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Has anyone ever been knocked out (KO or KOed) during practice? I have you ever been KOed yourself? By KO, I don't mean total lost of consciousness but enough to knock you down to your feet and required immediate assistance.
Last year ago at Cornell Camp, we were having an intense study session of Tsubame Gaeshi and one of our kenshi who at the time I think was 13, but big for his age, clocked me with a well executed shuto giri. I believe I went down on one knee and remember being revived by our host Sensei.
During a test that I was taking by myself, Sensei asked a senior kenshi to do the final Embu portion of my exam. He gave us 5 minutes to rehearse it out with me calling out the techniques as this kenshi did not remember the sequence. During the exam, I called out Furiten Ni which he confused with Keriten San. The result was while he was preparing to fire a Gyaku Geri, I clocked him in the Suigetsu. I wonder if I got extra points for that?
No. :cry: ................
No. :cry: ................
Are the tears because you wanted to knock someone out or you wanted to be knocked out?
Are the tears because you wanted to knock someone out or you wanted to be knocked out?
I think both... :D
A long time ago I had something like a blackout - don't know why - but the feeling was funny. I would like to get to know the feeling of being knocked out ...
A long time ago I had something like a blackout - don't know why - but the feeling was funny. I would like to get to know the feeling of being knocked out ...
Wouldn`t say it to loud...The feeling might be interesting, but it depends on how you will look alike when standing up...I think that you should have enough control that this doesn`t happen...:D
Tripitaka of AA
08-09-2007, 05:52
A long time ago I had something like a blackout - don't know why - but the feeling was funny. I would like to get to know the feeling of being knocked out ...
I used to wonder what it felt like to be old, wrinkly and feeble. Then it happened, I couldn't reverse the effects... and I wondered why on earth I had been so curious.
Perhaps you have a reason why you want to feel the effects of a knockout... but don't forget that there are some very real medical concerns about the damage which can occur (invisibly) to the brain, in any process that leads to a loss of consciousness. :)
Although keen-eyed readers will recall that I have stated on previous occasions that one of my favourite memories of my time training in Shorinji Kempo was when I was chosen as the Test-Dummy for a demonstration of resuscitation by Mizuno Sensei. I too had a yearning to experience the knock-out and was very interested in the result. I give this reminder to pre-empt any charge of hypocrisy. I don't regret the decision to volunteer, but I was in a safe environment with many very well-qualified people around and it was only done once.
A long time ago I had something like a blackout - don't know why - but the feeling was funny. I would like to get to know the feeling of being knocked out ...
I was checking my frequent flyer miles last night and I have enough to go to Berlin. Hmmmm... tempting thought :)
I was checking my frequent flyer miles last night and I have enough to go to Berlin. Hmmmm... tempting thought :)
But not everybody will get it for free here...:D
David, how did it feel? When you say that it can cause damage to be without conciousness, why does it make a difference when someone with experience does it? So the damage will occur if you do not handle it right afterwards?
Colin Linz
08-09-2007, 19:44
During the 89 Taikai at Hombu I was kicked in the chest while wearing a do. The kick was very strong and left me feeling very strange, weak, and unsteady. I was seeing grey spots all around and generally feeling quite concerned. It was sometime before I could continue the class.
I’ve also had a fairly decent punch to mikazuki that I walked into during Randori one time. It knocked me clean over, I did mae ukemi and came up in chudan gamae without realizing it. I must have looked a bit shaken because my sensei wouldn’t allow me to continue for a minute or so.
As David said, knock outs shouldn’t be something we practice on each other intentionally. I know that some instructors do demonstrate them, but they also have the background knowledge of what can go wrong and how to deal with it. Different kyusho will have different physiological effects, some quite serious like rapid loss of blood pressure. Peoples health can vary greatly and while most people may not have an overly adverse reaction to a knock out, others may have a serious reaction.
Did you watch the human weapon where he said some years ago, an 18 year old hockey player died after taking a hockey puck to the chest. I could see a person passing out after being kicked or punched squarely in the chest.
I quess It could cause a cardiac contussion.
Perhaps you have a reason why you want to feel the effects of a knockout... but don't forget that there are some very real medical concerns about the damage which can occur (invisibly) to the brain, in any process that leads to a loss of consciousness.I have no special reasons ... I'm just curious and see there a new experience. ... and I would never ask someone for knocking me out (probably :up: ).
I was checking my frequent flyer miles last night and I have enough to go to Berlin. Hmmmm... tempting thought :)You are welcome! I think we would find also a homestay for you.
I know this is thread is about knock outs, but I have the same the same fantacy about having a tai Chi Master push me. You know just like the pictures. I really want to see if they can launch all 180 pounds of me six feet thew the air with just a push. I mean airborn, Or maybe and Akiado master throw me with barely touching me.
Benny Hinn the evangilist came threw Phoenix last year,and me and a freind were going to sit on the front row and not fall down when he does his holy spirit hand wave thing and all three rows fall down in front.
Tripitaka of AA
08-11-2007, 09:26
me and a friend were going to sit on the front row and not fall down
The other similar challenge is to attend a "Sales Fair" and leave without buyng a share in a Holiday Timeshare apartment. The outcome is different but a lot of the principles of the attack are the same. Group mentality, peer pressure, boredom leading to a trance-like hypnotic state, sympathy with the "Leader" that leads to a desire not to go against the grain.
Even in a legitimate demonstration of effective techniques, some of the above "power of suggestion" is present, whether intentionally or not. Teachers should be aware of it, in order to protect themselves and their students from coming to rely on environmental conditions that simply won't present themselves in the typical Self-Defence situation.
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