1911 Style 45's [Archive] - BudoSeek! Martial Arts Community Forums

TonyU

03-28-2007, 20:57

As to not derail jwinch's shotgun thread I figured I'd start a 45 thread.
While I titled it 1911 style we can also talk about other 45's.

Cliff, that Springfield loaded 45 is sweet.

As far as internal or external extractor's the consensus among 1911 fans is to try to stay with the internals. On that note my Warrior is an internal and my Pro Raptor II is an external. I do not and have not had any problems with either.

My next 45 is going to be the new Glock 21 SF. What's different form the standard 21? Full picattiny rail, ambidextrous mag release, and a slimmer handle. I handled one the other day, nice!

Cliff Hargrave

03-28-2007, 21:10

I carried a stainless Colt Commander for many years as my duty gun. The only thing I did to it was add an over sized thumb safety and polish the throat. I never had a malfunction with it. I retired it when I got my Sig and ended up selling it. Dumb move on my part. I paid $500 for it, now they are a special run only from Colt and are in $900 to $1000 range.

I am trying to stay in the $800 range because I will still need a holster ($140), mag holder, and several magazines.

Two of my friends at work bought used Colts for about $500 and shipped them off to a customizer which will cost them about $700 more.

My brother has a sweet Kimber Tactical Pro but his is in the $1000 + range.

Plus S&W, Sig, Para, and even Taurus all have 1911s now.

I think I am coming down to choosing between the Kimber Pro Carry and the Springfield Loaded Champion. Stainless preferred.

Cliff Hargrave

03-28-2007, 21:10

Kimber Pro Carry II

Cliff Hargrave

03-28-2007, 21:13

Springfield Champion

jwinch2

03-28-2007, 21:48

My next 45 is going to be the new Glock 21 SF. What's different form the standard 21? Full picattiny rail, ambidextrous mag release, and a slimmer handle. I handled one the other day, nice!

I was under the impression that they nixed the picattiny rail on that and decided to go with the standard Glock rail since pretty much everything fits it anyway. Maybe the source I was reading was incorrect...

TonyU

03-28-2007, 21:50

I was under the impression that they nixed the picattiny rail on that and decided to go with the standard Glock rail since pretty much everything fits it anyway. Maybe the source I was reading was incorrect...
So far I'm seeing them being sold with the full picattiny rail.

jwinch2

03-28-2007, 22:05

So far I'm seeing them being sold with the full picattiny rail.
Cool Tony. I haven't seen one yet though this weekend I am going to try to sneek down to a gun show and will probably see one or two there...

Dennis Monk

03-28-2007, 22:39

I love my Springfield .45 Loaded. It makes a great single stack match gun.
It is slightly more finicky when it comes to handloads than my Colt, but the accuracy is way better.

nismophreek

03-29-2007, 05:29

i'm trying to get my hands on the springfield xd-45 acp. That and I want the Springfield 1911A1 loaded bi-tone. For some reason I really love that gun.

Cliff Hargrave

03-29-2007, 08:24

i'm trying to get my hands on the springfield xd-45 acp. That and I want the Springfield 1911A1 loaded bi-tone. For some reason I really love that gun.

Here is something to drool over

jwinch2

03-29-2007, 08:56

I thought about the XD but I am really not a fan of the grip safety for whatever reason.

TonyU

03-29-2007, 10:14

I thought about the XD but I am really not a fan of the grip safety for whatever reason.
Technically it a copy of the 1911 style safeties. It does feel weird though as they are not as wide as the backstrap, which is how the 1911's are.
They seem to be the up and coming pistol at the moment. I shot when they first came out, although they weren't available in 45 yet. I would like to shoot one in 45 and see how they've come along.

nismophreek

03-29-2007, 13:08

I've got the xd-40. Although I hope to never have to, if I HAD to, I would bet my life on that gun. I've never had a jam up and damn that thing shoots.

Chokushin

03-29-2007, 17:00

I have a lightly customized Para LTC. The customized parts being: a Chip McCormack Ambi-Safety , Kimber Black Rubber Grips, and a Para Beavertail Gripsafety ( the orginal was polished SS ). I have fed 2,000 rounds through it to date with no malfunctions. It is a tac driver but I find it is more accurately with 200gr and 230gr bullets than the 185gr rounds I've shooting out of it lately. The reason for the 185gr projectiles is that I cant seem to find Winclean Ammo around here for it, in any thing other than 185s. I know they make 200gr and 230gr rounds, I just can't seem to get any before it's all sold out. I'm using the Winclean ammo because it uses small pistol primers and it will save me changing the primer tube on my press when switching from 9mm to .45ACP.

To date this has been my best 1911 experience. Previously I have owned a Colt Series 70 , a Para P-14 and 2 heavily customized Norincos. Considering the price of either a Kimber or a Loaded Springfield I feel I am getting the most bang for my buck!

The attached pic is the closet pic on the net that I could find to what my pistol looks like today. I would have taken a picture of it but I don't know how to shrink the file size to be budoseek friendly.

Cliff Hargrave

03-29-2007, 19:10

That is a nice looking pistol!

TicTac

03-30-2007, 18:52

Chokushin - I currently carry a P-14 as a duty gun. I've had the extractor replaced and put a set of Hogue grips (very nice) on it. It shoots great and will feed rocks, but the mag release WAS made out of cheap plastic! Can you believe that? It started failing at Rangemaster school (The 'nub' or tab that the METAL magazine catches on had wore nearly smooth). Luckily one of my buddies had a metal aftermarket one that he 'loaned' me. No more problems. Check your double action for the plastic crap mag release. Switch-out is easy. I don't know if LDAs have the same set-up.

Nismophreak - I just priced an XD .45 ACP 4" ($931 out-the door with three hi-cap mags and an X200 light). I am going to switch over. I shot one the other day. Very nice and it has the same grip angle as a 1911. I consideered the $200 factory custom shop trigger job, but living in Kalifornia apparently makes things difficult.

jwinch2

03-30-2007, 18:53

I was looking at the Kimber webpage (thanks Tony - I can't afford one of those for quite some time), and came across their version of the polymer handgun.

http://www.kimberamerica.com/kpd/

Right now it only seems to come in a .40 S&W, so this doesn't fall under the heading of .45's but I thought I would ask if anyone knows anything about this pistol.

I'm on solid ground with Shotguns and most rifles but I just don't know enough about handguns unfortunately.

Thanks!

Jason

Lame Leopard

03-30-2007, 19:51

Some of you probably shoot a lot more than I do, but I am completely happy with my Springfield Armory 1911-A1. The only modifications I made to the stock weapon were to replace the plastic grips with rubber grips and put on a three dot sight. This weapon meets my needs perfectly.

nismophreek

03-31-2007, 06:54

tic-tac, living in Cali must also make them more expensive. I can get xd-45s for 500 here. should be able to get one with a light for less than 700. 900, I would hate to have to pay those prices.

TonyU

03-31-2007, 07:33

Koshu

03-31-2007, 12:42

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:azePgzkmr_NxQM:http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/spr_pc9105l.jpg

Springfield TRP Operator. Swapped out the backstrap (shown in stock photo above) for a rounded Smith Alexander that matches the original's cosmetics and checkering. Less muzzle climb than other stuff I've shot/own. Heavier than the average 1911 because the front of the frame extends to the muzzle, so not sure if I was a LEO if I'd want to carry it all day (in my case, it's simply designated for the range and defending the home). At seven yards, places rounds within 1" - 1 1/2" of where a Streamlight M6 puts the laser.

jwinch2

04-02-2007, 13:10

nismophreek

04-02-2007, 16:30

Only way they're getting my guns is from my cold, dead hands. I will fight for my 2nd ammendment rights.

jwinch2

04-02-2007, 18:23

With Tony stating that he wants to purchase the new version of the glock 21 I thought people might appreciate this website...

Glock Torture Test (http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90&Item)

Pretty brutal way to treat any weapon...

Koshu

04-02-2007, 20:00

I'm starting to think that I better make any purchases I am interested in during the next year or so. If we get a Democratic president (or even Rudy), with a democratic congress, we are probably going to see some changes in gun laws at the federal level.
Yeah. Buy good-quality stuff, treat it with care, feed it good-quality ball and defensive rounds, and it'll become an heirloom after serving it's duty under our watch.

davidnea3

04-03-2007, 06:03

sweet mercy. you guys make me wanna throw away my duty pistol

Cliff Hargrave

04-03-2007, 06:43

sweet mercy. you guys make me wanna throw away my duty pistol

What is it?

TonyU

04-03-2007, 07:45

Yeah. Buy good-quality stuff, treat it with care, feed it good-quality ball and defensive rounds, and it'll become an heirloom after serving it's duty under our watch.
Ball rounds? I don't think I own any weapons that I've shot ball rounds through. Come to think I don't think I own any. :laugh:

That would change once I retire though.

Koshu

04-03-2007, 11:37

Ball rounds? I don't think I own any weapons that I've shot ball rounds through. Come to think I don't think I own any. :laugh:

That would change once I retire though.
Civilian sees officer's badge and says, "Oh yeah, duh."

Anyway, at least defensive rounds give some wad-cutting action, vs. none for ball rounds, when shooting at paper targets. :D

rgoad

04-03-2007, 12:02

My brother is 1911 freak. He also has a Commander and has modified it considerably. He is licensed to sell and work on them, so he is always trotting out neat toys. Oddly enough, he prefers stainless to anything else, though.

Lame Leopard

04-03-2007, 18:18

Only way they're getting my guns is from my cold, dead hands. I will fight for my 2nd ammendment rights.

When they come for our guns we will give them the ammo first.:wink2:

Chokushin

04-04-2007, 13:19

I dont know if this should be a seperate thread or if it relates to what we are talking about enough to be included. Tony please feel free to move it if you feel it should be moved. I am curious to know how many of you 1911 shooters use 8rd mags vs. the traditional 7rd?

Personally I use the 8rd mags made by either Shooting Star, Wilson Combat, Chip McCormack or Kimber. To date I have had no malfunctions using the aforementioned magazines.

Have any of you had difficulties? Do you find there is an advantage using 7rd. mags? The advantage of the 8rd. is obvious of course.

Part of the reason I am asking is I notice alot of companies seem to distribute their pistols with 7rd.mags. Is it that much more difficult or expensive to provide there pistols with an 8rd. mag? Therefore I am wondering if there is a reason I may not be aware of.

Interested to hear your feedback.

TEA

04-04-2007, 14:47

Chokushin and TicTac (or any other ParOrd shooters), how do you think the LDA on the ParaOrds stacks up accuracy wise to the traditional 1911 SA?

Dennis Monk

04-04-2007, 15:44

Glen, I prefer and pretty much only use the 8 round mags. I also use the brand names you gave, my favorite being the Wilson Combat mags. (They have a much better follower.)

I don't know why most companies still ship with the 7 round mags. I am sure I have at least two growing rust around here somewhere...:D

Chokushin

04-04-2007, 15:45

My Para is an LTC which is a tradional 1911A1 in Commander size. I have fired one LDA and found the trigger to be unique but easy to get the hang of. The sample I fired was accurate and reliable, however I am obviously still more at home with the traditional single action trigger found on most 1911's. If you are not comfortable ( or allowed if it is a duty firearm ) to carry in condition one ( cocked and locked ) then the LDA provides an excellent alternative if you lean toward the 1911 style pistols. Otherwise a Glock or Sig may be the way to go, whether in .45 or 9mm or some other calibre. Hope that helps answer your question.

jwinch2

04-04-2007, 20:55

Here's another new .45 coming on the market either right now or very soon...

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ga_handguns/birthhk_033007/index1.html

TicTac

04-04-2007, 21:20

TEA - I have no time behind a LDA. Shot one once and found the trigger odd, but manageble, long but light. (What Chokushin said)

Chokushin - I Like 8 rds mags when I carry my commander. I like the one Wilson Combat 8 rd mag I have. (What Dennis said)

I have also had good luck with the factory Colt 7 rd mags. All of the GI mags I have shot (except one) SUCKED. probably because I bought most of them at gun shows and they were someone elses rejects. I would rather have a good old 7 rd mag than a untested 8 rd mag. So much so I had a Colt 7 rd mag that I had a buddy tig weld when the base cracked. I loved that mag. Kind of like an old pair of jeans.

TonyU

04-05-2007, 12:52

All right my several cents.
In regards to ParaOrdnance and LDA's. I've had the opportunity to shoot them in SA and LDA. I'm not a big fan. As it has been mentioned the LDA took some getting used, it wasn't bad at all, but I'll stick to my SAO 1911's. I don't see myself buying a Para anytime in the future.

As far 7 vs 8 round mags. I use only 7. It's all I know. Call me old fashioned. If I can't hit with the fist seven then the M4 is coming out. I also utilize only Wilson Combat mags though.

And to add to jwinch, here's another manufacturer jumping on the .45 bandwagon of at least the polymer one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/aburena/24-7OSS.jpg

Chokushin

04-07-2007, 10:01

Hey Tony

Why so anti-para?? Did you have a bad experience with a Para or with the company? I know I had problems with there lack of customer service in the past. However the Para I have now shoots like a dream. A fellow I teach defensive pistol with worked for Para and designed the LDA trigger for them(I know he's being truthful because I know a couple of other people who work there). He says from a shooters point of view a Para is on par with a Colt or Springfield. From an engineering point of view he said they could improve some. He told me that will likely happen as the company expands and grows. Para is a new company by comparison.

Or do you just prefer to buy American?

I've heard many people use the same reasoning " if I can't hit it with 7, I won't hit it with 8 " but then why not use a 6 shot .357 that will never jam or a single shot .44mag Thompson Contender lol? I know that last one was silly but just showing where you could take that philosphy.

If extra capacity doesn't impair the weapons function or my brain ( spray and pray mentality ) which to date it has not. I'm happy having to reload less often ( Mr. Murphy always likes to have you reload at the worst possible time ) and have the extra round or rounds in the event I need them. Say in a situation where you have more than one hostile ( you may say this is M4 time but sometimes there's never an M4 around when you need one lol. ie the North Hollywood shootout )

I'm not trying pick fault..to each there own..just trying to pick your brain if your interested in sharing.

Thanks!!

TonyU

04-07-2007, 10:56

Ever PAra that has gone through our range and qualifications has had problems. The one LDA my buddy has had problems from day one until he sent it back. Just something about guns having problems out the box doesn't sit well with me.
If I buy something new I shouldn't have to send it back to be repaired. Call me crazy.

Chokushin

04-10-2007, 14:03

Tony

I am in complete agreement with you..a gun should function out of the box without being sent back for service. So far I've put 2,000 rounds of varying types of ammo through my Para with no problems.

I'd be interested in knowing the course of fire you are using that is giving the Para's so much difficulty, so I can experiment with mine and see if I have the same issues. Better to find out on the range, what/if any problems there are, than in the field. If you don't want to post the course of fire publicly we can discuss via pm. If you can't share it at all I completely understand. Just looking to test this piece the best I can to make sure it's not likely to cause me grief when it really counts.

Thanks again for all your insight and input.

TonyU

04-10-2007, 15:49

Our course of fire is not strenous. It's anywhere from 6 to 12 rounds per distances, from 25 to 1 yard line. Between day and night course it totals to 100 rounds. So it's not even the amount of rounds.
The problem I have is only based om my experiences with the ones that came through our ranges. Like anything else it's a matter of opinion.
Other guns I wouldn't swear by are Khars and Kel-Tec's
Nor;
Ruger (semis)
S&W's (semis)
Lorcin
Star
and a host of others I can't think of right now.

David Anderson

04-10-2007, 22:24

I've been looking at the Norinco .45s...not as a duty or defensive gun...just something to shoot for fun that I don't have to pay a lot for. Are they worth the money, or are they a waste of time?

Cliff Hargrave

04-10-2007, 23:01

I've been looking at the Norinco .45s...not as a duty or defensive gun...just something to shoot for fun that I don't have to pay a lot for. Are they worth the money, or are they a waste of time?

I have heard good things about them as just plain shooters and I have actually seen some tricked into comp guns.

TonyU

04-11-2007, 05:56

I've been looking at the Norinco .45s...not as a duty or defensive gun...just something to shoot for fun that I don't have to pay a lot for. Are they worth the money, or are they a waste of time?
I have not had any experience with that pistol so I can't comment.

TicTac

04-11-2007, 23:51

It has been my experience that inexpensive 1911's end up costing about the same as a higher dollar model... After you polish the ramp, replace the extractor, work on the trigger, etc. I have seen a Norinco (10 years ago and a couple of others shoot great out of the box).

Chokushin

04-12-2007, 11:51

I have had two Norinco 1911's, one which was out of the box about 10yrs ago that didnt work worth a @%#%^$^&. I got rid of it PDQ. I had another about a year ago that I customized quite a bit.. it worked very well. I bought the piece for about 400 and put another 400 into it..total cost being 800 ( this is all in Canadian funds fyi ). A new major brand name .45 ( Colt Springfield Kimber or Para ) start around 900 and go up to about 2,500.

The modifications I had done to it were as follows: Kimber tritum night sights and rubber grips, Al kings match grade barrel bushing, Chip Mcormack Full Length guide rod and spring, Para-Ord. beavertail grip safety, C&S ambi-safety, Wilson Combat trigger/hammer/internal spring kit. When all was said and done it worked and shot well.

Then I got the bug and sold it and bought a Para-Ord. LTC which I lightly customized..only things it needed was an ambi-safety, a black beavertail grip safety and rubber grips. This gun is a tack driver and has functioned flawlessly.

So if you can afford it, buy a good quality name brand .45 and if you can't then a properly customized Norinco should meet your needs in most cases.

Cliff Hargrave

04-12-2007, 13:07

My new 1911 is supposed to be in tomorrow..... :)

Chokushin

04-12-2007, 14:18

Cliff

Sweet!... what did you end up going with the Springfield or the Kimber?? Do tell..give us the juicy details!!

Cliff Hargrave

04-12-2007, 15:14

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h207/cliffhargrave/champ.jpg

TonyU

04-12-2007, 15:20

Sweet! I will also be waiting for a complete range report.

Cliff Hargrave

04-13-2007, 15:52

The actual pistol.....

Stainless, 4", night sights, ambi safety, fitted grip safety, it even came with a holster and mag pouch. I picked up three stainless Wilson 8 round mags while I was there.

Chokushin

04-13-2007, 16:00

That is a nice bit of kit you got there boyo!!! Enjoy!

Now does it make me a bad person if that picture makes me feel kind of aroused??:shrug: LOL

jwinch2

04-13-2007, 16:51

That is a nice bit of kit you got there boyo!!! Enjoy!

Now does it make me a bad person if that picture makes me feel kind of aroused??:shrug: LOL
Glen,

It doesn't make you bad in my book but the words "too much information" do come to mind... LOL

Cliff Hargrave

04-13-2007, 16:56

That is a nice bit of kit you got there boyo!!! Enjoy!

Now does it make me a bad person if that picture makes me feel kind of aroused??:shrug: LOL

I felt like a little kid getting a Christmas present :) I was more excited about this than I was when I got my AR.

jjaje

04-14-2007, 15:37

...
The modifications I had done to it were as follows: Kimber tritum night sights and rubber grips, Al kings match grade barrel bushing, Chip Mcormack Full Length guide rod and spring, Para-Ord. beavertail grip safety, C&S ambi-safety, Wilson Combat trigger/hammer/internal spring kit. When all was said and done it worked and shot well.

Glen, were all those mods done to make the weapon more reliable, or just more usable to your tastes? Most of those items are aesthetic or personal preference, and really shouldn't affect function nor reliability. The only things in my mind that might affect the reliability are the guide spring, barrel bushing and spring kit.

Generally a match bushing is used for repeatability, not reliability. In theory, that and tightened slides can hurt reliability in a "dirty" environment. Ditto for fancy guide rods. I've seen people go for too light a mainspring and not set off all rounds.

I believe for reliability, one need look at magazines, feed ramps and the @*&%^@* extractor. Those have to be working well for a 1911 style pistol to be reliable. Especially the extractor.

davidnea3

04-15-2007, 22:20

What is it?

Late reply. sorry about it folks. promise me you guys won't laugh. Unfortunately, all of our arms are state issued. .38 M85 Taurus with crimson trace. :(

Chokushin

04-17-2007, 11:26

"Glen, were all those mods done to make the weapon more reliable, or just more usable to your tastes? Most of those items are aesthetic or personal preference, and really shouldn't affect function nor reliability. The only things in my mind that might affect the reliability are the guide spring, barrel bushing and spring kit.

Generally a match bushing is used for repeatability, not reliability. In theory, that and tightened slides can hurt reliability in a "dirty" environment. Ditto for fancy guide rods. I've seen people go for too light a mainspring and not set off all rounds."

Jeff

I understand where you are coming from but I think some clairification is needed.

Night Sights : are far better than what come standard on most 1911's. They assist me in seeing my sights in low light conditions and have nothing to do with asthetics.

Rubber Grips : the don't look as nice as the wood grips that come with the pistol but help get and maintain a secure grip in wet conditions such as rain (lots of that in Canada) or when hands are sweaty in the hot summer sun.

Match Grade Bushing : makes my pistol more accurate. I don't operate in the desert jungle or forest. I operate in an urban enviorment and clean my pistol regularly so I have had no function problems due to this. Much like the debate between an AK or a M-16/M-4. They seem to be serving our troops well in Iraq/Afganistan but they are much tighter than an AK. ( i've owned a chinese semi-auto AK and currently have an M-4 Commando neither have given an problems ).

Full Length Guide Rod : Increases spring life so I have been told. Most major manufactures build their pistols with one ( in fact Kimber Springfield Para etc pretty much all come standard with the mods I made to my Norinco ).

Internal Spring Kit : I didn't use lighter springs I acutally used heavier ones i.e. recoil spring for more positive feeding and heavier hammer spring to drop the hammer down a bit more firmly to ensure ignition on all cartridges.

Beavertail Grip Safety and Ambi-Safety : they are my personal preference and do not affect reliability or accuracy positively or negatively. However, again, most manufactures now market their 1911's standard with them.

Modifications I would suggest people stay away from in a duty/carry gun are :
Compensators, Oversize mag or slide releases and Oversize mag wells, Light spring kits, Laser or Red Dot sights, Light triggers and other modifications made for the sport/game shooting market.

So those are my thoughts on 1911 modifications. I'm interested in hearing other peoples points of few on custumizing your 1911 carry gun ( if it doesnt already come from the factory with loaded, like Cliff's ). I'm sure everyone will have different view points and to that I say " to each there own "

Cliff Hargrave

04-17-2007, 12:27

Put 200 rounds through the Springfield today. Had one stovepipe on the third round fired. No problems after that. I made the rounds touch at 7 and 10 yards off hand. I was dropping them low about 8 inches back at 25 yards. I have to get used to the grip again, it's been a few years since I have carried a 1911. I'll put another 200 through it before I carry it on duty.

I also burned a few rounds through the AR. Fun morning......

You can see some brass in the air in the second pic.

TonyU

04-17-2007, 15:36

So, do you like it? Are you happy with it so far?

When we get together we definitely have to do some shooting and fishing too.

Cliff Hargrave

04-17-2007, 16:14

So, do you like it? Are you happy with it so far?

I love it!

When we get together we definitely have to do some shooting and fishing too.

I am quite certain I can arrange both of those activities :)

Cliff Hargrave

04-18-2007, 16:12

Added some custom stuff.....

Rubber panels and some skateboarding tape :)

Dennis Monk

04-18-2007, 18:55

http://aptenobytes.typepad.com/photos/images/drool.gif
Drooling....

TonyU

04-18-2007, 20:46

Added some custom stuff.....

Rubber panels and some skateboarding tape :)
Blasphemy!

Cliff Hargrave

04-18-2007, 21:12

Blasphemy!

Sorry, it's going to be a working gun, not gun cabinet jewelry.

TonyU

04-18-2007, 21:13

Sorry, it's going to be a working gun, not gun cabinet jewelry.
No need to explain. I understand you need all the help you can get. :laugh:

Chokushin

04-19-2007, 10:52

Hey Cliff

I'd say it's a nice piece anyway you slice it!!! Enjoy your new hip jewellery :wink2:

TonyU

04-19-2007, 12:24

Hey Cliff

I'd say it's a nice piece anyway you slice it!!! Enjoy your new hip jewellery :wink2:
Oh, no doubt it's a nice weapon. Cliff understands me busting his chops. He knows I'm just jealous. :)

Chokushin

04-19-2007, 12:53

you and me both Tony .. you and me both!:wink2:

Budoka34

04-20-2007, 15:35

Cliff,

Nice ride!

I've put more money into my SA Champion than it cost me. :rolleyes:

I still love my CZ's I just wise they'd make .45 cal.

Chokushin

04-20-2007, 16:01

Randy they do make a CZ in .45ACP it is designated the 97B. I'll add a pic here for ya too!2751

Now I won't be the only one in the dog house looking to get a new .45.

If your wondering what I'm talking about you can check out Tony's thread on the Glock 21SF. Advice gents.. don't let your wife ( even if she does do MA ) join budoseek LOL. [ Just kidding dear if your reading this LOL ]

Budoka34

04-20-2007, 20:46

Oh, I'm in for it now. :up:

I had no idea. How long have they been available?

I'll have to check out the 97.

Dennis Monk

04-22-2007, 12:22

When church got out a few minutes ago, Cliff and I went to the parking lot so I could see and feel the new baby. It is sweet!
It makes me want to get one too.
Oh, thats right, I already have one in full size.

TonyU

04-22-2007, 17:00

JiuJitsuRabbit

05-03-2007, 16:46

Any opinions on the taurus 1911? A guy at work insists that they are great quality guns and they are cheap.

On the other hand my cop friend says he only sees them with hoods and they are crap.

Would love a third opinion. Otherwise, I will just have to break down and get a colt.

Chokushin

05-04-2007, 14:18

Yikes

My personal opinion is your money would be better spent on a Springfield, Kimber, Smith and Wesson, Detonics or a Para. From what I have seen at the range, Colts today are not what they once were. We have a fellow spent $1,500.00 on a Colt Gold Cup and it doesnt work with a fidlers fart. No matter what type of ammo he runs through it or what type of mags he uses.

My 2cents worth...stay away from the Tarus or the newer Colts etc.

I hear the Smith and Wesson 1911 is nice, anyone have any experience with them??

Cliff Hargrave

05-04-2007, 15:18

I have a co-worker that just dropped $960 on a brand new stainless Colt and then another $1000 with a gunsmith to make it work right. And it's not even that fancy. For that kind of money he should have went with a Wilson custom.

Another co-worker bought a used Colt for $500, sent it to the same gunsmith and dropped another $680.

I guess I don't feel so bad about spending $800 on my Springfield now.

Chokushin

05-04-2007, 16:24

Cliff

Thats exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. Just because Colt made it first doesn't mean they make it the best!!

TicTac

05-04-2007, 19:51

A buddy of mine just bought a Smith 1911. We went to Rangemaster school together and shot the heck out of our guns (1000+ rounds). His smith shot well and never malfunctioned... Until the last day of class. His thumb safety/slide lock frame mounted spring carrier came completly off. The gun still functioned (no safety or slide lock) and Smith immediately fixed the gun. He still carries it.

JiuJitsuRabbit

05-05-2007, 09:09

In that case, I'm leaning towards a kimber pro carry or a custom II. I have to handle them and see how I like both.

Cliff Hargrave

05-05-2007, 13:37

Lately Kimber seems to be suffering from some problems too. I know plenty of folks who have sent theirs back for one reason or another. One friend of mine has three and has had to send all three back for something. They make them right though.

As far as customer service, Springfield has a lifetime warranty and they reimburse you for shipping the gun to them and they have a good track record of fixing stuff. Kimber takes care of the customers pretty well too but I think you have to foot the shipping charges to them and they pay to ship back. I might be wrong on that. Good luck finding someone at Colt that will even take your call. Taurus has a lifetime warranty but you send the gun to their business office and they ship it back to Brazil for repair. Be prepared for a three month wait. Haven't heard anything about S&W either way.

BTW my Springfield was sent back yesterday because I keep having the same failure to go into battery malfunction. The slide will stop about an eighth of an inch before locking. I had the same malfunction about 25 times in 450 rounds.