Standing Up

[Musubi Dojo]

This has probably been done before but lets give it a go.

Many people's worst nightmare is being flat on the ground and the guest of honor at a boot party.

What do you teach or what have you been taught to deal with this situation.?

Say one person kicking you and then imagine multiples.
What's positional dominance for getting up?

My jujtusu instructor didn't teach this, but I've seen a few things on video for blocking and moving.

A Gracie tape I had demonstrated (in a sitting position) putting the rear leg down on the side,bent, to form a base and stand, continuously guarding the front.

There was a Kokuyision (sp) tape that showed the defender on his side, rotating to respond to attacks and blocking and striking with both hands and feet.

Ok, what have you got?

Cheers
c

[jwinch2]

Chris,

We actually did some training on this Tues night. We utilized a similar recovery to what you describe seeing in the Gracie tape combined with some maneuvering on the ground combined with some kicks while protecting the face from attacks. We used pads being swung from above to simulate strikes from four different people.

Tough situation to be in, hope I never end up there...

[TonyU]

Draw, fire, smokes clear then get up.

[jwinch2]

Good point Tony and probably the plan with the most likelihood of success...

[Musubi Dojo]

Chris,

We actually did some training on this Tues night. We utilized a similar recovery to what you describe seeing in the Gracie tape combined with some maneuvering on the ground combined with some kicks while protecting the face from attacks. We used pads being swung from above to simulate strikes from four different people.
Sounds like a good drill.



Tough situation to be in, hope I never end up there...
Amen.

If you could roll up into a squatting position you could possibly roll through and attacker and get outside the circle. I've practiced this against a single opponent, you basically front roll down the center of your opponent, as he goes down you roll right across his body and into a standing position.



Draw, fire, smokes clear then get up.
lol. I was thinking the exact same thing driving home last night. So what if your favorite gun is at the cleaners?

The overall strategey has to be to regain your feet IMO.
So how do you get there?

How about log rolling into a kicker? Anybody played with this?
I've messed around with a few different things myself but I'd like to hear from people who have seen it or trained specifically against it.

I saw a biker boot party many years ago and it didn't look like the poor SOB was getting anywhere fast. He just brought his knees up and tried to protect his face while they kicked the crap out of him.

[hollon1usmc]

We actually had to practice this same situation when we were doing a sparing session for sustainment of green belt in MCMAP. First we tried to get up by forming a base then attempting to stand or to roll through your opponent. This seemed to work when the attackers were trying to hit me on the ground with large pads swinging them all about. But when they put on the gloves and the shin guards and were instructed to kick and punch at about 50%. Forming a base was harder then I expected so I attempted to log roll towards one of the attackers a grab ahold of a leg and bring him down then bear crawl escaped over top of him to the outside of the circle. It all happens so quickly that some of the guys kind of went into the fetal position at first until they realized they had to escape to stop the madness. This kind of thing is scary even in a traing environment until you have been in this situation a lot I do not think there is a clear answer on how to escape it. And being that this is in the military forum I would have to say if you are on your back and three or more of the enemy have you surrounded chances are one of them has a bullet left! Not saying I would give up. And if we are talking combat I am doing whatever it takes if that means grabing one of the attackers legs and chewing through his Achilles Tendon well then thats what I will do!

[CEB]

Hope you survive. Find out who they were. Track them down one by one and kill them.

[Musubi Dojo]

This kind of thing is scary even in a traing environment until you have been in this situation a lot I do not think there is a clear answer on how to escape it.

There's no substitute for experience. I think the drill has to be scary. You need the old adrenaline dump to work through it and really learn anything.

I realize everything is situational and there are no 100% solutions. I was interested in what is actually practiced by Budoseekers. I think this situation simply ignored by a lot of instructors. Thanks for sharing your experience.:D


Hope you survive. Find out who they were. Track them down one by one and kill them.

Sounds like a good movie. Who's playing the hero? ;)

[Nick L.]

Hope you survive. Find out who they were. Track them down one by one and kill them.

I think that was "The Crow". Wait, he didn't survive.
I got it, "Hang em' High" yeah where Clint tracks all the scum down and then paints the town red.

[CEB]

I always like High Plains Drifter the best.

[Webmaster]

If skilled in the art of Sinanju, then one does not have worry about being knocked to the ground. :D

[CEB]

I always like High Plains Drifter the best.

Thinking about it again.... I REALLY liked Pale Rider also.

What is really wrong with America is that She no longer is populated by masses of people who can appreciate a good Western revenge movie.

[Erik]

Only drill I've tried is to sort-of go for a double-leg takedown on one of the guys, moving into his leg(s), try to rotate to the outside of the circle, and try to get to your feet to escape or use the guy to block the others with. I hope I'm making sense.

I give this a roughly 20% chance of success (not so great) but it's the best I've seen or tried. It has the benifits of getting in close to at least on set of kicking feet and getting outside the circle with a body shielding you from the others.

That is, if it works.

That position is awful.

[mzee101]

could anyone show some videos about the drills being talked about i would be curious to see what they would look like I have trouble visualizing the drills being described

[Nick L.]

Thinking about it again.... I REALLY liked Pale Rider also.

What is really wrong with America is that She no longer is populated by masses of people who can appreciate a good Western revenge movie.

I have to disagree, the best movie of all time is "The Outlaw Josey Whales". I own three copies. ;)

Once again Clint dispenses revenge on the yankee scum that killed his wife and boy. gotta love it.

[CEB]

I watched Jerimiah Johnson this weekend.
I remember seeing that movie when it was new.

It was pretty good for a Robert Redford movie. The Crow nation was lucky it was only Robert Redford and not Clint that they ****** off when they killed his family.

[Musubi Dojo]

Yup it's a really bad place to be.
Thanks Erik.


Only drill I've tried is to sort-of go for a double-leg takedown on one of the guys, moving into his leg(s), try to rotate to the outside of the circle, and try to get to your feet to escape or use the guy to block the others with. I hope I'm making sense.

I give this a roughly 20% chance of success (not so great) but it's the best I've seen or tried. It has the benifits of getting in close to at least on set of kicking feet and getting outside the circle with a body shielding you from the others.

That is, if it works.

That position is awful.


I have to disagree, the best movie of all time is "The Outlaw Josey Whales".

I don't know about "best movie of all time" but it's up there for sure...

[Nick L.]

I watched Jerimiah Johnson this weekend.
I remember seeing that movie when it was new.

It was pretty good for a Robert Redford movie. The Crow nation was lucky it was only Robert Redford and not Clint that they ****** off when they killed his family.

When I was young, my father was liveing in a old trailer in the middle of our family land in AL., there was no cable. When I visited we would watch that movie over and over. I think all the other movies he had were a little out of my age range.

[David Craik]

1. Jump up at the first opportunity while simultaneously hoping like hell you don't take a crippling shot on the way up.

2. Run like the devil is after you, or at least far enough that you can shoot your pursuers. Unless you have no other choice, I'd avoid being tied up with any of them.

3. Try not to wind up on the ground again.

Unless the technique of choice is drilled so extensively that it becomes second nature, I see most rarely-practiced dojo techniques being erased from memory for most people when the first rib is broken or an eye comes out of it's socket. So I wouldn't hang out on the ground too long, if you can help it. :D

Only my opinion, YMMV.

[John Bennett]

The Gracie way of standing up is the best I've found.

I've used it in real life. A few years ago I was at a 1%'er biker toy run. I should have left when it got dark, but they had free beer, so I stayed after all my friends left to ride home. That was a mistake.

I was minding my own business looking at vendor merchandise on a table in front of a tattoo shop when a group of bikers walked in the tattoo shop and started beating the owner because of some money dispute. One of them walked up to me and shoved my chest and told me to "Get the F* out of here!" while they completed their business.

Being young and stupid, I took offense at being shoved and drilled the guy in the chin. He dropped like a rock, one shot K.O. It was a thing of beauty. Before I could turn around, three of his buddies tackled me and started kicking the crap out of me.

I was on the ground. Three of them were kicking me. I did exactly the Gracie Basic thing of keeping your hands up by your head and rocking. At the first opportunity I planted my hand and swung to crouch with my other hand covering my face, ...Gracie Basics.

I ran to the parking lot played "keep a car between me and them" until I could escape far enough away that they stopped chasing me.

I had a black eye, a deep bleeding cut on my head, and my ribs and thighs were covered with bruises, but I didn't become unconscious, and I got away.

Gracie Basics is good stuff.

[Musubi Dojo]

Thanks John,

That sounds like a pretty awful situation. Glad you came out of it without any permanent damage.

So were you on your butt, legs facing your opponents and then rocking or were you rocking from a prone position?

Cheers
c

[John Bennett]

Not prone. I was doing it just like on the Gracie Basics videos; rocking from supine to sitting.

This has the benefit of keeping your head moving, so it's not a static target. It also makes it difficult for your opponent to predict when you will stand.

I was rocking in a circle so as to keep them changing positions. The more they have to use their feet to move, the less they can use them to kick.

I think one of them tripped over me and fell down, and I used that as an opportunity to stand up.