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Mekugi
10-11-2009, 08:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mJ_Hnns2Qw&feature=related


I dunno if anyone has seen it yet, it's been out there a while.

Worth a look.

-R
Webmaster
10-11-2009, 08:43
Very nice. Thanks for posting.
jwinch2
10-11-2009, 09:29
Russ,

Is that supposed to be a two man Kata or drill of some kind? Just curious...

Cheers,
Webmaster
10-11-2009, 09:43
Jason, this is likely the kata from which Judo's Koshiki No Kata came from.

Notice the similarities...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3xFGrWXZjs
TonyU
10-11-2009, 10:39
Very nice. I like it. Thanks for posting Russ.
Abbax8
10-11-2009, 10:43
Kito ryu is one of the styles Kano studied prior to formulating his Judo.

Great find!

Peace

Dennis
jwinch2
10-11-2009, 11:01
Jason, this is likely the kata from which Judo's Koshiki No Kata came from.

Notice the similarities...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3xFGrWXZjs

Thanks! I can definitely see the relationship.
Mekugi
10-11-2009, 12:26
What the Boss said.
Check it out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1YLcINgAqE&feature=related


You get a extra credit if you can guess what Koryu has this in it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdWvLDYlu48&feature=related

Just for fun, another old one, the ju-no-kata:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Le9LeVsEY&feature=related
:)

Totally unrelated but...I can never get enough of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyUFSjyvfYk&feature=related

..check out Kimura's infamous "kao-ukemi" (he lands on his face).
elder999
10-11-2009, 13:06
You get a extra credit if you can guess what Koryu has this in it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdWvLDYlu48&feature=related
.

It depends upon who your source for that info is; some say that Kano formulated it, and some say it's from Tenjin Shinyo-ryu-so that would be my "guess." :laugh: (Got video??)

Thanks, Russ. These are great!
Mekugi
10-11-2009, 13:14
It depends upon who your source for that info is; some say that Kano formulated it, and some say it's from Tenjin Shinyo-ryu-so that would be my "guess." :laugh: (Got video??)

Thanks, Russ. These are great!


:) Bingo....you win the stuffed animal!

"Which came first?" is my 'kwestion....

I've seen these kata from said ryuha at the Tokyo Budokan. I rented out the judojo and two exponents came along for the ride and did their thing. No video to speak of unfortunately, but only a sweet, perspiration drenched, fuzzy memory. Good times.

Anyway....

Kano did in fact issue rank for Kito ryu under his line, some of the menkyo certificates are still floating around.

One fellow I know has a genuine article in his possession. Very cool beans!
Webmaster
10-11-2009, 13:41
What the Boss said.
Check it out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1YLcINgAqE&feature=related


You get a extra credit if you can guess what Koryu has this in it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdWvLDYlu48&feature=related
Koshiki No Kata has always been one of my favs. Oh and if you have not done so, please add links to the kata's on the Kata Resource thread.

With regard to your question, definitely Tenjin Shinyo-ryu and from my understanding it came from their Okuden. It would guess however that Judo's Itsutsu no Kata may have come first for no other reason than it has a different look and feel to it than other Tenjin Shinyo-ryu kata I have observed, and it was later added on to their curriculum.


Just for fun, another old one, the ju-no-kata:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Le9LeVsEY&feature=related
:)

Ju-No-Kata is one that I can't get enough of watching. It's funny that many who see it think it looks like a gay dance routine and those who do it flop through the movements and obviously don't have the slightest clue what they are watching or doing. It's too bad because this is one kata that you can learn a lot from.
Mekugi
10-12-2009, 00:22
Koshiki No Kata has always been one of my favs. Oh and if you have not done so, please add links to the kata's on the Kata Resource thread.

Will do boss.



Ju-No-Kata is one that I can't get enough of watching. It's funny that many who see it think it looks like a gay dance routine and those who do it flop through the movements and obviously don't have the slightest clue what they are watching or doing. It's too bad because this is one kata that you can learn a lot from.

Yeah~exactly!
I had an experience like that at the Oregon State games in the 1990's . Two folks were doing the Ju-no-kata at the break, everyone just kind of went off and did their own thing while a handful of people stayed and watched. One guy sitting with me asked me why the heck this "fluff" was allowed at a serious Judo competition. What the Sam-hill was he thinking?

Last year I got to see some Judoka doing kata sets at the Tsuyuhashi sports center (out of the corner of my eye and on towling-breaks, I was chasing people around with a stick at the time). They were fabulous. It seemed that their group sat in awe during most of it, kinda of wondering what they were doing.

The thing about Judo, the one thing that Kano did that was unlike most other Jujutsu during his time, was to show people his Okuden. It seems that lot of the high level stuff is hidden right there in front of you. He was open about it, and now that times have changed maybe it's not as important. Showing stuff like that could get you killed in ye old days when bushi payed attention to weaknesses. Maybe folks should take note to it more often.....
TonyU
10-12-2009, 10:33
Ju-No-Kata is one that I can't get enough of watching. It's funny that many who see it think it looks like a gay dance routine and those who do it flop through the movements and obviously don't have the slightest clue what they are watching or doing. It's too bad because this is one kata that you can learn a lot from.
Funny, while I don't know much about jujutsu nor judo, I see exceptional technique there.
Gunyo Kogusoku
10-20-2009, 18:46
The thing about Judo, the one thing that Kano did that was unlike most other Jujutsu during his time, was to show people his Okuden. It seems that lot of the high level stuff is hidden right there in front of you. He was open about it, and now that times have changed maybe it's not as important. Showing stuff like that could get you killed in ye old days when bushi payed attention to weaknesses. Maybe folks should take note to it more often.....

Hmm... Yes and no.

Kano did teach a lot, but not to everybody. He was an educator and a prolific note taker. It's quite interesting to note that in the Kodokan museum, Kano's notebooks are still archived (AFAIK, they are not shown to the public anymore.)- Written in English so that his students couldn't get the good ahead of time, particularly gokui.


I've seen these kata from said ryuha at the Tokyo Budokan. I rented out the judojo and two exponents came along for the ride and did their thing. No video to speak of unfortunately, but only a sweet, perspiration drenched, fuzzy memory. Good times.

Good lord that was ages ago. :eek:


Kano did in fact issue rank for Kito ryu under his line, some of the menkyo certificates are still floating around.

One fellow I know has a genuine article in his possession. Very cool beans!

He did similar with Tenjin Shinyo-ryu too. In fact, not only several of his highest ranking deshi were licenced practitioners of the ryu, For the first few years of the Kodokan's existance, Tenjin Shinyo-ryu techniques were being taught, with "midare" (randori) in Kano-ryu. Kodokan Judo's first judan, Yamashita Yoshitsugu was a member of Tenjin Shinyo-ryu.
starkjudo
10-20-2009, 20:43
Ju-No-Kata is one that I can't get enough of watching. It's funny that many who see it think it looks like a gay dance routine and those who do it flop through the movements and obviously don't have the slightest clue what they are watching or doing. It's too bad because this is one kata that you can learn a lot from.

You ought to see Chris & Janet Dewey perform it.
Mekugi
10-21-2009, 08:39
Hmm... Yes and no.

Kano did teach a lot, but not to everybody. He was an educator and a prolific note taker. It's quite interesting to note that in the Kodokan museum, Kano's notebooks are still archived (AFAIK, they are not shown to the public anymore.)- Written in English so that his students couldn't get the good ahead of time, particularly gokui.

Yeah grain of salt there. It seems he would not teach them or give insight straight away, but was showing them publicly and not afraid to do so. Compared to other schools, for example Shinto Muso ryu, which would only show one kata in demonstration before the 1950's (Tachi-otoshi, the first from the Omote) he was giving up the goose from the start.