bo waza?

[sheb]

I have searched for photos of the european taikai and found this: http://www.shorinjikempo.it/?sid=quaderno_tecnico&ssid=2.

Up to now I thought that in Shorinji Kempo are no Bo-techniques ... is the Bo just a substitution for a Shakujo (do they have the same length?)?

[Anders Pettersson]

Up to now I thought that in Shorinji Kempo are no Bo-techniques ... is the Bo just a substitution for a Shakujo (do they have the same length?)?
Hi Sven.

You are correct. :)
Formally there are no Bo techniques in Shorinjikempo, but quite often you can see people use a bo as a substitute for a Shakujo (a shakujo is not so easy to get hold of, I only have four ;) :p ).

Another problem concerning shakujo is that not many people have been taught shakujo from instructors that have proper knowledge.
Since one don't need to know any hōki to get higher rank, many 7 dan and 8 dan sensei don't know shakujo and nyoibo (and are honest to tell you so). So one can now and then see people just grab a bo (as a substitute) and try out on their own, without proper instruction.

As for the length the Bo is often rokushaku (about six feet, one shaku is 30,3 cm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaku)).
From what I have learned about shakujo the "staff" should have the same length as you, then on top of that you have the head (the metal part with the rings) of the shakujo.

/Anders

[Ewok]

I've had to defend myself from the wife using a broom handle.. I wonder if that counts? :p

I've been interesting in learning how to use a nyoi, but that sort of training is hard to get. I'm having troubling finding someone who has time to give me some bakuho lessons so I can get through my grading.

[Nina]

(a shakujo is not so easy to get hold of, I only have four ;) :p ).

Can`t one buy them normally? Are they always an antiquity?

[Anders Pettersson]

Can`t one buy them normally? Are they always an antiquity?
No, it's just that not many stores sell them.

Shindo-sensei, that had (has?) the Dharma-do shop just below Hombu sold the red type that one can see Ueda-sensei use in the DVD Shorinjikempo sono giho to oshie. That one was quite expensive 45-50 000 yen.

Ozaki had one, with a head that had a design by Mori-sensei, but don't sell that anymore. They stopped about the same time as the new symbol was introduced (the Mori-sensei design shakujo head had a tatemanji).

The easiest way to get a shakujo is to find a buddhist shop that sells the head and one put on a staff oneself.

/Anders

[sheb]

Thanks for the answers.
Just out of curiosity: Where one can learn to "handle" shakujo and nyoibo proper? Are there some senseis (known) which teach it? And because it's not an offical part of the training, isn't there the "danger" that these skills get lost?

[Anders Pettersson]

Thanks for the answers.
You're welcome.


Just out of curiosity: Where one can learn to "handle" shakujo and nyoibo proper?

By finding an instructor that can and are willing to teach it. :)



Are there some senseis (known) which teach it?

Yes a few, but not so easy to find.
Most famous is of course Ueda-sensei, but he has now retired, I don't know if he teaches on special occasions but he has closed his doin (not so long after he received kyudan).
People who have studied from Ueda-sensei and of course other senior sensei can teach, but there are also many senior instructors that never really practiced it much and therefore they don't want (or can't) teach it.

I have been taught a little from a few different instructors, but most of what I have learned is from Kawashima-sensei at Hombu.
From what I have been told by Kawashima-sensei one should be at least sandan or yondan before doing shakujo/nyoibo.



And because it's not an offical part of the training, isn't there the "danger" that these skills get lost?

Yes, it is, and in my opinion it is the same risk with seiho.

/Anders

[Ewok]

I would be interested in the opinion that Kaiso gave regarding this. I've got a speech at home from a taikai after the revised (or at that time) kyohan was released, and he mentioned something about after his own (inevitable) death, what would happen to Shorinji Kempo? Etc etc.

I'll dig it up, but maybe someone (Anders?) might remember some quotable quotes.

[sheb]

From what I have been told by Kawashima-sensei one should be at least sandan or yondan before doing shakujo/nyoibo.... ok, no problem - more than one year I shouldn't need to get my yondan :D :rolleyes:.

Perhaps does Hombu have "secret" records about unoffical Shorinji Kempo techniques, seiho etc. ...