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kung-Fu/Tai-Chi
12-25-2002, 15:51
Just wondering what everyone does here?
Im learning Wing-Gar Kung-Fu and Chen Style Tai-Chi
SevenStar
12-26-2002, 01:38
Someone just recently had a thread like this - do a search and you'll be able to pull it up
I study Hak Fu Moon Kung Fu.
I've been studing Black Tiger now for 2yrs.
Before black tiger i've studied other styles of kung fu as well as karate some boxing, and wrestling.
kung-Fu/Tai-Chi,
What is Wing Gar?
I've never heard of it. Is it a mixture of wing chung and hung gar?
jmd161:)
TenchuDude
12-31-2002, 11:58
I study Choy Li Fut, Huang Gar, Dragon Style, and Bok Mei.
George,
Have you started the Bak Mei and Dragon already?
If so how do you like them?
Jeff:)
Mandeigh Wells
12-31-2002, 15:27
I study Yang taijiquan and did a little tang soo do to get a bit of speed!!
Orin said:
I practice Tui Shou or pushing hands, some of you mayt say that is not a style in itself, but i have recently broken away from a group i was practicing with and have not subsequently renamed my system yet. what do you mean 'your system' what kind of stuff are you putting together?
Mandeigh
Jeff Burger
12-31-2002, 17:43
Loyal to no style
Studied many
CMAs iunclude...
Nam Kune Bak Tui - Southern Fist Northern Leg...the southern part has alot of Wing Chun and Choy Lay Fut, the northern part mostly kicks from Tam Tui... also has Tai Chi and Xing Yi elements
Tai Chi
Mantis
Nan Chuan
Chang Chuan
Weapons...staff, spear, straight sword, broadsword, horse bench, fan, 3 sectional, whip chain, rope dart, sword and shield, Pu Dao / Kwan Do
Muyu Gung - Bathing Skill = Training to withstand strikes. Iron palm and body.
I have done mostly muscle...palm, forearm (muscle), abs, lats, obliques, thighs, shin (bone and outside muscle), chin, neck.
This is considered Chi Gung but it is by no means some magical mystical energy...build the mucle a certain way and progressively beat on it.
We also do some massage and lignament...I seldom use any types of Jows or lignament unless I have over trained it.
Have also done Karate, Muay Thai, Judo, Ju Jitsu, Kali, fencing, boxing and gone to seminars and worked with people for short periods of time on lots other styles.
Jeff
fightgrrl
01-01-2003, 14:11
started with Yang Tai Chi, which I can pick out of just about ANYTHING else.
Looking at everything
Will try anything -
Misc. training in a buncha stuff from Shotokan Karate to Yoga.
I very much liking grappling/BJJ except for lack of training partners,
getting too old for kickboxing :mad:
but that's ok- I love wushu forms and my bo form for being a lunatic swashbuckler and just jumping around!
Tai chi and internal for coming back down...training in all for what works for me.
martialartsfreak
01-02-2003, 01:01
I've trained in a few arts. starting with Taekwondo. Then it was shoalin long fist(Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming), Judo(for a year), Now it's Hung gar, Wu-style Tai Chi, eagle claw and Hapkido at the same time. fun fun fun. Goes to show where I got my screen-name from!!!
Jeff Burger
01-02-2003, 07:02
Martialartsfreak
Did you train with Yang here in Boston or a sub school there?
He is a pretty amazing unassuming little guy.
Jeff
martialartsfreak
01-02-2003, 14:37
Hi jeff, I trained at Yang's right there in Boston. I lived in Roslindale at the time. The few times I met him, he didn't say much ,just watched the class and answer questions about forms or techique. Once in a while he would jump in and teach the class himself. Usually he was walking around helping everyone.
notoriousBLT
04-10-2003, 13:30
right now I do choy li fut.
Hi
i started off with tkd, then southern praying mantis, tai mantis, american kenpo, goju-ryu karate, and for the last 8 yrs i been training in aikido.:cool:
Currently im looking into: tae kuk mul sul or wing-chun
rpnp
I do Kung-Fu Wingtjun, and done karate untill my blue belt.
I got invited to join a Tai Chi school so I'll probably check that out. Also I'll be looking for this school which handles "snake style" which combigns Judo, Karate, Kung-Fu and other martial arts, I've heard the training is tough and takes allot of diciplin, hearing it makes my heart tick allot faster, can't wait to get there :)
Greetings and peace,
- Xoalin
DatuSadiq
08-30-2003, 01:02
Kuntao
Pencak Silat
Jeff Burger
08-30-2003, 06:56
Yang is really a nice knowledgable.
Jeff
hi
i didnt get much time to train many stylse togeter i practiced a lot my self. and i have studied kung fu tua and new kung fu whit two
diferent masters. and wepons: nunchika,the long stick,and the knife.
i think that when you start kung fu you shold be pationt and try to learn kung fu step by step not like some people cant even jump or they cant even ponch 50 mattow's and they whant to be broosly in two weeks ha ha ha
how i started kung fu? let me tel you:
for three month my first master didint thgot me anything the only thing he did in that three month was beating me and the other students and only building aower budy then after that the beating started to get normal for us, thats when youre budy is ready. then we started streching and kicks and ponches then technics and...
thats how you start kung fu and become a kung fu fighter (step by step). not in two weeks
hey ime not trying to teach anything to anyone it was just an advice for the beginers.:D
I study Lao Chi Kung Fu. It's based on the original five animals system. Also done some Ninjustu.
WhiteDrgnWarrior06
12-16-2003, 14:06
i do pai lum tao kungfu with grandmaster glenn c wilson,been doing it for 4 years now
shaolin-do, which includes
external systems such as: several tiger systems (incl. black tiger), mantis, white crane, bird, monkey, dragon, snake, and other animals.
internal: yang and chen tai chi, pa kua, hsing-i and some good chi kung training.
Originally posted by jdawg
shaolin-do, which includes
external systems such as: several tiger systems (incl. black tiger), mantis, white crane, bird, monkey, dragon, snake, and other animals.
internal: yang and chen tai chi, pa kua, hsing-i and some good chi kung training.
hmmmm
I think you mean several Tiger forms not systems?
Black Tiger itself is a very large system.But then again it depends on which black tiger system you're talking about.But i doubt you have several entire tiger systems within shaolin do.Although i know you guys do have alot of forms.
jeff:)
Originally posted by jmd161
hmmmm
I think you mean several Tiger forms not systems?
Black Tiger itself is a very large system.But then again it depends on which black tiger system you're talking about.But i doubt you have several entire tiger systems within shaolin do.Although i know you guys do have alot of forms.
jeff:)
i am pretty sure we have been taught a couple of forms outside of the black tiger system, but i need to go double check. i will let you know. thanks for the comment.
jordan
jdawg,
I watched a couple of Shaolin Do Black Tiger videos on this Shaolin Do website and they are not from our Black Tiger.They could be from another Black Tiger style though?
Here's the links to the videos i watched.Are these the Black Tiger forms that you've learned or have seen? You'll need divx to watch the video clips.
Shaolin Do Black Tiger form 1 (http://www.shaolincenter.com/video/avi/1stBlackTigerTrish_noaudio.avi)
Shaolin Do Black Tiger Form 2 (http://www.shaolincenter.com/video/avi/3rdBlackTigerWatson_noaudio.avi)
jeff:)
Lau Gar which is a Southern Shaolin style... brought to the UK in the early 70's by Master Jeremy Yau...
Awesome style.
I'm doing Shaolin kung fu and Chen style Tai Chi Chuan
Shaolin kung fu and Chen style Tai Chi Chuan.
Currently I have been working on my shaolin but have been studying specifically Black tiger and Panther/Leapord.
Shado Ninja :up:
Jeff Burger
02-28-2004, 18:42
Shado
Per forum rules please include your real full name.
Jeff
mantisman
03-09-2004, 01:31
Ynag style tai chi and southern praying mantis(Chow gar tong long)
I have trained in various martial arts sence I was ten.
They are in order.
Judo
Tae kwan do
Hsing i kung Fu
Chinese Kempo
5 animal shaolin Kempo
Chen Man Chang Style Tia Chi Chaun
Chen Style Tia Chi
Togakure Ryu Ninjitsu
Various reality based martial arts, including tai boxing mixed in. While in the military.
Krav Maga
I have always wanted to learn Sil Lum Pia but have never found a good teacher.
Sorros
Terry Foster
mantisman
03-11-2004, 01:09
Dont want meet you in a dark alley.Unless I had a 45 Ha!
Mandeigh Wells
03-11-2004, 06:47
I have trained in various martial arts sence I was ten.
They are in order.
Judo
Tae kwan do
Hsing i kung Fu
Chinese Kempo
5 animal shaolin Kempo
Chen Man Chang Style Tia Chi Chaun
Chen Style Tia Chi
Togakure Ryu Ninjitsu
Various reality based martial arts, including tai boxing mixed in. While in the military.
Krav Maga
I have always wanted to learn Sil Lum Pia but have never found a good teacher.
Sorros
Terry Foster
aye I would be really worried about your tia chi chuan :up:
Mandeigh
mantisman
03-11-2004, 08:55
Especially if its the tia maria chi style!
Yea I should really learn to proof read.
I type like a maniac and half the time don't proof read what I spelled.
sorros
I really liked practicing, I spent some time with these guys in washinton park in San Francisco, in the mornings.
chinese guys and some people trying to find themselves.
They kept feeling things that I wasn't sure was there.
I think it was the drugs they were doing the night prior.
It was hard for me, this Chinese teacher kept telling me in this thick accent.
"Loosen up you to tight". Its hard to do if youve trained so combatively for a long time. had the same problem with Hsing I. I did this stupid monkey walk for nearly two weeks until he said I was relaxed enough to even join the rest of the class.
I was in the Air force working out in the gym, every day, I was in great shape. I head about this kung Fu class on the other side of base. Mostly teenage boys and girls.
they use to get a big kick out of watching me do the warm up exercises and drills They woiuld giggle at my grunting and groaning>
SORROS
mantisman
03-12-2004, 01:10
What exactly is Krav marga?
Mandeigh Wells
03-12-2004, 03:50
Yeah I should really learn to proof read.
I type like a maniac and half the time don't proof read what I spelled.
sorros :t2: nah......it brightened up my day !
Mostly teenage boys and girls. they use to get a big kick out of watching me do the warm up exercises and drills They woiuld giggle at my grunting and groaning ha...a kindred spirit!
How did you get on with the Chen style......?
Mandeigh
Jeff Burger
03-12-2004, 05:43
I like training with teenagers.
They are often far more atheltic than the adults an that youthful energy is contagious.
Relaxation is the key to speed, power ( heavy power not just power via speed), surviving hits, not getting hit, energy conservaton.
Jeff
How did you get on with the Chen style......?
I loike chen better than yang. kicks were springer. I like the suden busts.
Felt like I was doing more than parlor dancing.
the form seemed harder to learn for me though.
Maybe the diffence between the teacher from Hong Kong and the American teacher.
It also seemed more martial and applicable.
P.S.
Those high schoolers use to kick my butt.
sean_stonehart
03-12-2004, 09:49
Chen rocks... it's fun. It's a quick way for me to wear myself out. Xingyi is God awful aggravating to be so "simple" in nature.
Who'd you study ninpo with?
How did you get on with the Chen style......?
I loike chen better than yang. kicks were springer. I like the suden busts.
Felt like I was doing more than parlor dancing.
the form seemed harder to learn for me though.
Maybe the diffence between the teacher from Hong Kong and the American teacher.
It also seemed more martial and applicable.
P.S.
Those high schoolers use to kick my butt.
Sorros,
It seems to me that some of your previous adventures in TCMA have been through Mc Kwoons?!?! I have seen you refer to CMA training more than once on this forum as "parlor dancing".
If that is the case.....which i'm pretty certain it is ,then i'm sorry that you had to see the bad side of TCMA. There are far and away more fake,fruad, or just plain unaware teachers out there ,than there are good or great teachers. Your experience with Chen Taiji sounds about right though. Chen is more martial and more shaolin influenced.
The thing you should notice is how you seem to lump most CMA's together when you speak of your experiences with CMA's. I have been very lucky in my 18+ yrs of CMA training. I've had three great sifus in which i've learned from. The first of which i was very lucky. I had narrowed my search down to two schools here in miami. One was an Northern Eagle Claw school ,and the other being a Northern Shaolin school. I was bias to the Eagle Claw school because the sifu was of asian heritage.
Well in speaking with both sifus one on one my choice became crystal clear. The asian sifu took every chance he could to discredit the teacher of the Northern Shaolin school who happen to be of a cuban-american heritage. On the other hand the cuban-american teacher never had a bad word to say about the asian teacher,even after i told him what the guy said about him.
To make a long story short. :p
Not only am i glad that i chose the school taught by the cuban american teacher,but everytime we faced the asian teachers school in full contact fights. Not only did we defeat their students ,but in most cases we destroyed their students. The asian sifus wife who was also an instructor at his school for some 10 yrs. Was also destroyed by one of our female students in a match a few weeks after receiving her black sash.
So my point is this.
You might have noticed a difference in your Chen from an american sifu and a chinese sifu ,but don't get fooled like myself and many other people have for yrs. And assume that a chinese teacher is better to learn CMA's from than any other race of teacher. Because there are many fake or fruad chinese sifu out there like there are every other race of fruad teachers out there.
just my .05 cents :D
I'm glad to hear that your chen training seems to be going well though.
jeff:)
Chen rocks... it's fun. It's a quick way for me to wear myself out. Xingyi is God awful aggravating to be so "simple" in nature.
Who'd you study ninpo with?
Peter Cocheran in Pheonix (If you hav ever seem the documentary WORLD MOST DEADLY MARTIAL ARTS) he is the poney tailed guy sparing with Master Hatsume) , and some with the military guys at the four trees dogo in Tuscon.
Sorros
sean_stonehart
03-12-2004, 14:34
I trained with Peter's group one time back in the 90's when they were still at that place right next to ASU by the whole food/vegetarian place. Peter wasn't in that night though. I met him the next year here in Atlanta at the Tai Kai.
I trained with Peter's group one time back in the 90's when they were still at that place right next to ASU by the whole food/vegetarian place. Peter wasn't in that night though. I met him the next year here in Atlanta at the Tai Kai.
I trained there the 90"s also, Hey we could have punched each other and never knew it.
The advanced class is always at night in a park, they moved around alot.
There still training in the park. One thing that bothered me was they really didn't practice the advanced throws because they had no matts out in the park. I mean the over your head, both feet verticle, my ki was working this time throws.
I kind of felt I wasn't getting all that I wanted. I got that feeling from a lot of schools that i have gone to especially the American ones.
I once had a patient that was chinese at the time I was Taking Tai Chi and Chinese kempo. I could tell that she was a new immagrant. So of course I brought up my favorite subject. Martial arts and Korean Food.
She told me that here husband use to instruct the solders in the red army in China, and they had recently immagrated.
I told her my dismay with finding a good instructor.
She told me her husband knew many style and if I asked he would teach me.
She gave me her telephone number. I was to self embarased to call a perfect stranger and threw the number away.
I have regetted it ever sence and probobly will the rest of my life.
Who knows he could have been the last shaolin monk that locked the temple door and left right befor they burned it down. then run off looking for some Meat and a beer.
I could have learned the DIM MAK.
Sorros :laugh:
sean_stonehart
03-12-2004, 20:41
I trained there the 90"s also, Hey we could have punched each other and never knew it.
The advanced class is always at night in a park, they moved around alot.
There still training in the park. One thing that bothered me was they really didn't practice the advanced throws because they had no matts out in the park. I mean the over your head, both feet verticle, my ki was working this time throws.
I kind of felt I wasn't getting all that I wanted. I got that feeling from a lot of schools that i have gone to especially the American ones.
Sorry about that... I trained with Bud Malmstrom... we never had that issue of feeling shorted... :D The night I was there would've been sometime around March or April of 93. it was just one night while I was in town. Maybe we did.
I once had a patient that was chinese at the time I was Taking Tai Chi and Chinese kempo. I could tell that she was a new immagrant. So of course I brought up my favorite subject. Martial arts and Korean Food.
She told me that here husband use to instruct the solders in the red army in China, and they had recently immagrated.
I told her my dismay with finding a good instructor.
She told me her husband knew many style and if I asked he would teach me.
She gave me her telephone number. I was to self embarased to call a perfect stranger and threw the number away.
I have regetted it ever sence and probobly will the rest of my life.
Who knows he could have been the last shaolin monk that locked the temple door and left right befor they burned it down. then run off looking for some Meat and a beer.
I could have learned the DIM MAK.
Sorros :laugh:
That could've been way cool. Dennis Rovere in Canada learned his xingyi from a former Chinese army officer that taught it combtat style. No holds barred & very little to doubt that you were going to be coughing blood or organs up after being hit.
I love throws,
At the time you visited there was a guy that weighed about 350 lbs or more, he was huge. He is now a black belt there. I remember getting the technique right timing and evething, there was no little jump and roll when I threw him.
This huge guy flew over my back like a plane and fell like a rock. Giggest guyn I ever threw.
I felt like MORIHEI UESHIBA
Sorros
kodanjaclay
03-15-2004, 06:22
I definitely have to agree. Projections are truly awesome, especially when executed by someone who makes them look good, while being effective. I also like that grimaced look when you tap them, after the throw. :)
Must be the devil in me. lol.
My Sigung is in the Red Army. While I have never met him, I have had the opportunity to taste his teaching via my Sifu. Cool stuff. Blew away everything I thought I knew about CMA.
Jeff Burger
03-15-2004, 06:46
"Blew away everything I thought I knew about CMA."
Have you seen Systema?
I have recently purchased some Systema tapes and it is SOOOOO CMA application ( more so than most of the CMA I have seen).
You will see alot of what looks like Tai Chi, Bagua, Choy Lay Fut, Tam Tui and in the ground work monkey....maybe even drunken.
I got into CMA cause they did all these cool weapons.
I had very little respect for their fighting ability.
But I have since changed my tune.
Jeff
kodanjaclay
03-15-2004, 06:48
Truthfully, I don't even know what it is.
mantisman
03-15-2004, 08:33
The avatar says it all baby!
Its not 8 step.
Its not 7 star.
Its not hakka.
Its chow gar tong long.Its punches are also blocks,its blocks are also strikes.We rely on our opponents involantary reflex so it takes the guess work out.You always know what your opponent will do next bcause its what you make them do.Praying mantis love it!
mantisman
03-19-2004, 22:40
Futshan Bak Mei
Mmmmmm! Sounds tasty!
Really though what is it ive never heard of it?
Is it some form of Shaolin?
Harvester
03-21-2004, 21:49
I started out with TKD and left after 5 years of politics and a hyperflexed knee. After watching a mate (actually being his punch dummy) practice Chow Gar Tong Long, I figured it was what I was after, having bugger all to do with jumping/kicking, therefore easier on my knee. After a mere two months of training it appears I was correct.
mantisman
03-21-2004, 21:53
Im also still learning how to tai my chi.
Mmmmmm! Sounds tasty!
Really though what is it ive never heard of it?
Is it some form of Shaolin?
Bak Mei is White Eyebrow!
Bak Mei/Pak Mei White Eyebrow kung fu (http://www.pakmeikungfu.com/)
jeff:)
http://www.komudokwan.com/FutshanBakMeiPai.htm
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/futshanbakmeipai/
http:// www. komudokwan.com/FutshanBakMeiPai.htm
mac,
that link was'nt working ,but i see you were working on it.
jeff:)
Yup. Both should work now (had a space in there).
Regarding the link you supplied - I notice you hail from Fla. Do you by chance know this person from that site ?
Yup. Both should work now (had a space in there).
Regarding the link you supplied - I notice you hail from Fla. Do you by chance know this person from that site ?
No i don't.
It was the first link i came across when i goggled Bak Mei. :D haha
To my knowledge we don't have a Bak Mei sifu here in miami.
jeff:)
kodanjaclay
03-24-2004, 18:59
Mac,
As per forum rules, please sign each post with your real first and last name.
Thanks,
Jeff Burger
03-25-2004, 07:33
Mac
Welcome to Budoseek.
Per forum rules please include your real full name.
Jeff
Forum rules state the you must include your real first and last name with each post !!
Per forum rules please include your real full name.
As per forum rules, please sign each post with your real first and last name.
...maybe I should read the rules ...
another preferred site :
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Thank you.
Mark Coffey
Kansas, US of A
Futhsan Bak Mei Pai
infinite-circle
03-26-2004, 10:32
Choy li Fut since college, I have experiences in "Xing Yi"-"Tai Ji" "Yang" and "Chen"-also met a really good guy who did "Ba Gua" and "Wu Tai Ji"-"Tang Lang"(modern wushu form)-"Fan Zi"(mix of modern/Shaan Xi traditional).
I say experiences because even though I trained with commitment life didn't permit me to get a good foundation in these styles :cry: I train now to be ready for my next chance to train with more great people...
oh... my freshman year I got to do judo it was great but then I met my Sifu...
You know how that goes :bow:
I've mostly studied Chang Quan and Taiji Quan. Lost my teachers in those, so I practice jibengong from both styles, a Mizong Quan form, and I rotate between a few taiji quan short forms so that I don't forget them :). I also started taking Hapkido, and I'm a white belt in that :t2:
Jesse BYrd
05-06-2004, 13:51
I started doing tae kwon do, then hapkido and bon kuk kum bub, now it's baguazhang and xingyi. I'm here to stay btw, the internal arts have shown me things that aren't present even at higher levels of external mas imo.
Jesse Byrd
PHILBERT
05-15-2004, 01:22
I practice Wing Chun and Brazilian JiuJitsu.
At my Wing Chun school, the teacher also teaches a rare style called Fukien Ground Boxing (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0870409247/qid=1084601966/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/103-0691443-8054258?v=glance&s=books&n=507846). However, I am not quite adept at it (if at all) so I joined the BJJ.
At my BJJ school, the teacher also teaches to the BJJ guys Muay Thai. Nothing to the extent as taking an actual Thai boxing class. If I took it about a year, I might get the equivilant of 6 months of actual Thai boxing if I were to go to an actual Thai class. He doesn't offer it other than to the BJJ guys. We also do a little bit of Judo throws (once again, nothing to the extent of Judo schools).
Kyuusaku
05-17-2004, 04:03
Hi, Scott!
I was wondering if you could provide some more details about the Fujian Dog Boxing - how usable is it compared to the Brazilian Jujutsu you are doing? What is the training like? Is the book written by your teacher?
I have heard various things about this style:
1. There are three levels (standing, sitting, lying)
2. You get lots of bumps/callouses on your body from all the rolling/falling
Is it much different from the wushu ditangquan? Are they related at all?
Thanks,
Edward Cha
wchhlc142
05-27-2004, 23:14
(-_-) test my message
kodanjaclay
05-28-2004, 08:33
Each post needs to be signed with your real first and last name, as per forum rules.
Thanks.
I am studying Northern Praying Manits as well as Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming's Chin na.
I have been studying with my sifu for almost 7 months.
_________________________
George Stewart
stimulant
11-03-2004, 03:25
have done kick and Thai boxing
now Mizong for last 5 years
www.zhenwei.org
:D
Stratiotes
11-05-2004, 06:24
Began in karate now working systema only.
Bonus Points to the fellow that can guess mine :bandit:
Dennis Monk
11-28-2004, 12:29
Bonus Points to the fellow that can guess mine :bandit:
I would be willing to bet that you study Shoalin Kung Fu, but that you don't want to limit yourself to just that style. I would go as far as saying that if you could live long enough you would like to study all Chinese styles.
How close was that?
Mandeigh Wells
11-28-2004, 12:33
Bonus Points to the fellow that can guess mine :bandit:
white eyebrow?????????????????
RickMatz
11-28-2004, 13:15
In my youth, Yoshinkan Aikido. These days, YiQuan.
Best Regards,
Rick Matz
kodanjaclay
11-28-2004, 17:40
I agree with Mandeigh... I would say white eyebrow, or maybe as a stretch, white ape.
have done kick and Thai boxing
now Mizong for last 5 years
www.zhenwei.org
Stimulant, My teachers are discipled under Master Lu. He came to our school a few months ago. Do you study directly under him in England?
Tribalweapon
12-03-2004, 01:39
Just started Yang style Tai Chi. I now know what they mean when I hear people say
Tai Chi: Like standing still....but a little faster :D
i study shaolin kung fu and tai chi
sean_stonehart
12-11-2004, 22:02
Welcome to the forum...
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I have been studing Tjmindie for about a year. :bow:
Iron Monkey
02-17-2005, 21:29
I study wing chun, it is about to be two years for me now.
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