Shin conditioning

[ninjandrew]

Can some1 pls tell me how muay thai practitioners condiotion their shins to be so rough??
How insane can a muay thai kick get??

[Jeff Burger]

Scroll down in Muay Thai a bit...there is already a thread on this topic.


Jeff

[ninjandrew]

But what about conditioning? Not so much form as "breaking in the legs". If some muay thai guy kicked me in the shin right now, I bet it would hurt like a son of a *****.

I heard some people could work their way up to kicking trees. And that some could even kick through small ones. As unlikely as that sounds. The "boulder kicking" idea comes to mind, similar to Darksons monk story, buuuut no.

[De_Franza]

Use a method I learned from Hank, Barry's half-wit brother.
first, be sure you can hold a horse stance for at least 4 hours without any breaks. then get in horse stance in a vat of hot water (a kiddle pool works well) and bang your shins with a hammer or bat. about 50 strokes on each shin. be sure to break the skin and suffer as much as possible. then rub in a linament of ginger root, oregano, orange rinds and crack. put on a woolly hat and get into a vat of cold water. repeat the beatings with a hammer, being sure all the while to focus your ki into your shins and concentrate on commanding your cells to heal and strenthen. rub powdered glass all over your legs, paying special attention to the 4th meridian of the liver on the left leg and chant "doof" continually. do this 9 times daily for 2 weeks. then begin kicking trees as often as possible, then light yourself on fire. you will be invincible with perfectly conditioned shins. after that, for you, I'd recommend skipping boulders and moving straight up to a big piece of steel. you can often steal one from a construction site if you are fast and stealthy enough.
then do a search in the Muai Thai forum for the shin conditioning thread like Jeff said.

BTW: it's clear that was sarcasm and you shouldn't beat yourself with a hammer, right?

[ninjandrew]

Okokok, I found it.

[Jeff Burger]

I kicked down a banana tree in Thailand...took awhile...easier than most people probably think.

Ever felt a banana tree? They are softer than regular trees.


De Franza...
Darn...why did you put it was sarcasm?
Sarcasm is a Darwin test...its only sarcasm when you realize it.

There is already a thread on shin conditioning.

Jeff

[Shiro_ryuu]

I would recommend for shin conditioning, NOT kicking anything harder than human, try kicking a heavy bag, or if you can, plant your own banana tree in your yard and kick it when it becomes big enough, but that takes too long.

[Good advisor]

I kicked down a banana tree in Thailand...took awhile...easier than most people probably think.

Ever felt a banana tree? They are softer than regular trees.


De Franza...
Darn...why did you put it was sarcasm?
Sarcasm is a Darwin test...its only sarcasm when you realize it.

There is already a thread on shin conditioning.

Jeff

Congratulations but what about the tree, any kid from thaialnd can, its so soft they use like a heavy bag, the banna trees and wrap food and things anfd grow fruits the leaves is to wrap over food and things.
By kicking the banna tree have you got permission becuse its scared in Thailand. And I know alot about banna trees then anyone here becuse am from thailand and my dads grow banna trees.

[Good advisor]

I would recommend for shin conditioning, NOT kicking anything harder than human, try kicking a heavy bag, or if you can, plant your own banana tree in your yard and kick it when it becomes big enough, but that takes too long.


My friend, it depends on the soil it won't grow in europe but america is hot enough maybe.

[redqueen290]

my sensei told me about a guy who would take bamboo poles and grind them it into his shins because it would kill the nerves so that it didn't hurt when he got kicked. Sounds painful though, i think i would just rather suffer the occasional kick to the shin then do that.

[Shiro_ryuu]

Well if I can grow it in America, maybe I think growing a banana tree to kick it is worth a try.

[Andrew Green]

Well if I can grow it in America, maybe I think growing a banana tree to kick it is worth a try.


Won't grow very well if you keep kicking it ;)

Your shins will become conditioned as a natural result of your training, doing anything that seems like a dumb idea will probably do more harm then good.

[Jeff Burger]

Spending 10 years to grow a tree so you can kick it down in a hour probably isnt a good idea.

I did the banana tree in Thailand and they are soft and its no biggy.

Slow and steady wins the race.
Your body can only change so much so fast. If you rush it its just wasted pain.
You might be all gung ho in the beginning but after enough pain you subconsciously if not put right you are going to dislike training.

Jeff

[fishtaco]

my sensei told me about a guy who would take bamboo poles and grind them it into his shins because it would kill the nerves so that it didn't hurt when he got kicked. Sounds painful though, i think i would just rather suffer the occasional kick to the shin then do that.

What I heard (not sure if this is true) is a variation of that. I heard some people would get their shin nerves surgically killed off (or removed?) for the same purpose? Is that even possible?

Ben Chang

[Jeff Burger]

You can feel safe filing that under crap.

Jeff

[tofufighting]

This is similar to a post above.. A bottle in vegetable oil (the oil doesn't really matter) and then grind it along your shins. This works. Don't overdue.. Use this along with kicking a punch bag

[Skye]

Killing your nerves is fairly unlikely, they usually regenerate even after much more severe injuries having bamboo rubbed on them. It's pretty common to roll rattan or bamboo sticks over your shins, or tap them lightly, though.

[Dustin Ferguson]

I have been training in muay thai for almost a year, my first regular kickboxing match under a wka ref is in about three months i am also trained by the canadian champion. Even though hes not a thai champ he knows his stuff. I tell ya rolling bottles or kicking any tree but a banana tree is stupid. Shin conditioning takes time in fact i practise it everyday. The most lethal way to get your shins conditioned is hitting the thai pads and heavy bags. Hit the thai pads everyday until your shin is black and blue, this helps to get over and take kicks to the legs. Now that i have done this the nerves in my shins have died and now even when i kik things harder then my shin it does not hurt. Thats how thaiboxers take shin kiks to the shins and use there legs to block, that is why they dont feel it. KICKING SOMETHING HARDER THEN YOUR SHIN OR ROLLING GLASS BOTTLES ON YOUR SHIN CREATES BONE DAMAGE, JUST ASK YOUR DOCTOR ABOUT IT! :wink2:

[De_Franza]

. KICKING SOMETHING HARDER THEN YOUR SHIN OR ROLLING GLASS BOTTLES ON YOUR SHIN CREATES BONE DAMAGE, JUST ASK YOUR DOCTOR ABOUT IT! :wink2:
no need to shout. and winking doesn't mean it wasn't rude in teh first place.
now, what you say is poppycock. like i said before, here is my foolproof method of shin conditioning, mine are like iron:
first, be sure you can hold a horse stance for at least 4 hours without any breaks. then get in horse stance in a vat of hot water (a kiddle pool works well) and bang your shins with a hammer or bat. about 50 strokes on each shin. be sure to break the skin and suffer as much as possible. then rub in a linament of ginger root, oregano, orange rinds and crack. put on a woolly hat and get into a vat of cold water. repeat the beatings with a hammer, being sure all the while to focus your ki into your shins and concentrate on commanding your cells to heal and strenthen. rub powdered glass all over your legs, paying special attention to the 4th meridian of the liver on the left leg and chant "doof" continually. do this 9 times daily for 2 weeks. then begin kicking trees and phone poles as often as possible, then light yourself on fire. you will be invincible with perfectly conditioned shins. after that, for you, I'd recommend skipping boulders and moving straight up to a big piece of steel. you can often steal one from a construction site if you are fast and stealthy enough.

[Good advisor]

Hi, Jeff should know this but for the guys who don't a banana trees have layers in North east of thailand they can make us a toy like a horse or in festivals you can striped down the trees with your fingers but is hard because you have to pull it down as well, when you kick somtimes the banana tree have water, and it willregrew itself as well!!

Its just for fun, if you don't have a heavybag,

[Toastyrp]

De_Franza:

I am now on day 3 of your tremendous shin conditioning regimen! Wow this really hurts, but i feel that I am following you directions to the letter so my shins will soon be "weapons to fear" - thats what I plan on calling them.

I have acouple of questions, 1) you left out what kind of hammer to use. So I assumed that you meant ball-peen style. Is this correct?

2) By the way, is it okay to use my wooly hat to wipe the excess blood & crack?

And lastly, my neighbors keep calling me names, can I assume this is an added benefit for building a type of "iron body" defense against sticks, stones and/or names in the future?

Thanks in advance.
your humble student
Rob Perkins

[Spartan]

Jeff must be banging his head on the wall, after reading this thread.

[Jeff Burger]

"Jeff must be banging his head on the wall, after reading this thread."
No hijacking threads this is shin conditioning not head.
lol

De Franza...you should see level 2.

Dustin - If your brusing everyday your not going to last. Your not healing and your hurting yourself subconciously. Training should be a challenge but fun.

Jeff

[Dustin Ferguson]

Your fool proof way may work, for a little while. I'd like to see your shins compared to mine in about ten years because the bone damage you suffer will be the most painful thing in your old age. I was talking to my sensai today about this topic. He was trained under mike miles who is world renound for his muay thai methods. He said shin conditioning is much like muscle building. Kicking things harder then your shin and rolling bottles is like taking steroids for muscle building, sure you can see the difference in such a short time but the long term affects are harmful. So ya your shins are rock hard, so are mine in fact there probably just as rock hard as yours even though it took me longer to get them this way i have them now for as long as I train. I can kik telephone and light poles without the wink of an eye or the drop of a tear but i do not train this way i fight this way. Your shins wont last forever so treat them well.

PS: where did you get this idea anyways, my sensai wants to know

[Dustin Ferguson]

Jeff- I found that out the hard way, In the first three months of starting kickboxing I seen it as a way of relieving stress and so I kicked that bag and those pads till my foot had bled, it ended up getting infected. I took a week off from kickboxing realizing this was not a healthy thing and so I started to go at more of a slow pace with it and now can kick the bag as hard as I want and for as long as my body is not tired without bruising. The statement I made was merely a way of saying "you would be better off kicking thai pads and bags till your shin was blue then harming them with bottles and oak trees"

[lilbunnyrabbit]

no need to shout. and winking doesn't mean it wasn't rude in teh first place.
now, what you say is poppycock

Actually its not, impact conditioning, even fairly gentle stuff like running a rolling pin down your leg, and definitely more violent methods such as kicking steal, do have various detrimental effects.

The conditioning actually works because you create microfractures in the bone, which then heal. The fact that your bone is having to heal so much more than it normally would substantially increases your risk of bone cancer. Add to that the fact that the 'healed' bone, while harder, is more brittle so that if your shin does break its likely to be a nastier fracture than it would be on just natural bone.

Talk to a doctor about it.

Oh, another fun effect that can happen, you're increasing your risk of arthritis in later life, as well as the chance that your joints will suffer from ossification, essentially turning to bone.

Sorry, you can call that rude if you want, but I don't really see that mentioning the risks associated with something should be offensive.

[Jeff Burger]

Dustin if your sensei doesnt understand what De Franza's thread drop him.

You wrote "shin condititioning takes time" you also wrote "I have been training in muay thai for almost a year, my first regular kickboxing match under a wka ref is in about three months"

In less than a year what makes you think you should talk about what develops over time?

Do yourself a favor dont talk about what you dont know and dont make stuff up.

Jeff

[Dustin Ferguson]

Jeff- ya I guess 1 year of training isn't very long, at least for an old man. I probably crossed the line with that one, but haven't went to the extent that you did. For me thats 1/17 of mylife. take that outta yours and realize just how long that seems to me. Also you do not know my previous athletic sports I competed in, including soccer, hockey and various track and field. I have been watching thai and ufc bouts and video since I was young. Once I finally moved to a place where muay thai was taught by an honourable sensai ( thats right honourable). I can't wait till I tell him your little story, he will laugh at you. He was trained by mike miles so your opinion won't much matter to him. Also I would like to ask how much street experience you have, because that is where a true fighter stands, not in a ring, not any refs, not any rules...anything goes. So you don't have me beat in every aspect of fighting. Just muay thai, in the ring that is

[Dustin Ferguson]

Jeff--What camp did you train in thailand. My sensai wants to know if it's one of the ones where they accept anyone and teach you the same form of muay thai as what is in america. Also Have you ever fought a full out muay thai match

[Spartan]

This is totally not necessary. Jeff is highly respected. So is Mike Miles and I believe all his legitimate students are competent. Challenging Jeff's credibility is pointless. You are not going anywhere with it.

You read the whole thing wrong. De Franza's posts are mean as joke. How can anyone NOT see that they are NOT real? Where is everybody's sense of humor?

This whole thread is filled with mostly rubbish. Don't attribute the rubbish and parody to Jeff. There is another thread where Jeff posted info on how to condition the shin properly. I am sure you will agree with what he has to say.

[Jeff Burger]

Its sensei not sensai and a Muay Thai teacher wouldnt be called one.

Im betting your speaking for yourself and not your teacher. That he hasnt even read the thread.

I trained at the head quarters for the World Muay Thai Council THE governing body for Muay Thai. All the coaches there are former world champions in Muay Thai. I was quite lucky in my timing there as they had many (almost 40) former world champions there training to be coaches. All wanted to come to USA so most were trying to prove to me that they should be the one I help...meaning they were giving me their good stuff.
I had 14 full contact fights while I was in Thailand most used some sparring gear (head guard and sometimes shin pads) 4 were show/ card fights...full contact no head gear, no shins pads, knees and elbows.
Besides Luk Mai Muay Thai (sport) I also got trained in Mae Mai Muay Thai (traditonal...no gloves, head butts, joint breaks...).

Plenty of street fights. Im originally from New York and my older brothers were very much into the gang thing.

De Franza's post was an obvious joke.

Jeff

[Dustin Ferguson]

Jeff-- I did not realize the whole thing de franza said was a joke, but what if someone like me took it serious, yes that person would be an idiot but besides the point could hurt themselves. because of our age difference we obviously see humor in a different way. I do not question your capability of being a muay thai expert, I believe you are good at it and a good teacher. However what you said infringed on something I believe in, so I denied it and basically thought lesser of you for saying it because I can guarantee you would never say that to one of your students. You made me look stupid because there are no rules in training muay thai and whos to say what you or I say is right? I guarantee there is a role model in the martial arts community that you would just like to take one second to prove his ways wrong but you still have to accept it. Before you said that about me I looked up to you if you look at other threads I have backed you up in my statements, I am still very green at the whole kickboxing world but I do know somethings, and one day I might want to be a professional and would rather have you as an ally then an enemy.

[Sgathak]

Dustin

Eyes open, Mouth shut.

As a 17 year old with only a year in training, its in your best interest to ask questions, not offer answers.

[David Craik]

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[Bryan O'Rourke]

Its sensei not sensai and a Muay Thai teacher wouldnt be called one.

Jeff

Sorry, but I couldn't resist. I wonder what my Khuen Khru would say (or worse, do) if I called him sensei? I'm betting on a good laugh, but Chai has a very special sense of humor...

[Good advisor]

I've done mauy thai for only a months, teachers in muay thai are not sensei or sensai in the movie's they called the teacher kru or even better khuen kru for respect...Jeff is alreday well trained in muay Thai, so dustin ''fun dee''

[roninja]

I trained in muay thai for two years. I never called my teacher sensei or anything cool, just mr. and then his name. I wont say his name because I suck at muay thai and therefore my saying his name would give him a bad rep. but yeah, I never did shin conditioning and i still can't take a good swat to the shins. fortunately, I dont train muay thai anymore. I made the switch to the much less painful art of aikido. but i still fool around with muay thai sometimes. my schools martial arts clubs like to get together and horse around sometimes, at which point i have never succesfully used aikido, so I resort to muay thai, bjj, and judo. Actually I suck at all three so I get beat up alot. In conclusion, I just read all the posts and wanted to put one up myself.

[silentsamurai]

Hi all, :confused:

I have been told that rubbing something solid against the shin for a while (been told a milk bottle works) as there is a muscle that runs parallel to the shin, but a bit to the side (if that makes sense?).and by doing this over time it shifts the muscle to the side of the shin even more. So when you block or kick it is hitting pure bone and therefore can absorb the damage.I have also been told the the reason for bruising is due to the damage to the unconditioned muscle, basically getting in the way, and over time the nerves will die...Hope someone can really claify this because i'm tempted to get in my kids pool and beat the hell out of my legs untill i feel enlightened..or until someone takes me to A+E :D