Should ALL animals eat high fat, low carb?

[DragonMind]

Interesting study on lowland gorillas and the actual content of their diet.

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/should-all-animals-eat-a-high-fat-low-carb-diet.html

[Webmaster]

If we can RESET our relations with the Russians, then I can damn well RESET this thread. So rather than trying to weed through the thread and delete the bad and keep the good, I decided to delete all of the posts in this thread from the first reply back. We now have a nice and empty thread in which we can discuss the topic, and not get personal.

Gentlemen, you will discuss the topic by presenting facts and discussing the merits of your position.

As the dearly departed posts from this thread also had some good information in the form of links to articles in support of the low-carb diet, I have copied them and pasted them below for your perusal.

Optimal dietary approaches for prevention of type 2 diabetes: a life-course perspective (http://www.springerlink.com/content/c172144176588243/)

The Effects of Macronutrient Intake on Total and High-molecular Weight Adiponectin: Results From the OMNI-Heart Trial (http://www.nature.com/oby/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/oby2009402a.html)

Pathogenesis and pathophysiology of accelerated atherosclerosis in the diabetic heart (http://www.springerlink.com/content/j1j381023187u127/)

Understanding Cholesterol and Heart Disease (http://www.menshealth.com/men/health/heart-disease/understanding-cholesterol-and-heart-disease/article/34cf5983f7a75210vgnvcm10000030281eac)

How restricted calorie diets -- specifically in the form of restricted glucose -- help human cells live longer. (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091222105219.htm)

Is Cholesterol Relevant to Heart Disease? (http://www.spacedoc.net/cholesterol_relevant_heart_disease)

I have mentioned before that I am pro-dairy and anti-soy, here is one reason why (http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/91/1/16)

Effects of dietary carbohydrate restriction versus low-fat diet on flow-mediated dilation (http://www.metabolismjournal.com/article/S0026-0495%2809%2900250-9/abstract)

Carbohydrate intake drives diabetes in India. (http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=6657364&fulltextType=RA&fileId=S0007114509990468)

Impairment of fat oxidation under high vs low glycemic index diet occurs prior to the development of an obese phenotype. (http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/ajpendo.00515.2009v1)

Is gliadin (from Gluten in wheat) really safe for non-coeliac individuals? (http://gut.bmj.com/content/56/6/889.extract)

Dietary carbohydrate restriction and prostate cancer (http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/9W3rDV/findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0887/is_10_28/ai_n42029706//r:t)

Some posts on respected blogs by doctors and scientists referencing and interpreting studies in favor of low-carb vs. low-fat:

A great post on a great blog by a medical doctor on whether Carbs are actually necessary in your diet. (http://www.paleonu.com/panu-weblog/2009/8/28/carbohydrates-no-dietary-requirement-but-metabolically-criti.html)

Carbs, Fibre and Breast Cancer (http://comfort-eaters-diet.blogspot.com/2010/01/carbs-fibre-and-breast-cancer.html)

A post listing the corporate sponsors and supporters of the Diabetes UK "charity" (http://comfort-eaters-diet.blogspot.com/2009/12/rhubarb.html)

Diet and disease--the Israeli paradox: possible dangers of a high omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty acid diet. (http://grande.nal.usda.gov/ibids/index.php?mode2=detail&origin=ibids_references&therow=102690)

[Jonathan Randall]

If we can RESET our relations with the Russians, then I can damn well RESET this thread. So rather than trying to weed through the thread and delete the bad and keep the good, I decided to delete all of the posts in this thread from the first reply back. We now have a nice and empty thread in which we can discuss the topic, and not get personal.



Thanks much.

I personally think - and, of course, I'm no scientist - that the real problem encountered in this debate is the either/or attitudes of those on opposing sides. What I've concluded reading these threads - and from considering both David and Jason's posts - is that fat as a mortal threat to the health of Americans was way overstated beginning in the 1970's, High Fructose Corn Syrup is NOT a good thing (thanks much, David for those posts), that I'm consuming FAR too many carbs. each day, but that I would personally skip on a strict Ketogenic Diet and take the longer, but more secure, IMHO, of regular dieting combined with regular exercise (a la Jason's posts).

Despite the clashes, some very good, useful ground has been covered and I'm receiving some good education on the subjects involved.