Shorinji Kempo Kyusho lesson

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Shorinji Kempo Kyusho lesson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byAvGP1GqBU

comment: fascinating and scary ...

[Dennis Monk]

I have rendered my share of people unconscious over the years (work related).
It has never been my experience that I could do so and sit a person straight up on their butt after doing so.
An unconscious person is dead weight, therefore much more difficult to maneuver them from a prone to a sitting position as shown in the video.

[Luar]

I have rendered my share of people unconscious over the years (work related).
It has never been my experience that I could do so and sit a person straight up on their butt after doing so.
An unconscious person is dead weight, therefore much more difficult to maneuver them from a prone to a sitting position as shown in the video.

It does not appear that the students were 100% unconscious as they seem to be able to sit upright but groggy. Still I bet that hurt.

[Dennis Monk]

The basic techniques used, and I am sure there is a different shorinji kempo name for them, were a rear naked choke, a brachial stun and a knee strike to the common peroneal nerve.
The technique shown first in the video had the expected effect. After about 5 seconds the uke was limp and seemingly lifeless.

The brachial stun, when applied exactly, will drop a person and can cause them to lose almost all fighting spirit. It is basically a real "bell ringer". I have never seen anyone knocked out completely with this but have seen it end a fight farely quickly. I have also seen the strike miss, break the collar bone, and while not the desired effect- end the fight just the same.

The knee strikes to the common peroneal can be effective. I have never felt confident to apply them from a standing position, but have used them while on the ground with a person trying to get them to submit to hand restraints.

[TonyU]

I've used all three as well.

In my case I've had great success with the knee strike for passive resistant subjects who just stiffen up when trying to take them to the ground.

As you notice his demonstrating a similar technique. Hit the the opponent to bring him down then follow up with another strike.

Strikes like that is what I feel karate epitomizes. With proper aimed and focused strikes you break down your opponent.

EDIT: WARNING: I was advised by two doctors that train with us that practicing the brachial stun in the matter shown is very dangerous as it can produce a blood clot and cause permanent damage if not death.

[sheb]

EDIT: WARNING: I was advised by two doctors that train with us that practicing the brachial stun in the matter shown is very dangerous as it can produce a blood clot and cause permanent damage if not death.... so one have to be careful. But nevertheless I would like to take part in such a lesson, also when I would be the (only) punched one ;). I think it's very interesting ...

[Tripitaka of AA]

"brachial stun" and "bell-ringer" sound like ideal descriptions of the effects as shown in the video clip. They also match my experiences of seeing them performed and having them applied to me. I don't think "knock-out" means quite the same thing... but "fight-stopping" is what we're all really after, isn't it? I tend to think that the "knock-out" phrase is often a result of the journalist's use of language rather than the budoka's understanding of the technique.

The clip seems to be lifted from the BBC documentary "Way of the Warrior", which was made around 1982 IIRC. It features the legendary Kyusho expert, Bando Sensei (now deceased). His lectures were a fascinating experience and formed part of the extended studies carried out by students of what was known as the Busen Academy, the Hombu live-in training college for Instructors. I was lucky to attend a one-off demonstration lecture in 1985 at Hombu, as part of a one week training session following the International Taikai. Once seen, never forgotten. The main thrust of the lecture was to prepare Instructors in how to deal with injuries, and how to carry out "First Aid". The methods differed greatly from what current "First Aid" manuals would suggest, but then the trainees and the training was to a high standard and for some very specific scenarios, hence the techniques could be relatively sophisticated and definitely NOT for the amateur. Popping a dislocated shoulder back in, before it has time to swell, is certainly not something I'd be willing to try... no, he didn't dislocate anyone to order for that one.

[Colin Linz]

That video is from the BBC’ documentary series The Way Of The Warrior. The instructor is Bando sensei, who passed away about 3 years ago. Having had the pleasure of attending a Taikai where he was instructing I can say that he was a very nice guy with great techniques, he was 74 at the time and had lost none of his touch :D . He also received an award from the Japanese government for his work with their Hospital system and their research into pressure point healing techniques.

[Gary Dolce]

I saw Bando Sensei for the first time at the same International Taikai in 1985 that David mentioned. The knockouts and revivials were interesting, but I thought the demos of what to do for various dislocations (fingers, shoulders, etc) had the most lasting value. I still have the little booklet that he passed out showing the various treatments for different injuries.

He came to the US for seminar in Buffalo in the late '80s. He had people begging him to knock them out (not something I would volunteer for), but he wouldn't do the same demo here. It was interesting to watch him teach juho - it seemed that he used some kind of pressure point for every technique. Fascinating and really painful stuff!