at all.'"

"I am married to the greatest political person of our generation."

"I think the President has to stand for what he stood for. He has to stick to his principles."

"No, I did not remember that profit." Hillary Clinton ($4300 in one-day trades)

"I do not remember any of those details." Hillary Clinton (when asked to explain the $4300)

"Impeachment does not have to be for criminal offenses, but only for a 'course of conduct' that, while not particularly criminal, might be of such a nature that it destroys trust, discourages allegiance, and demands action by the Congress." Hillary Rodham 1974

"The American people are tired of liars and people who pretend to be something they're not." 1992.

"Give Bill a second term, and Al Gore and I will be turned loose to do what we really want to do"- 1996

"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing though our papers. We are the president." -1998, commenting on the release of subpoenaed documents

"If I didn't kick Bill Clinton's *** every day, he wouldn't be worth anything" - 1995

"We will never build enough prisons to end our crime problem" -1996

"Look at the very people who are involved in this. They have popped up in other settings. The great story here for anybody willing to find it, write about it, and explain it is this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been, conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president"- 1998

"I'm having a great time being this pres...I mean senator from New York"- 2001

"I am particularly horrified by the use of propaganda and the manipulation of the truth and the revision of history"

"Jay, there are literally millions of people who have never read a printed book. You cannot believe, Jay, how many people I have met who have told me that MY book is the FIRST BOOK they have ever read."

"I have to confess it has crossed my mind that you could not be a Republican and a Christian." CNN 02/06/1997

"We just screwed all of these people." - Hillary to Bill during their first open tour of the White House to the public. - Caught on C-SPAN cameras/microphones in Feb 1993.

"Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have helped you," Sen. Clinton said. "We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." San Francisco, 28 June 2004

Webmaster's Note: Karl Marx could not have said it better.

"The clearest way to know whether you are with a poor person in America is not by the logo on the clothes, because we all wear pretty much the same anymore. It's by looking into their eyes and seeing whether they look into yours, and seeing what kind of teeth they have." - Hillary Clinton, at a meeting for Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Push Wall Street Project, AP

"I'm not some little woman standing by her man like Tammy Wynette." - "I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas."
Yep, I cannot wait to go out and work for any person that runs against her.

[Dennis Monk]

Yep, I cannot wait to go out and work for any person that runs against her.
Amen to that!

[aikibu]

That pretty much eliminates a left-wing Federalize the health care system and redistribute wealth communist like Hillary then.

Actually it does not... But rather than bore you with actual facts (Like the Federalization of Healthcare like aheemmm The V.A. or Medicare or Dubya's fabulous Perscription Drug Benefits for Seniors (oh the irony there...More "communist" than anything Hilery came up with LOL)) I will leave you to your bully pulpit Emperor Nero. :)

The Federal Government has grown FOUR FOLD in size since Dubya and the Repubs took office. At least now there is a chance both sides of the "divide" will argue enough to forget they are screwing up the country and our kid's futures thus giving us regular folks a chance to change things for the better.

http://www.unity08.com

William Hazen

[Cliff Hargrave]

The Federal Government has grown FOUR FOLD since Dubya and the Repubs took office.

First, the conservative base does not consider the current administration conservative for exactly that reason.

Second, how much of that is defense spending?

Third, how much of that is built in federal increases? A majority of the federal budget is increased 10% every year automatically. Compounding ten percent over the last six years is a pretty big increase itself.

[GRWMMAolddude]

.....

The Federal Government has grown FOUR FOLD in size since Dubya and the Repubs took office. ....

William , please supply your source for this. Suggest you look at this (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2008/pdf/hist.pdf) document. I think you have a few of your facts wrong.

Then again perhaps those evil Republicans have a "secret budget" they are hiding from the rest of us.

[aikibu]

William , please supply your source for this. Suggest you look at this (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2008/pdf/hist.pdf) document. I think you have a few of your facts wrong.

Then again perhaps those evil Republicans have a "secret budget" they are hiding from the rest of us.

I'll respond to both retorts.

First off I am a Goldwater aka True Conservative who left the Republican Party after the Christian Social Extremists and Private Contractor/Carpetbaggers via Newt Gingrich's "Contract for a New America*" took over in 1994.

Second the "number" refers to the Federal Government as a whole... Agencies, Manpower, and Money that includes Private Contractors who businesses operate solely or with a majority of Federal Government Contracts.

3rd the Republicans had been in power with the exception of the former President Clinton's veto for over 12 years before last years midterm election. That is your baseline Gentleman. Not 2000. I apologize for the confusion.

*http://www.house.gov/house/Contract/CONTRACT.html

William Hazen

[Webmaster]

Actually it does not... But rather than bore you with actual facts (Like the Federalization of Healthcare like aheemmm The V.A. or Medicare or Dubya's fabulous Perscription Drug Benefits for Seniors (oh the irony there...More "communist" than anything Hilery came up with LOL)) I will leave you to your bully pulpit Emperor Nero. :)

The President did not start the VA or Medicare from what I recall. It seems to me that they both have been around for awhile and have shown to be the "model of efficiency". Yes, I can only imagine how wonderful things would be under HillaryCare. As far as more communist, how about her statements about taking money from the "rich" for the common good? {(Aheemmm, Marxism.)


The Federal Government has grown FOUR FOLD in size since Dubya and the Repubs took office. At least now there is a chance both sides of the "divide" will argue enough to forget they are screwing up the country and our kid's futures thus giving us regular folks a chance to change things for the better.

So you are going to blame him on spending money on a war, creating the Department of Homeland Security and having to increase spending accordingly, not to mention the Federally mandated increases in spending for various entitlement programs? Tell you what, if you are so concerned, why don't you write out a check payable to the US Treasury and send them 70% of your income. That should cure any pangs of guilt you might be harboring. But wait, you and your type would rather use other people's money! Yep, you're a perfect product of the People's Republic of Kalifornia. Three cheers for Marxism! :rolleyes:

[Webmaster]

First off I am a Goldwater aka True Conservative who left the Republican Party after the Christian Social Extremists and Private Contractor/Carpetbaggers via Newt Gingrich's "Contract for a New America*" took over in 1994.
Bullcrackers! :bsflag:

[Webmaster]

3rd the Republicans had been in power with the exception of the former President Clinton's veto for over 12 years before last years midterm election. That is your baseline Gentleman. Not 2000. I apologize for the confusion.
I thought you said since Dubya and the Repubs took office? Please make up your mind. We cannot have a debate if you keep changing your mind. :laugh: Oh and for the record, I don't consider President Bush a true conservative, but he is a LOT better than the alternative (Mr. I voted for the war before I voted again it).

Goldwater Republican, gawd they all pull that from their dark regions as a defense (second time today!). Like listening to a seminar caller calling a conservative talk show (I listen every day and agree with you most of the time, but....). :laugh:

Anyway, I am bowing out of this discussion and you may continue to delude yourself into thinking that Hillary being elected POTUS will bring forth a paradise on earth (a worker's paradise of course).

[DaNinjew]

Yep, you're a perfect product of the People's Republic of Kalifornia. Three cheers for Marxism! :rolleyes:

Flattery will get you no where!

[Webmaster]

Flattery will get you no where!
So you are not going to confuse me with claiming to be a Goldwater conservative too? :D

Never mind, I promised to bow out, but could not resist. I may not agree with you views, but I respect that you are honest about who you are.

[DaNinjew]

I'll respond to both retorts.

First off I am a Goldwater aka True Conservative who left the Republican Party after the Christian Social Extremists and Private Contractor/Carpetbaggers via Newt Gingrich's "Contract for a New America*" took over in 1994.

Second the "number" refers to the Federal Government as a whole... Agencies, Manpower, and Money that includes Private Contractors who businesses operate solely or with a majority of Federal Government Contracts.

3rd the Republicans had been in power with the exception of the former President Clinton's veto for over 12 years before last years midterm election. That is your baseline Gentleman. Not 2000. I apologize for the confusion.

*http://www.house.gov/house/Contract/CONTRACT.html

William Hazen

Bravo William,
I'm proud of you son. You are not the first conservative that I know to become disenchanted with the "Christofacist" (No offense to Christ) movement of the Republican party. There has been a long line of corruption (Two Consecutive Leaders of the House brought up on chargers and forced to resign), American Hero (and mine) Duke Cunningham thrown in jail for Bribery, incompetence, and hypocracy (out of control spending) in this round of Republican control. If the Clinton Administration had pulled some of the things that 'Dubya' has pulled, like no warrant wire tapping, endorsing torture as the way we do business, the VP shooting his 'friends' in the face, and outing CIA agents (see Scooter Libby now on his way to jail on behalf of the VP), they would have marched on Washington.


They are calling you Marxist for wanting to improve the quality life of all Americans but they have no problems with us dumping billions of unaccounted for $ into Iraq, to improve the Iraqi quality of life. There are literally dozen's of investigations for fraud and corruption with American contractors in Iraq (see Haliburton Dick Cheney's boys). We now have to outsource basic needs like base security, food service, and transportation to 100,000 contractors in Iraq because the military cannot support its own operations. Many of these contractors are former military with no protections, life insurance, geneva convention status or medical coverage if seriously wounded doing the duty of the country. Disgraceful.

[DaNinjew]

So you are not going to confuse me with claiming to be a Goldwater conservative too? :D

Never mind, I promised to bow out, but could not resist. I may not agree with you views, but I respect that you are honest about who you are.

I would but I'm not sure what a Goldwater Conservative is...before my time. :p

[aikibu]

I thought you said since Dubya and the Repubs took office? Please make up your mind. We cannot have a debate if you keep changing your mind. :laugh: Oh and for the record, I don't consider President Bush a true conservative, but he is a LOT better than the alternative (Mr. I voted for the war before I voted again it).

Goldwater Republican, gawd they all pull that from their dark regions as a defense (second time today!). Like listening to a seminar caller calling a conservative talk show (I listen every day and agree with you most of the time, but....). :laugh:

Anyway, I am bowing out of this discussion and you may continue to delude yourself into thinking that Hillary being elected POTUS will bring forth a paradise on earth (a worker's paradise of course).

Hmmmm. Nero big daddy does not like debate/dissent in his own Bully Pulpit and smears anyone who disagrees with him?

That's the internet for you. LOL

Here's to toying with your beliefs at will and at the time and place of my choosing. :D

See you around fiddler...Lucky for me the Martial Arts discussions here are both informative and full of mutual respect regardless of style. :)

William Hazen

[aikibu]

Bravo William,
I'm proud of you son. You are not the first conservative that I know to become disenchanted with the "Christofacist" (No offense to Christ) movement of the Republican party. There has been a long line of corruption (Two Consecutive Leaders of the House brought up on chargers and forced to resign), American Hero (and mine) Duke Cunningham thrown in jail for Bribery, incompetence, and hypocracy (out of control spending) in this round of Republican control. If the Clinton Administration had pulled some of the things that 'Dubya' has pulled, like no warrant wire tapping, endorsing torture as the way we do business, the VP shooting his 'friends' in the face, and outing CIA agents (see Scooter Libby now on his way to jail on behalf of the VP), they would have marched on Washington.


They are calling you Marxist for wanting to improve the quality life of all Americans but they have no problems with us dumping billions of unaccounted for $ into Iraq, to improve the Iraqi quality of life. There are literally dozen's of investigations for fraud and corruption with American contractors in Iraq (see Haliburton Dick Cheney's boys). We now have to outsource basic needs like base security, food service, and transportation to 100,000 contractors in Iraq because the military cannot support its own operations. Many of these contractors are former military with no protections, life insurance, geneva convention status or medical coverage if seriously wounded doing the duty of the country. Disgraceful.

Amen brother...I have many friends who have sacrificed and continue to sacrifice for the dreams of a bunch of delusional old men.

Thank God the lies are all coming out in the wash despite the efforts to fire any Federal Prosecutors who are close to cleaning all that dirty laundry.

William Hazen

[DaNinjew]

I may not agree with you views, but I respect that you are honest about who you are.

Thanks for respect Robert, I really enjoy being the voice of reason here and the forum's token Jew! Every forum should have one. :D:

[Webmaster]

Hmmmm. Nero big daddy does not like debate/dissent in his own Bully Pulpit and smears anyone who disagrees with him?
Debate and dissent away! The floor is yours.

You might recall that it was you that referred to me as Nero before I implied that you were a Marxist. It was you that took this debate into the realm of personal attacks. Prior to that, I was discussing Hillary. So let's just make sure that we are clear about who started smearing who first. The subject of this thread is Ms. Clinton and bid for the Presidency. Please return to the topic at hand.

[aikibu]

Debate and dissent away! The floor is yours.

You might recall that it was you that referred to me as Nero before I implied that you were a Marxist. It was you that took this debate into the realm of personal attacks. Prior to that, I was discussing Hillary. So let's just make sure that we are clear about who started smearing who first. The subject of this thread is Ms. Clinton and bid for the Presidency. Please return to the topic at hand.

I respectfully disagree... You and some others reffered to Hillary as a Communist, and you inferred that somehow my support of women politicians was an endorsement of Hillary. It went downhill from there. Having a political debate of the issues is fine by me. On the other hand resorting to purile punditry and labeling should be above your station if you wish to debate the issues.

A brief synopsis of my current political leanings has been posted on this thread already.... and one more time for your benefit (and should you care to know) Here you go.

http://www.unity08.com

I am one of those Americans who is looking to bridge the divisivness and smear tactics of both sides by actually looking for common ground, and anytime I see that B.S. in a thread on politics I just can't help myself... I can throw down with the best them and believe you me What my father taught me about the charactor of a man has served me well, and gotten me booted off plenty of forums.

The many excuses folks have used to spread hate and fear over the last ten years don't cut it anymore in this day and age and Internet forums should not be a haven or excuse for this kind of behaviour.


At ease...I will be in the area all day.:)

William Hazen

[Webmaster]

I respectfully disagree... You and some others reffered to Hillary as a Communist,
Based on her own words and deeds, I would say that she has definite Marxist leanings.


and you inferred that somehow my support of women politicians was an endorsement of Hillary.
And in a thread about Hillary, I was suppose to read your mind and come up with your support of women politicians in general? That is not what you said, but it may have been what you meant. Perhaps you should be more clear next time?


It went downhill from there.
Yep, and you started the downward spiral by taking it personal with the Nero remark.

Why don't you just suck it up, accept responsibility for starting the name calling and deal with it? I know that might be out of character, but you should try it sometime.


A brief synopsis of my current political leanings has been posted on this thread already....
Yeah, whatever. Goldwater Conservative and all that. Sure... :rolleyes:

[DaNinjew]

Based on her own words and deeds, I would say that she has definite Marxist leanings.


And in a thread about Hillary, I was suppose to read your mind and come up with your support of women politicians in general? That is not what you said, but it may have been what you meant. Perhaps you should be more clear next time?


Yep, and you started the downward spiral by taking it personal with the Nero remark.

Why don't you just suck it up, accept responsibility for starting the name calling and deal with it? I know that might be out of character, but you should try it sometime.


Yeah, whatever. Goldwater Conservative and all that. Sure... :rolleyes:

You tell him Comrad Carver. :D

[aikibu]

Based on her own words and deeds, I would say that she has definite Marxist leanings. No... I would humbly suggest you view the world through a very interesting filter, and subscribe to Argumentum Ad Authoritarium to back it up.



And in a thread about Hillary, I was suppose to read your mind and come up with your support of women politicians in general? That is not what you said, but it may have been what you meant. Perhaps you should be more clear next time?

Actually...Just rereading the post will do...Last time I read it the subject was about woman voters and related to the fact both Condi and Hillary are woman. Perhaps English is not for your first language, or you need to meditate further on the true meaning of the Bodhisattva... I recommend one of my favorite books "No time to Lose" by Pema Chodron



Yep, and you started the downward spiral by taking it personal with the Nero remark.

Why don't you just suck it up, accept responsibility for starting the name calling and deal with it? I know that might be out of character, but you should try it sometime. Denile is not a river in Egypt my friend. :)



Yeah, whatever. Goldwater Conservative and all that. Sure... :rolleyes:

One can only hope you feel better now so that as you suggested in a previous post we can move on. It would help though if you let me know when you've won this little tit for tat. I have plenty of Gold Star Certificates sitting around the house, and would be happy to mail you one so that you may treasure it as a momento of your "victory".

I once again defer to your powerful intellect oh mighty Webmaster. :)

William Hazen

[Cliff Hargrave]

No... I would humbly suggest you view the world through a very interesting filter, and subscribe to Argumentum Ad Authoritarium to back it up.


Perhaps English is not for your first language, or you need to meditate further on the true meaning of the Bodhisattva..


Denile is not a river in Egypt my friend. :)


I have plenty of Gold Star Certificates sitting around the house, and would be happy to mail you one so that you may treasure it as a momento of your "victory".


I once again defer to your powerful intellect oh mighty Webmaster.


So...... you have your views, call people names that don't agree with those views, then be a sarcastic smart-*** when called on it?

Why don't you try to contribute instead of trying to sound witty? You are failing miserably at that.

[Webmaster]

So...... you have your views, call people names that don't agree with those views, then be a sarcastic smart-*** when called on it?

Why don't you try to contribute instead of trying to sound witty? You are failing miserably at that.
Cliff, I find is absolutely amazing that somehow William got the subject of the thread as "about woman voters and related to the fact both Condi and Hillary are woman" when I read "Hillary will kill the country" as the subject. Is there some special cypher by which I am suppose to read the rantings of retards? I just for the life of me cannot understand how William got what he got for this subject.

Anyway, the thread (because some moron went off topic) is now closed.