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Don't know wether that's the appropriate forum...? Do you also make sometimes the experience that objects or persons move towards you in slow-motion, although they are actually very fast, and that makes you able to react on them, because you have enough time to react. Do you think one can train that ability? Maybe with meditation?
Musubi Dojo
12-26-2007, 19:26
Don't know wether that's the appropriate forum...? Do you also make sometimes the experience that objects or persons move towards you in slow-motion, although they are actually very fast, and that makes you able to react on them, because you have enough time to react. Do you think one can train that ability? Maybe with meditation?
You can learn to read a person so you can see the attack as it is coming, long before it does, then neutralize it. That may seem like it's coming in slow motion? That' s a product of experience, awareness, timing and technique.
If you're talking about "matrix" style slow motion I don't believe it, but I'd be willing to bet there's a video out there somewhere. ;)
Cheers
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You can learn to read a person so you can see the attack as it is coming, long before it does, then neutralize it. That may seem like it's coming in slow motion? That' s a product of experience, awareness, timing and technique.
No, I didn't mean to read someone, but actually to see things moving in slow motion. Maybe it's more like oneself is able to think in a very short time more than normal, comparable with dreaming, where you maybe actually sleep one minute but in your dream it's like you did things of a whole day?
RickMatz
12-26-2007, 19:41
When I've been practicing Zhan Zhuang regularly, I've had this sense that you describe. It's not so much that anything is happening any slower; it's just that I have more time to deal with it.
A trivial example: someone knocks over a glass at a restaurant, and I catch it.
Again, when I am practicing regularly, I read people a lot better. As I am in sales, and am frequently in customer meetings, I've found this very useful.
Jeff Burger
12-26-2007, 21:59
Yup I have been in that zone before, and yes you can train for it.
There is a 2nd "Matrix effect" - Train with higher level people than who you will be competing against.
You are referring to Tachypsychia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachypsychia). You don't need to train it, it happens naturally. In fact, I would bet that the less you are trained, the more it happens, because a sudden attack is more traumatic and tends to get the adrenaline going. If you are used to being attacked all the time you just dispatch your attacker and move on with your day.
Only slowing of time I have is when the day at work seems to go on forever....
Jeff Burger
12-27-2007, 07:05
I would bet that the less you are trained, the more it happen
The less you try the more it will happen. Which kind of sucks because that could mean when you most need it you wont have it.
I first starting feeling this back in my Judo days when being thrown.
You are referring to Tachypsychia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachypsychia). You don't need to train it, it happens naturally. In fact, I would bet that the less you are trained, the more it happens, because a sudden attack is more traumatic and tends to get the adrenaline going. If you are used to being attacked all the time you just dispatch your attacker and move on with your day.
I think that best explains it right there. It's a perception and a recall thing. In other words it's your recall that makes you think it was in slow motion. It didn't actually happen in slow motion. On just thinks it did.
It has happened to me a lot throughout the years but the most memorable on was my first involved shooting. I've also interviewed many police officers involved in similar situations and have been told by most of them of experiencing the same affect.
While not an official statistic, it's more in line with nirgle's statement about more common after a traumatic event.
Jeff Burger
12-27-2007, 09:37
2 types of time, mechanical and ego based.
Mechanical time is how we measure it and it doesnt change.
Ego based time is our perception, the conitinuity of time that uses ego as a reference point.
Sometimes a short time can seem long (like self defense a car accident...) sometimes time seems longer (a watched pot never boils).
...and yes you can train for it.
How?......
I don't think it's a matter of analogy... it's just anatomy. Our brains have evolved to think faster in fight-or-flight mode. When the adrenaline dumps, your mind samples the inputs from the environment much more frequently than when at rest. Time seems to slow down so you have more "time" to react, but you're just processing information faster than you realize.
Something like that.
Tripitaka of AA
12-28-2007, 01:31
Have you ever glanced up at the clock and seen the Second Hand apparently "frozen". You end up having to look again just to confirm to yourself that it is really moving.
Have you ever glanced up at the clock and seen the Second Hand apparently "frozen". You end up having to look again just to confirm to yourself that it is really moving.
Yes! That happens to me every once in a while. I don't have to look a second time, but I do sit there for a few "seconds" (it seems) wondering when it's going to tick to the next second.
I experienced it when I was totally relaxed, I saw a nut flying in that pace, how bullets do in a movie and there was no need to fight or flight :cool: .
Same with the clock. So why do you get the same effect when full of adrenaline or if you are feeling comletely different? :confused:
I experienced it when I was totally relaxed, I saw a nut flying in that pace, how bullets do in a movie and there was no need to fight or flight :cool: .
Same with the clock. So why do you get the same effect when full of adrenaline or if you are feeling comletely different? :confused:
Does anyone have a book recommendation about this phenomenon concerning martial arts?
No, but you might glean some further insight from one of my favourite books: Fear Itself: The Origin and Nature of the Powerful Emotion (http://www.amazon.com/Fear-Itself-Origin-Powerful-Emotion/dp/0312247249/). In fact Amazon shows enough in the Search Inside! section that you can see, on page 4, the author's description of a car accident he was in during his youth.
Does anyone have a book recommendation about this phenomenon concerning martial arts?
"On Combat" by Dave Grossman contains some chapters on perceptual distortions in high stress situations.
Thanks for the recommendations. :bow:
Does a `master` train that ability? Does he want to achieve that state? I read about a tennis player who could see the ball slower and thereby was able to hit it in a wished way. But does master a technique not mean to be able to let a technique flow naturally, without consciosness? Wouldn`t the chance to think destroy that aim?
Jeff Burger
01-03-2008, 10:50
Does a `master` train that ability?
No, being a MASTER he is already perfect and doesnt need to train.
:wink2:
Does anyone have a book recommendation about this phenomenon concerning martial arts?Flow in Sports (Paperback)
by Susan A. Jackson (Author), Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi (Author) (http://www.amazon.com/Flow-Sports-Susan-Jackson/dp/0880118768/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199405940&sr=8-2)
Disagree, however with the proposition that it happnes more often with less training.
Uh uh.
No no no no no.
I think it's a matter of recollection. I think is recalled more so that way during a scary and traumatic situation.
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