How do you feel about Raw Milk? How about cold cuts (deli meats)?

[Rasputin]

Please check all that apply:

[Webmaster]

Now that I learned more about raw milk, I am a lot less concerned about the safety issues, but the reality is that I consume very little dairy products with the exception of cheese. That's especially important now that I have figured out that I am lactose intolerant, because losing dairy from my product has resulted in my rarely having heartburn any more. :)

Cold cuts/deli meats, no thanks.

[Erik]

Sorry, what's the connection with cold cuts?

[sean_stonehart]

Now that I learned more about raw milk, I am a lot less concerned about the safety issues, but the reality is that I consume very little dairy products with the exception of cheese. That's especially important now that I have figured out that I am lactose intolerant, because losing dairy from my product has resulted in my rarely having heartburn any more. :)

Cold cuts/deli meats, no thanks.

See that's me too... lactose intolerant. So not a biggie for me.

Cold cuts... I'll buy'em & eat it quick because I just dig it. Although I have gotten in the habit of doing my own cold cuts by smoking the meat myself on my grill & then slicing it myself.

I'm waiting for the punch line on this topic though.

[Rasputin]

I was going to wait until more people had voted, Erik.

According to the CDC, when comparing the rates of illness from people drinking Raw Milk and eating Cold Cuts, especially from Listeria, cold cuts have 10x the rate of people who develop food poisoning per capita as raw milk drinkers, although people will usually freely eat deli meats while shunning raw milk due to fears of infection.

In addition, raw milk from pastured animals comes with a full complement of enzymes and lactobacilli which assist in its digestion, rendering it fine for those who otherwise report themselves as lactose-intolerant. In fact, it has been used as a treatment for allergies (similar to the effects of Raw Honey), quite successfully in many people.

[Erik]

Thanks, David.

Just because one thing is less dangerous than the other doesn't mean we should do the other. Not saying this applies to milk/cold-cuts, just the model. Sorry, I'm in software algorithmic mode, digging into the logic and not the actual point....

So, you guys are all lactose intolerant? You can read minds? :)

I have a hard time digesting many milk products but I can still eat some. I had cheese this morning and a 1/2 liter of cream of mushroom soup (reminds me of the Great Santini, but that's another story). That will be all for a few days.

Odd, the worst milk product for me is Milka chocolate (the BEST chocolate bar on the planet and I'll fight anyone who disagrees) but I'm okay with ice cream, certain types of cheese (not cheddar), and cream soups. Go figure.

I'd be glad to try raw milk. I don't know where to find it around here, though.

[Rasputin]

Just because one thing is less dangerous than the other doesn't mean we should do the other. Not saying this applies to milk/cold-cuts, just the model. Sorry, I'm in software algorithmic mode, digging into the logic and not the actual point....

What I was eventually going to get at was that avoiding Raw Milk (or drinking Pasteurized/Homogenized instead) because of fears of food poisoning but still eating cold cuts might be worth examining again. I don't think that it is any sort of panacea, but my research leads me to believe that it should be legal and monitored, not vilified and eradicated. However, the only way it will be protected (along with citizens' rights to eat what they choose) is if we act to protect it. The government has been moving to stamp out raw milk and many other traditional foods within the last couple of decades, due to misplaced concerns about health and safety. This is analogous to the school districts which are banning home lunches for kids, cities closing down lemonade stands, farms not being allowed to slaughter or sell their own animals, and the list goes on.

The Milka chocolate bars most likely have extra lactose added, since it is cheaper than cocoa solids. Most processed dairy products (cream, ice cream (unless made with milk), cheese, yogurt) either have the lactose removed along with the whey or they have it adulterated with a culture which digests the lactose, producing lactic acid and flavors.

California is still one of the few states which allow Raw Milk to be sold in stores, Erik. Whole Foods recently stopped carrying it due to pressure from the government, but local health food stores should still have it for sale.


I have a hard time digesting many milk products but I can still eat some. I had cheese this morning and a 1/2 liter of cream of mushroom soup (reminds me of the Great Santini, but that's another story). That will be all for a few days.

Odd, the worst milk product for me is Milka chocolate (the BEST chocolate bar on the planet and I'll fight anyone who disagrees) but I'm okay with ice cream, certain types of cheese (not cheddar), and cream soups. Go figure.

I'd be glad to try raw milk. I don't know where to find it around here, though.

[sean_stonehart]

Greek yogurt makes my stomach feel better when funky.

[Ramirez]

Put me on the lactose intolerant list, I always thought it was a condition that Mediterranean , Asians, Africans were prone to... basically anyone who wasn't of Northern European ancestry.

I'm surprised to see so many posters here who are not of that background lactose intolerant.

As for raw milk or cold cuts, I don't take a chance, I even make sure hot dogs reach a temperature of 160 degrees Far. in order to kill the bacteria.

[Webmaster]

Lactose intolerance is very common amongst Asians. Both of my kids (who are half-Asian) are lactose intolerant. Combine their Asian heritage and my genes, and they're pretty much screwed for dairy. Both still consume dairy, but in moderation. In my case, I never knew that I was lactose intolerant until I went on the low-carb diet and cut milk from my diet. I replaced cow's milk with either Almond milk or Coconut milk and heartburn for me went away. I cannot remember the last time I had heartburn, it's been that long now. I was thinking that the heartburn was primarily from tomato sauces and other acidy foods, but even now I can eat marinara, pizza sauce or whatever, and not the slightest heartburn. So my discovery was a good thing for me. :)

[Abbax8]

I can't drink milk, hate the taste and get sick, except for milk chocolate or milk on cold cereal, which I eat a bit.

As for enzymes and good bacteria, I am a huge believer that many of the complaints people have are due to enzyme and good bacteria deficiencies. There are studies going back to the 1930's discussing the nutrient deficiency caused by mechanized farming.

Dennis

[Rasputin]

I have a friend who is eating Paleo and exercising to help recover from developing prediabetes. Today, I gave him a pint of my fresh raw milk when I picked it up from the milk mafia. He tried it out on an empty stomach after fasting for ~18 hours. His blood sugar results, tested every 15 minutes:
Baseline: 104 (he runs high, but it is much lower than it used to be)
15 Minutes: 97
30 Minutes: 98
45 Minutes: 124
60 Minutes: 129
75 Minutes: 123

Just in case anyone is curious. Results are, of course, skewed from what would be expected if taken with a meal.

[Ramirez]

in Europe unpastuerized cheese is common, they don't seem to have an epidemic of food illness from it......not that I would take the chance.

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[rainesr]

Today, I gave him a pint of my fresh raw milk when I picked it up from the milk mafia.
I grew up on raw milk, many of my cousins have dairy protein intolerance but they have no issues with raw cow or goats milk. I think it tastes so much better than pasteurized milk. I have lost access to it since I moved down to Louisiana. There are allowances in most states for the Amish to sell it, but not in Louisiana as far as I have found.

I would love to drink raw milk, especially goat milk, again.

~Rob

[Rasputin]

I would love to drink raw milk, especially goat milk, again.

~Rob

Road Trip!

I can't personally help you with goat milk, although I do know of a local goat farm nearby that might be amenable.