Bushido

[ky_]

what do u know about Bushido? what are your views? dose bushido have a place in the modern world?do u c it as an :alien: consept?

[ky_]

"pleas post a reply all"
"no one has said enything on the subject

[Jason H]

Bushido
Roughly translated, the "way of the bushi" or "warriors way".

[ky_]

"so what are your views on the questions above"
"what do u know of the way"?

[ky_]

maby Kenji would care to enlighten us, "he seems to know alot about the subject"<<<<sarcasme

[Jason H]

Kyle, maybe if you have a problem with someone else on Budoseek, you should not post it all over the forums and either resolve the matter between the two of you privately, or just leave well enough alone.

[riku]

ky-
Perhaps you should make a bit more precise question(s); this topic is something like 'Explain the universe, and give two examples."

Riku Ylönen

[ky_]

there are examples in the question.
eg does bushido have a pace in the modern world.
ill start you off- yes but bushido has changed and samurai, those that still exist are more of a social class than soldiors.
they are more likely to be found as bodyguards or organised crime nowadays.

[Webmaster]

You want to know about Bushido? Fine, here is the Bushido 101 class.

Bushido literally translates to "Way of the Warrior". It is the union of martial traditions and strategy with the moral codes of the warrior class, especially as influenced by Neo-Confuscian thought. It was essentially a code of conduct for the warrior class. Like modern soldiers today, a bushi was expected to ahold a higher level of personal conduct in society. Bushido dictated that they act honorably in both their personal lives and in battle. That they show courage, compassion and integrity. They also sought justice where none was present. They were expected to show dedication and loyalty to their Lord (their seniors). After all, "samurai" literally means, "one who serves". Oh BTW, ronnin was a samurai who held no rank and was without a master to serve. This is not normally thought of as an "honorable" thing to be known as. A "wave man" was essentially on par with todays homeless, and it was often the result of dishonorable conduct and they had been released by their Lord, or their Lord has died and they did not do the honorable thing and join him in death.

As I mentioned, it is a code of conduct, not an excuse to behave like asses (make special note of this). In the past, the Bushido has been abused to excuse the worse of human behavior, such as the many war crimes committed by the Japanese during World War II.

If you are going to try and conform to the precepts of Bushido, why not start now by following the rules (integrity) and treating your fellow members with respect?

[Skye]

I remember reading an interesting online article that pointed out that the earlier followers of Bushido were very class based. Bushido was a way of 'acting their class' much like being a gentlemen in England during the Victorian era. The article also noted that the Japanese governments popularisation of Bushido during WWII would have been perceived as breaking down the class barriers that were so important to early Bushi.

[ky_]

i remember that a certain man said that if you had not been maid a ronnin by your master at least 7 times you are not a tru samurai.
this was often used as a test for samurai.
am i right?

[RA Miller]

No

[Shinoma]

From what I heard, Bushido is the way of the Samurai. It's an honorable way of living

[Lawrence]

Hi there,

A little bit more about bushido...

It should have been set in stone, but unfortunatly it wasn't. Over time bushido was changed by the government, creating opportunities for them to manipulate the bushi. By the time of the second world war, bushido had changed for (I think this is correct) the third time.

Now when the scolars were first outlining bushido, they refered to the 99 precepts (amongst other things) of the Takeda. These were written to outline how the family should treat and act with regard all other situations and meetings. As they were a very arestocratic family, their code of conduct was of of a high morel standard and also related back to ancient parables from the acolates.

Anyway, bushido is probably not the most appropriate code of conuct for an individual to follow in this day and age. Personally speaking, it is of historical interest and the occasional moment of awakening, but not something to live your life by. Now ninpo on the other hand....

Anyway,

Take care,

Lawrence Fisher.

[TaifuSan799]

Ky_, about your post describing the Samurai's place in modern society, the samurai class was abolished in the late 1800's. Put enogh effort into research and you'll see I'm right.

[johenora]

Bushido:
Has good and bad features. Take your pick.The amiable webmaster put it in a nutshell rather adroitly.
There is more in the Bushido--Tuttle book that has recently been released.
Happy Holidays,
Cheers.

[johenora]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lawrence
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Now when the scolars were first outlining bushido, they refered to the 99 precepts (amongst other things) of the Takeda. These were written to outline how the family should treat and act with regard all other situations and meetings. As they were a very arestocratic family, their code of conduct was of of a high morel standard and also related back to ancient parables from the acolates.
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Anyway, bushido is probably not the most appropriate code of conduct for an individual to follow in this day and age.
----------The 99 rock water precepts were fine for sub infeudation but as Mr Lawrence says not so good modernly.
Agreed.
Who would want to commit suicide if you disagreed with your WarLord(Daimyo)? Most are not in that much a hurry to go to heaven or give up the body in suicide (Seppuku). Painful too.See the Movie SHOGUN which really describes the Code of Bushido etc.
Cheers on that morbid note.
Happy Holidays.

[Harutomo]

I believe one must not think in terms of the daimyo, for, as was said earlier, the samurai were abolished in the late 1800's(I believe the law was passed in 1867). if samurai means "he who serves" then if there is no servant how can there be a master. the samurai belief and mentality remain to some extent, but the samurai themselves are gone. the bushido was a code of honor/justice/etiquette, and the seppuku aspect was their way of regaining/retaining honor. if you wish to follow the bushido and apply it to modern time one must think of what is right and true, one serves no master, one must serve a PURPOSE.if you serve truth, how can you dishonor yourself? :bow:

[YiLiQuan1]

As the esteemed members of this illustrious board have already duly noted, bushido, as a code of daily conduct, was initially never fully outlined. The word "bushido" wasn't even coined until long after such behavior was part of the fabric of feudal Japan.

For greater insight, I recommend Nitobe's book "Bushido - The Warrior's Code."

My only new contribution to this discussion is the fact that, as is often done in the US, understanding a thing by removing it from its cultural context will inevitably lead to false understanding. Much that is commonly held as part and parcel of bushido is just as much if not moreso an expression of the Japanese culture at the time of its development. From my experience, you simply cannot withdraw one specific "slice" of Japanese culture and view it separate from all other "slices."

Whoever gave ky_ his information should be slapped, preferably with a hardbound edition of Secrets of the Samurai by Tuttle Press... :laugh:

:bow:

[Ewok85]

Could we perhaps say that bushido is the japanese equivelant of european chivalry?


i remember that a certain man said that if you had not been maid (made) a ronnin (rounin/ronin) by your master at least 7 times you are not a true samurai.
No, you become ronin its seppuku time. 7 times makes you very very dead.

[YiLiQuan1]

i remember that a certain man said...

What certain man?

[Coleen Twig]

I thought Ronin was "masterless" warrior...


Coleen