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I am testing for brown at the very beggining of november. I'm just curious to know what rank everyone is. Please tell the order of your belts too at you school it would help a lot. :D
Heather,
I'm 2nd Dan Black Belt. In our system we have (in order);
White, white & 1 brown stripe, 2 brown stripes, 3 brown stripes, then
Brown with 1 gold stripe, 2 gold stripes, 3 gold stripes, then
Brown with Black 6" tags (Sho Dan Ho)
Black with 1 Silver stripe & 1 Red stripe, 2 stripes, 3 stripes, 4 stripes, 5 stripes, then
Red & white striped belt (that's about it).
PS - why don't you like Jeff?
"It's me versus that burger with that big stupid grin on it"
Antares33
10-10-2003, 02:40
I'm a white belt, and will probably remain one for quite some time.
System goes: White, Blue, Purple, Brown, Black.
Mandeigh Wells
10-10-2003, 03:02
I dont have a belt!;)
mandeigh
Im a JCPenny leather belt with brass buckle.
The rank I hold, I only hold because I was asked to test. The certificate looks nice on my wall and it was an honor to test with my "comrades", but the rank means little and it was only the experience that mattered.
Cliff Hargrave
10-10-2003, 04:30
I'm a black belt
http://www.bigcountrytradingpost.com/blackhillsleather/images/policeholster.jpg
I asked for pink, but I ended up with this old brown belt.
Jeff Burger
10-10-2003, 06:42
Now thats when a belt makes you dangerous.
QUOTE
"It's me versus that burger with that big stupid grin on it"
I think its a line from a movie or a song...I think its hilarious.
Jeff
Perhaps she is referring to www.ninjaburger.com (http://www.ninjaburger.com) ?
Well, right now i'm wearing a navy blue belt with a d-ring adjuster.
Actually, i'm a black belt. I've only had the stupid thing for about a month and it's already coming apart. Around the embroidery the fabric is starting to rip away. If i'm really lucky i'll be a white belt with cool embroidery soon.
De_Franza
10-10-2003, 09:43
LOL CLIFF!
In my previous school, (I was there 3 years before I had to move) I'm a green belt (white, yellow, orange, blue, green, brown, brown w/ black bar, brown w/ two black bars, black, black with red bar, 2 red bars, 3 red bars, red/white & black (I think white on top), then red on top (or visa vers), then black with red stripe... after that, I think the stripe gets fatter and fatter until 9th or 10th dan is a solid red belt.
(TMI?) :laugh:
In the school I'm currently training in, (been about 3 months already) I'm a yellow belt; it's something like white, white with bars, yellow, green, blue, purple, brown, something? black etc.
It may not seem like it, since I have all that memorized, but I don't see it all as a big deal, I just want to work out, sweat and learn, you know?
Because of all the differences in belt order from school to school, and how many there are (if any), I find it's more informative to ask someone how long they've been training, rather than their rank.
Im a brown belt testing for black belt in december
I'm not a belt, I'm a person.
I've graduated few different student rankings in different arts, but I'm not focused in my training to gain belts but learn different things: in art(s) I've been training there comes pretty much same stuff for everyone in training hours, so there's no need to get high level to see new techs or hear new ideas.
Cliff, is that your black belt Texan Ju-Jutsu style :D ?
With respect,
Riku Ylönen
tkdcanada
10-10-2003, 15:09
I'm a red belt. Our belts go white, yellow, orange, green, blue, blue with red stripe, red, red with black stripe, black.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with rank as long as it's not your only focus. Personally, I like the structure of it all. People who work hard for it and earn their rank can be proud of it and it can be a symbol of all the work and sweat that you put into your training. Those who don't acutally earn them, well.....it shows soon enough. There's also nothing wrong with not having rank, but that's a personal preference - one is no more right or wrong than the other.
Originally posted by Jason H
I asked for pink, but I ended up with this old brown belt.
Pink? ::shudder::
Anyway, I'm a Blue Belt in Western Masters Karate, and an 8th gup Orange in Tang Soo Do.
Cliff Hargrave
10-10-2003, 18:33
Originally posted by riku
Cliff, is that your black belt Texan Ju-Jutsu style :D ?
With respect,
Riku Ylönen
No that belt has a BIG buckle on it :D
http://www.garysbeltbuckles.com/images/large/1562-44D.jpg
lol i got that little quote thingy from a site somewhere, i saw it and put it here, BTW i didn't notice it had mr burgers name in it until he pointed it out. Our belts used to go white, blue, red, black, but that was a little bit before i joined. Like a few of you said, rank isnt really important, its what you pick up, i'm just curious to know what rank everyone has....
Jay Bell
10-10-2003, 19:24
No belts here
Ron Rompen
10-10-2003, 20:21
I 'wear' a green belt in Japanese Goju Ryu. From what little I have managed to learn from my Sensei, I believe I have earned a white belt.
Our progression is (for adults):
White, yelllow, orange, green, blue, brown, black.
Belts and colors don't mean that much to me, except to determine which division I will compete in. I know how good I am, Sensei knows how good I am, and my classmates know how good I am.....that's all that REALLY matters to me. The belt is just something to impress the newbies :-)
The priviledges that comes with my black belt, is umm... nothing actually. Lower belts already had to bow to me as a color belt. If I was high belt on the floor I always had to let the people in. If I was high belt I always had to call the opening and closing commands. Actually, within the class I technically took a lower position. Some of the other new black belts used to be lower then me because I got my last belt before them. When we all tested, since they're all older and have been there longer, everyone moved ahead of me. I get pretty embroidery on my belt which is already falling apart, and black trim around the bottom of my gi.
Our order is white, yellow stripe, yellow, green stripe, green, blue stripe, blue, red stripe, red, black stripe, black.
lonewolf12563
10-10-2003, 23:58
I am a Menkyo Kaiden. Our belt system in the USA is white, blue , purple, brown ,black. Each with a japanese name for rank or level. Ed
ps the knife is my favorite Boker titanium dive knife.
Jeff Burger
10-11-2003, 08:12
My belt is so old and frayed I often get asked if Im a green belt.
I dont know about getting a new one.
I came up through the "dont wash your belt" thing.
When I tested for black belt they gave me a plain black belt.
Later the one teacher I felt responsible for getting me there pulled me aside and gave me one with my name in English and Japanese.
20 years later maybe its time I got a new one and packed this one away.
Jeff
Ya, my Sensei's belt is falling apart too, it almost looks grayish green, like you said. But we are kinda strict on the belt washing thing, most of the begginners tend to wash theirs, i have never washed mine. Even as a white belt, after i tested for my yellow belt, my white belt was practically brown lol
I am a purple belt, I'll be testing for my brown belt probably before the year is out. The belt ranking is as follows:
White,
Yellow stripe
Yellow
Orange
Green
Purple
Brown
Brown with black stripe
Black
Cliff Hargrave
10-11-2003, 18:32
Originally posted by Jeff Burger
I came up through the "dont wash your belt" thing.
Yea I did too. I learned later that it was just one of the many myths in martial arts. I loved this article:
http://24fightingchickens.com/belts/05_washme.html
Jeff Burger
10-11-2003, 18:52
Yeah I know...but what about all that sentimental value.
I love these kids with teh 3,4 and 5 degrees who stone wash where belts.
With the new school I may get a new gi and...gulp...belt.
Jeff
Antares33
10-12-2003, 04:42
Not to sidetrack the thread or anything, but if I did decide to wash my belt, wouldn't it get all wrapped up around inside the washing machine, and couldn't that cause damage of some kind to the belt or the washing machine itself?
Jeff, your miss-spelling the word.
Its "Semi-Mental" not sentimental :D
See how much better this sentence is when the word is spelled right:
"Yeah I know...but what about all that semi-mental value."
Jamie - handwash it or put it into a sock bag.
Jeff Burger
10-12-2003, 08:41
Semi-mental value...I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!
Jeff
Ron Rompen
10-12-2003, 10:05
Jamie:
To answer your question about belts in the washing machine, they would PROBABLY not get wrapped around the agitator. After all, you put all kinds of stuff in there that has the same potential, and it doesn't happen.
Having said that, I have never washed my belt in the machine. When I get a new belt, I soak it over night in a mixture of vinegar, laundry or dish soap, and boiling hot water. In the morning, I wring it out, twist and work the fabric as much as possible.
This does a couple of things. First, it shrinks the belt as much as it is going to, washes out any 'loose' dye in the fabric and sets the color, and breaks down the stiffness of the new belt just a little bit.
After that, I don't wash my belt.....just one of the traditions that I was brought up with. However, if I managed to spill something on it so that it was dirty, I wouldn't have a problem washing it to make it clean again.
tkdcanada
10-12-2003, 11:26
I don't wash my belt. I just like the symbolism of it, "semi-mental" or not. Also, my belt doesn't stink (if it does, just use febreeze or lysol on it or something) and I'm not worried about bacteria, I think the world is much too bacteria phobic and I think it's doing more harm than good. I never get sick, so I must be doing something right. Also, why would a small child have any reason to get a hold of your belt to put it in his mouth anyway? It's as simple as keeping it out of reach. I know it's just a myth, but it's one of those little things that's just part of my "other" world and I think it's neat.
Jamie,
I appreciate your inquisitiveness. I am sure that you will eventually see the futility of your question.
The good people who frequent this board are fun-loving, understanding and tolerant folks. I like to think of myself as the same sort, but after seeing your question I find myself compelled to put on the big-brother/elder/sensei hat, and tell you that it is generally considered a breach of protocol in most systems to ask what belt rank one holds.
O.K., off my soapbox now! ;) Where do you train, what do you study, how long have you studied, what other systems have you studied?
Jeff Cook
Wabujitsu
tkdcanada
10-12-2003, 19:38
Heather asked that, not Jamie. Jamie only asked about belt washing.
Thank you ma'am, and my apologies! My idiocy has mechanical origins: I've been whacked in the head too many times! ;)
Jeff Cook
Wabujitsu
I did wash a belt once before I was told about the semi-mental value part. I had spilled something on it, so well, I just put it in there. I would never do it again. It could be a while before I test again(at least not for 2 years anyway) so my belt's gonna be turning colors i'm sure.
Ron Rompen
10-13-2003, 09:19
I -=WISH=- my belt would turn colors.
When I graded for green (over a year ago), Sensei had just tried out a new line of belts. The green was EXTREMELY bright, almost neon, and since I was the only green belt at the time, I got to field-test it.
Since then, if anything, it has gotten BRIGHTER! I did my 'first night soak in vinegar and hot water' trick, and have not washed it since. Occasionally (if I've been really working hard, and sweated thru my dogi excessively) I will hang it out on the line in the sunshine, but thats it.
You'd think the sunlight would fade it, or the normal grime from frequent wear would do it, but not such luck....they can see me coming a mile away.
And needless to say, Sensei decided not to go with that brand any more :-)
When I started MA, I was against rankings and belts and such. I decided, before I started, that I never wanted to be more than a white belt. After a while, I realized that rank and belt is important, at least in my system, Dan Zan Ryu Jujitsu. At each rank, you are expected to react in certain ways, to protect yourself. We throw A LOT. The higher the rank, the higher the throw. In order to practice higher moves, like breaking an arm while throwing someone, the someone we are throwing must know how to fall really well, or we will only be practicing that move once. Of coarse, everyone in our dojo knows who can take what falls. But, we have visitors many times, from different dojos. We have professors from our system show up to teach quite often. They need to know who they can use to demonstrate certain techniques. They need to know what level they can teach at. Belts give everyone all this kind of knowledge at a glance.
So, to answer your question, I am brown belt. I think it is fine to ask people their rank. It shows dedication. The higher the rank, the more dedication they have shown to that system. If you talk to someone who has a white belt in 4 or 5 styles, they are not very dedicated. They jump around a lot, and are trying to find a shortcut by collecting different moves. These people don't realize that everything taught before black belt, is just foundation, or the basics. It is at black belt that you start to learn the system, once you have the basics. A person who has a high rank, close to black belt, in one system, has more dedication. They are sticking it out with the system, after most people quit to find something else. When you find a person that has a black belt in many systems, it really says something about the person, they have dedication to their art.
William,
I understand your explanation, but still disagree that it is o.k. to casually ask others what their belt ranks are.
First, it is an inescapable fact that most systems/schools consider it impolite. No matter how much you disagree, it does not change that fact. It is important that all new students in the martial arts understand that fact; it is part of their education in the martial arts.
Rank is irrelevant except in the context of the particular school it is awarded in. People wear belts in a school, so you don't have to ask. Everybody in your school knows what each belt level means. Somebody outside your class has no idea what you had to do to achieve your rank, therefore it is not relevant to them.
A personal example of the irrelevancy of comparing belt ranks from one school to another (why else ask?): When I studied Wado Ryu and Shinto Yoshin from the same instructor, his belt ranking system was this: white, brown, black. For many years it was just two belts - white and black. I was a white belt for four years. I began concurrently training in Shuri Ryu karate. After I was observed in this new class sparring, exchanging technique, walking basics, etc., my white belt caused considerable consternation with the students and some of the black belts who were not very effective when sparring me. My white belt was TOTALLY out of context to their class.
So, at that time, I was training in three systems: Wado Ryu karate (white belt), Shinto Yoshin jujitsu (white belt), and Shuri Ryu karate (white belt). By your definition I was not very "dedicated" because I had multiple white belts in multiple styles. When I was awarded my next belt in Wado and Shinto Yoshin (brown belt) I was concurrently promoted in Shuri Ryu, much to everybody's relief, to purple belt - a considerable jump in the Shuri system. Never, NEVER underestimate the skill or dedication of ANY white belt.
When you get a bunch of experieced martial artists together, they NEVER ask each other their belt ranks. They ask where they trained, how long they trained, and who they trained with. By the way, these are questions I asked earlier in this thread, and my questions are still unanswered.
So what is most important? Training and experience, or a highly subjective and mostly ineffective rank system?
Jeff Cook
Wabujitsu
tkdcanada
10-14-2003, 21:31
Very good point. Rank is only a small part of the picture, more important is quality of training an experience.
Jeff, I didn't reply to your questions because I thought they were directed to Militis.
I agree that asking what belt a person holds is equal to asking what sexual preference, religious inclination, monetary wage or political leanings they have. I just chose to answer.
I've been training for around 20 years in Kakuto Goshin Jutsu (Judo, Jiu-Jutsu, Pankration and Ido blended hybrid). I got my 2nd Dan grading about 10 years ago. I also have military experience with the Australian Army 2 Commando Company (3 years) and several years as a security guard.
It's still hard to guess from the above info what I'm 'like', apart from the assumption that I could probably 'do okay' in an encounter. The question of belt colour/rank itself is a bit of a moot point. I guess it is kind of edging around what it is that a person wants to know. Usually someone who asks that is either wanting to know if you can teach them something or is trying to find out if they're better than you.
Jeff
I totally agree with you on comparing ranks between systems. You are correct, they don't match up between systems at all. I too have had similar experiences when I was a blue belt. Blue was the belt after white when I got it, and when looking for a new dojo, after I moved, I went to a dojo where blue was quite a bit closer to black than to white.
I also agree that your time and teaching will tell much more about a Martial Artist than rank or belt. I spent my first 3 years under Dan Simard, a nidan. My last 4.5 years have been with Jeff Penner, a yodan.
I will also agree that "casually" asking people their rank is not ok. However, I do believe that "respectfully" asking a persons rank is ok. When I look at different schools and try to decide whether or not it is a good place to train, I generally ask about rank. Not out in the open, and not casually. Usually I ask in private to the head teacher there, I will ask his rank, I want to know if he was made a black belt last month and just opened, or has he been teaching a while. Asking him his rank will also tell you a lot about how he feels about rank. If I watched a class, I would ask the instructer what ranks the students were, yes I can see there colors, but as we mentioned before, color means nothing to outsiders. I want to know if the students I watched were the beginning students or the advanced students, this will frame how I view the class I just watched.
I have visited many dojos and schools of Martial Arts. I have respectfully asked many people in those dojos their rank and have received many different answers. But, if you listen to the answer, you will learn much more about the person than just their rank. The key is to be respectful and open minded. Everyone knows when you are trying to make yourself feel good.
I also think its ok to ask rank outside of the dojo. When Martial Artists are talking and comparing ideas and techniques, similar to what goes on here, sometimes it is helpful to know what rank, or how far a person has gone in their system. At different points in my own training, I had different reasons for doing a certain technique. As I learned more, those reasons changed, even though the technique did not. It helps to understand where a person is coming from, to understand what they just told you. Again, the key here is to be respectful.
And please don't take offense when none was meant. I did say that a person who has a white belt in many different styles is not as dedicated as one who has color in one system. We all know the people who train for six months here, think they have all they can get, and move on to somewhere else for six months. These are the people to which I was referring. If you stick with what you start, that is the dedication I was referring to. It is that dedication that made you not a white belt in those systems any more. As I understand it, you have done quite well in all your systems, that shows a lot of dedication.
I think we all agree that rank has a use within a system, it tells people in that system what you know and what you don't at a glance. I think we also agree that time and who you studied with will tell you a lot more about how good a person is at their art.
The point I want to make is that if you ask a persons rank, respectfully, you will learn a lot about that person. If you are looking at a new school, it is important to understand who you are watching and how the school treats rank. These are two VERY important considerations when looking for a new school, and they are two answers you can get from asking one question. The key is respect when you ask. If the person you ask is uncomfortable with the question when it is asked, you have not shown respect. Showing respect is finding the right time, place and way to ask so that no one is uncomfortable and so that it is clear to both parties that you merely trying to gain a better understanding.
William and Jim,
Very insightful replies. Thank you for going into detail. I agree on most points, and I certainly agree that it is appropriate in certain situations to have a rank discussion, especially when deciding whether to purchase the product (instruction) that a teacher is offering.
Thank you for having patience with my opinion.
Jeff Cook
Wabujitsu
Jeff Burger
10-15-2003, 11:54
On washing
Well I orered a new gi today (Meijin).
And with it a new belt.
:cry: good by old friend.
Jeff
Dan and Kyu ranks are more indicative of rank than belt color. So, asking for a Dan or kyu ranks would give you a much better idea of advancement than the color of the belt in any system.
I am a bit baffled as to why anyone would be so sensitive about being asked their rank. Are we so insecure that if someone inquires about our rank, we feel we have to go on the defensive? Frankly, I don't see a why it would be such a big deal. I grant you that rank is a superficial indicator and one's knowledge doesn't necessarily corelate with one's rank, but if anyone inquires about the rank, if that's what they're interested in, why get all up in arms?
Alex,
Personally, it does not bother be when asked. But the reality is that many "masters" are offended when asked because of an unhealthy ego reaction.
Again, it may not be right (the unhealthy ego reaction) but it is necessary for all to know that most consider it offensive to various degrees.
Jeff Cook
Wabujitsu
Jeff Burger
10-15-2003, 20:12
Its to the askers discredit.
I expect a question like that to come from someone without alot of experience.
I dont take it as an insult...just that they really dont know any better.
For one its nearly meaningless.
BTW Im a white belt in Hapkido...even less...as I have never studied Hapkido.
Come to think of it...Im a white belt in more styles than Iam ranked in any.
I liked my old Ju Jitsu school...everybody wore a white belt except the teacher.
Six years as a white belt...man I miss those days.
Jeff
I agree with you guys that ranks are meaningless, it's the being offended about being asked that irks me. I agree with Jeff C. that it seems that egos of the self proclaimed masters get in the way, demanding that others walk on egg shells around them.
That's a whole different topic of discussion. I'm sure that psycho analysts would have a field day picking those guys apart.
As far as most people being offended at being asked their rank, that's news to me. I never realized that the vast majority of martial artists out there are whacky that way.
"As far as most people being offended at being asked their rank, that's news to me. I never realized that the vast majority of martial artists out there are whacky that way."
In my opinion, the upper echelon of the martial arts world in this country is generally disfunctional. I'm not saying that all US black belts could use counselling, but I am saying that many of them have "issues."
My wife thinks they are ALL nuts. ;)
Jeff Cook
Wabujitsu
Cliff Hargrave
10-16-2003, 13:16
I have met more nut case, weirdo, uptight, self righteous, lying, cheating, thieving, fantasy world, dress up playing, wanna-be Asian, paper tiger tough guy, a**holes in martial arts then I have in my 19 years of law enforcement.
The only thing that keeps me involved is that I have also met some of the best folks on earth in marital arts and made some of the best friends a person could have.
What is it about the Asian martial arts that attracts these nutcases? Why aren't they attracted to boxing or wrestling or other fighting arts?
I have an idea. Let us conspire with all the willing members of Budo seek that participating members will go to various martial arts conventions, approach the upper echelon "masters" and casually ask them their rank. I think that would be a hoot!
Musubi Dojo
10-16-2003, 14:41
"have met more nut case, weirdo, uptight, self righteous, lying, cheating, thieving, fantasy world, dress up playing, wanna-be Asian, paper tiger tough guy, a**holes in martial arts then I have in my 19 years of law enforcement. "
BAWHAHAHAHAHA!!
"In my opinion, the upper echelon of the martial arts world in this country is generally disfunctional. I'm not saying that all US black belts could use counselling, but I am saying that many of them have "issues."
LOL!!!
I'm laughing so hard I'm almost crying. I probaly should be crying because what you're saying seems to be true all over.
Thanks for making my day Guys;
Chris
Alex,
In my experience, martial artists who actually get on the mat and fight consistently are more well-grounded and "stable" than those poor folks at master level who avoid the mat at all costs, UNLESS they can totally control the action on the mat (i.e. "demonstrating" moves with an adoring student as an uke).
Maybe we should start another thread with this topic? I could go on for DAYS about this, but I fear for Chris' gut - he may bust it!
Jeff Cook
Wabujitsu
Jeff Burger
10-17-2003, 00:05
What Jeff C. and Cliff said.
"Why aren't they attracted to boxing or wrestling or other fighting arts?"
Because they actualy compete.
Jeff
I just realized something awful! These guys in the upper echelons, with egos the size of Texas remind me of the geeks at Star Trek conventions who dress up as Klingons! :alien: :fear:
They too get to dress up in uniforms and play up to adoring fans! :eek:
I just realized something awful! These guys in the upper echelons, with egos the size of Texas remind me of the geeks at Star Trek conventions who dress up as Klingons!
BINGO! :D
I was thinking of the guys who go to Dungeons & Dragons Conventions, but I think Star Trek is just as appropriate. Just about any 'convention' attracts these guys, you can also find them hanging around MA shops. Oh, how I hate them.... :rolleyes:
Jeff Burger
10-17-2003, 06:21
LOL on D & D
It was popular when I was in high school.
I thought it sounded pretty neat...but it was the nerd convention.
Jeff
"--What is it about the Asian martial arts that attracts these nutcases? Why aren't they attracted to boxing or wrestling or other fighting arts?--"
Same that inspires those in sci-fi -cons. Pop culture. That doesn't should be taken as popular culture, or sci-fi, or conventions were something bad in my eyes: actually I like all of those as well as MAs, in general sense. But over that general, there are these freaks who know better that anyone else, and are more than willing to show it out whether they are asked to do so or not. Usually it leads to certain type of snobistic attitude against everyone else except similar thinking, and with little inspect one can find that the knowledge of these folks is really, really limited... They just talk so loud that people around think they actually know something... World is full of weirdos, but the loud ones are noticed most easily.
With respect,
Riku Ylönen
"I thought it sounded pretty neat...but it was the nerd convention.--"
What's wrong with nerds? Next you gonna peck me because my glasses, aren't you :D :D ?
Riku Ylönen
lonewolf12563
10-17-2003, 10:57
No but you kind of look like that guy from " Taxi Driver"......Only kidding!
Ed
The Opal Dragon
10-17-2003, 11:04
In my Aikido Association, everyone wears a white belt until they take and pass their black belt test. After several years, my white belt has gotten a little dingy. :( I'm a long ways off from my black belt but I have no problem with that. ;)
Robyn :)
Jeff Burger
10-17-2003, 11:16
Robin
Please include your real full name with every post
Jeff
The Opal Dragon
10-17-2003, 11:21
Originally posted by Jeff Burger
Robin
Please include your real full name with every post
Jeff
The rules must have changed again or something.
RobYn L. Johnson
Jeff Burger
10-17-2003, 11:30
Nope
Its been real full name since I started here.
Jeff
The Opal Dragon
10-17-2003, 13:34
That's interesting. Today is the first time I've posted here in ages but I've had all those other posts before and nobody said anything to me about posting my full name (which has always been in my profile). Usually I see people telling new people who have signed their name with their User Name to please post their real name. Anyway, I added my name in my signature so I don't have to type it all every time. ;)
Robyn :bow:
Jeff Burger
10-17-2003, 13:44
You Ninja skills allowed you to slip through the cracks...until now.
Thanx for posting with real name.
Jeff
You talkin' to him, Ed? You talkin' to HIM? :D
Jim-
there's no one else around, so he must be talking to me. One of the many remarkable roles of De Niro.
Riku Ylönen
lonewolf12563
10-21-2003, 23:05
Don't Shoot!! Ed
johenora
10-22-2003, 01:12
To answer your question I am a YUDANSHA---that is a black belt in Judo. My black belt is from the Kodokan Insitute in Tokyo, Japan and National Sport Judo. In JuJutsu I am a red belt that is Judan with a KyoJu Dairi. My cdertification is frpom the American Jujitsu Association.Kyoju Dairi means special teacher's license and also Soke of a system.
I have students from White belt to Black belt. My International certification is 9th degree in JiuJitsu. I also have a Lifetime Master in NRA --pistol and rifle.
Originally posted by johenora
To answer your question I am a YUDANSHA---that is a black belt in Judo. My black belt is from the Kodokan Insitute in Tokyo, Japan and National Sport Judo. In JuJutsu I am a red belt that is Judan with a KyoJu Dairi. My cdertification is frpom the American Jujitsu Association.Kyoju Dairi means special teacher's license and also Soke of a system.
I have students from White belt to Black belt. My International certification is 9th degree in JiuJitsu. I also have a Lifetime Master in NRA --pistol and rifle.
Is your real name Phil Porter? :D
johenora
10-22-2003, 15:33
Dear Alex Olsen:
Sorry I am not the great Phil Porter.No my real name is as signed on this BudoSeek.net.However he and I both live in California.
However, I know Phil Porter but I have done JiuJitsu and Judo not quite as long as him. He is a great guy and may be the senior male Judoka in the USA, or it could be Judo Gene LeBell. Do you know?
Phil Porter is very active travelling and teaching in the USA. His schedule is on internet.
HapkidoGirl
11-04-2003, 15:47
I'm Red/Black - will be testing for Black in April, 2004.
Order: white, yellow, orange, green, blue, purple, red, brown, brown/black stripe, red/black, Black.
John, Alex was being sarcastic when he asked you if you are Phil Porter. Unfortunately, Phil has a notorious reputation for a number of things, such as selling belt rank to anybody, and collecting ranks in arts he knows little to nothing about.
Alex, that was uncalled for.
I know Phil personally, and will not publicly give my opinion. I was simply stating what is public perception.
Jeff Cook
Wabujitsu
Black. But all considered no belt here. And I believe belts will never show the potential or skill of its wearer to the fullest.
johenora
11-05-2003, 01:45
Dear Jeff Cook:
Thank you for pointing out to me that Alex Olson was being sarcastic. I did not realize that. Also I appreciate your candor and being a man of honor and a gentleman.
When I was 22 years old I did not realize I would ever have such ranks which I never asked for. My rank as A Captain of Marines I did not realize would come to me as it did. I would have preferred being a Marine Gunnery Sergeant. I love this rank the best of all. Under my Hakama I wear a white belt and I try not to be mean or insulting even though I have the personality of an old saw blade especially when I get up in the morning.Every group or orgaization that gave me rank were reputable. I have never accepted rank from a person. The Senate and President of the United States of America gave me my rank and staus and medals which I never asked for. My supriors did this.
If some one told me I would have a red belt in Martial arts I would have said IMPOSSIBLE. Now that I am 72 years of age ,young compared to Prof. Wally Jay and Phil Porter Sensei so i feel so much pain I can not quit training. I welcome anyone in the world to don their uniform and teach me on the mats. I learn so much from men and women of integrity on and off the mats. I no longer take challenges because I think it is bad Budo to take challenges. A YUDANSHA should not be mean. I have never had a mean student . Thank God for this.
Jeff Cook --your words have good meaning and intent. I respect very much. And I truly and sincerely mean what I say. You are a trueTOMODACHI.
As void pointed out belts do not show always potential and skill levels.The belt shows the Dan Rank or Kyu rank based on tersting. In Judo the computer and the videos show the rank and skill level. Our level of speed slows down as we grow old etc.
Teaching certificates in Judo and Jui Jitsu are credentials to show what can be taught and cards can show First aid and CPR ability. I have on and off since age nine studied Jiu Jitsu and I am still learning--new ways from GM Reylson Gracie, Master Favio Behring, Pro. Wally Jay. Ozaki and Iizumi Sensei and other greats at Jiu Jitsu programs -seminars and Judo Clinic and Master Shias
I have acquired a very thick skin and have become somewhat stubborn in my ways. It gives some people a joy to insult others. It happens all the time. But they should be careful and follow the rules of this grat bulletin board that has been built up through the years.
Further slander can be detrimental to person and his or her family if sued for defamation of character. A frind of mine is on the verge of suing a different bulletin board and the poster who committed civil libel.
If I slandered Mr. Porter or any Judoka in writing it would be an actionable offense. It is a fundamental principle to not be negative and ruin someone's reputation.The law of cause and effect will take place.
Last I am sorry I posted the truth about my rank and status. It means nothing when I am dead and gone and really who cares. I was just trying to say I am fortunate to have been versatile and had such great teachers who guided me to see the far mountain.
God bless you Jeff,Alex and Void.
Originally posted by Jeff C.
John, Alex was being sarcastic when he asked you if you are Phil Porter. Unfortunately, Phil has a notorious reputation for a number of things, such as selling belt rank to anybody, and collecting ranks in arts he knows little to nothing about.
Alex, that was uncalled for.
I know Phil personally, and will not publicly give my opinion. I was simply stating what is public perception.
Jeff Cook
Wabujitsu
Jeff,
Sometimes making a point not to state your opinion publicly speaks volumes and louder than words. Additionally, Mr. Porter's reputation is well deserved and publicized, so we're not divulging any military secrets here.
Bonermeister
11-19-2003, 09:42
I have been training under a an 8th degree black belt for six years. My style is officially tae kwon do, but we also do a lot of hapkido, jujistu and judo. I am a 2nd degree blue belt and will be testing for 1st degree blue very soon in our rank system which is as follows:
White
2nd Orange
1st Orange
2nd Green
1st Green
2nd Blue
1st Blue
2nd Brown
1st Brown
1st Black
2nd Black
3rd Black
4th Black
5th Black
6th Black
7th Black
8th Black
9th Black
Grandmaster
:)
P.S. - I wash my belt and gi after every session in the washer in hot water. Only problem is my belt is rolled up in a ball after it is finished washing and then it is curved weird when I wear it and looks goofy. I'm going to start to hang it out to dry and attach something heavy to the bottom of it.
:D
johenora
11-19-2003, 09:57
Steven--that is great. If I washed my silk belt or obi in hot water everyday these woud be destroyed in no time flat. We are not allowed to wash our belt or Obi.
Have you thought about those small laundry washing bags so you can put the belt in and wash it will not wrap up?
Cheers,
Bonermeister
11-19-2003, 12:59
John, that sounds like a good idea. I'll have to give it a try.
;)
johenora
11-19-2003, 13:12
Steven:
Thanks for implementing my idea. Usually I get flack when I post.
You do not appear to be a snob---and that is fine with me.
Cheers,
Bonermeister
11-19-2003, 13:53
No problem John, thanks for the complement. Which arts use silk obis? I would think they would often be destroyed due to grappling and such.
Alex, of course Phil's reputation is well-publicized (Who implied that it was a "secret?") - I simply re-stated it for the benefit of John, who may not have been aware of that. Explaining this put your remarks in the proper context for John, who now also understands that you were being insulting.
I am not defending or attacking Phil, John, or you. I am letting you know that insults will not be tolerated on this board from anyone (unless it is obviously good-natured teasing). John's an adult - he can take care of himself without my help, but I am obligated to do my moderating job.
Speaking of which, John, if I had realized that you were a former jar-head, I don't think I would have been so nice to you. You are still physically active and somewhat mentally sound at your ripe age - I just figured you were an old Army guy!;)
I hope I am still on the mat and still annoying folks when I am 72....what's your secret?
Jeff Cook
Wabujitsu
Im a blue belt in BJJ.
Iv'e got a ring record of 1-0-1 in Muay Thai. Muay Thai does not have belts.
I was just on fox sport net earlier this month for my second fight. If you are in FLA you might have caught it. It's coming on again soon. I will post and let every one know.
johenora
11-24-2003, 20:52
Hi Darkson:
Congratulations. I am one of your fans and best on your next bout.
Never let BJJ die.We know you will wear your well earned belts with pride and honor
Cheers,
johenora
11-26-2003, 04:16
Dear Mr. J. McClennon:
That Jigoro Kano Sensei quote on your post has IMPACT.
Now modernly we can use a Cloth dummy for a partner about 80 pounds which makes the right weight for going all out and giving us resistence. The first time I tried to grapple the dummy with throws,full force arm bars etc. for determining the length of time, I was pulverizig the dummy and as time passed in about 20 minutes the dummy pulverized me.
I could hardly walk. It took me 10 minutes and a shiatsu massage to fully recover.Great for cardio-vascular training.
Thank you.
Gassho,
hmm i ususally don't watch much tv but just let me know when you're on again and ill be sure to watch.
johenora
11-26-2003, 07:51
Dear Militis:
I am shocked. I am not questioning those statistics on sanity but it seems to me there may be a problem.
If 25% of mankind has a mental illness,then is it possible one fourth of the posters and one fourth of the moderators have a mental illness?
Also do you have the statistics on incurable insanity?
Can you if possible reference the authoritative source of these truisms? I would like to see the sources or references,if you can find them.I am not trying to be argumentative, but it does seem a lot for this world we live in.WOWIE as Gomer Pyle would say.
Cheers,
johenora
11-26-2003, 08:20
Originally posted by johenora
To answer your question I am a YUDANSHA....Kyoju Dairi means special teacher's license and also Soke of a system.
I have students from White belt to Black belt. My International certification is 9th degree in JiuJitsu. I also have a Lifetime Master in NRA --pistol and rifle.
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Dear Alex Olsen:
I have reread this post and I noticed an omission of fact. I wish to clarify the above. Kyoju Dairi is a Japanese term that essentially means special agent and authorization to teach. It does not mean full transmisssion Menkyo Kaiden. I have dropped out of all Japanese JuJitsu organizations.Also, I am now a Soke of my own USA JuJitsu system and do not teach the Japanese WAY.
At present I am primarily coaching USA Judo in our Dojo--Nichijo Kore Dojo and two other Dojo.
I stand corrected for my oversite.
Thanks.
Gassho,
I agree dummies are good for certain drills.
johenora
11-26-2003, 11:06
DARKSON:
Right on!
johenora
12-01-2003, 12:32
Originally posted by Bonermeister
No problem John, thanks for the complement. Which arts use silk obis? I would think they would often be destroyed due to grappling and such.
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Dear Steven:
I apologize I forgot to answer your important question and just noticed it.
Several arts use silk OBI--- Like some Kung Fu also there are silk and synthetic silk Obi manufactured for Judo,Karate etc.
There are some super wide silk and raw silk Obi for sword arts etc.
I think Addidas makes the silk ones.You could if you want check with Hsu Co on internet for silk Obi.These are EXPENSIVE.
Cheers.
I'm a junior Shodan black belt in Kyushoshinjitsu Ju Jutsu. The junior part of the grade just shows I'm under 18. The belt progression for Seniors is the following (The Junior progression has 3 stripes to a belt)
White, White with 1 Red and 1 Yellow Stripe, Yellow, Orange, Green, Blue, Purple, Brown with 1 Black Stripe, Brown with 2 Black Stripes, Brown with 3 Black Stripes, Black with 1 Red Stripe, Black with 2 Red Stripes, Black with 3 Red Stripes, Black with 4 Stripes, Red & White Belt, Same again, Red & Black belt.
Edit: The belts may be a bit mistaken around the Red & White Belt so my apoligies if they're wrong.
blessed_samurai
02-21-2004, 22:11
I guess I'll add to this long winded post.
I currently hold Shodan in HoShinDo Hapkido and Shodan in TKD, from the schools of Han Moo Kwan and Jidokwan. I wear a purple obi in my Kenjutsu class, but there is no rank, only students and Sensei.
The ranking in my TKD is white, yellow, stripe, green, stripe, blue, stripe, brown, stripe, red, stripe, black. With each stripe and belt denotes a new form, set of self defense exercises and a larger amount of breaking and kicking skills. I will never see any stripes on my black belt in this style because I have decided I do not want to learn anymore empty handed forms, I am burned out on empty handed one man kata and so I train for trainings sake and act as an asst instructor.
The ranking in my Hapkido is white, yellow, green, blue, brown, red/black, black. This is the art that I spend most of my concentration on.
I have never washed a belt and since I have quite a few gi's...wash time for the gi doesn't happen very often.
I have often wondered why so many schools have a billion stripes for the brown level. I think the brown they use for belts has go to be the ugliest shade of brown I have ever seen.
Hi! I'm a Blue belt in Taekwondo.Our Belt system is:white,stripe,yellow,stripe,green,stripe,blue,st ripe,red
black stripe and Black belt. Personally I've never understood
the thought of rank not mattering as with each belt I've shed many tears and lots of sweat! My past belts are like long lost freinds to me
I look to them for encouragement and focus!I guess I'm just silly that way,huh?Although, Sometimes I think maybe this Blue one will burn if I ever get past it!LOL! :wink2:
Wendy Lavery
TaifuSan799
02-23-2004, 17:01
I'm a Red Belt in TKD.
Kimpatsu
03-05-2004, 20:44
I dont have a belt!;)
mandeigh
How do you hold up your pants? :D
What makes you think she wears pants? I picture her in a plaid skirt....
Jeff Cook
Wabujitsu
Kimpatsu
03-05-2004, 20:56
What makes you think she wears pants? I picture her in a plaid skirt....
Jeff Cook
Wabujitsu
Even when training?
Mandeigh Wells
03-06-2004, 06:38
How do you hold up your pants? I thank heavens for the person who invented elastic waist bands :laugh:
What makes you think she wears pants? I picture her in a plaid skirt.... there are two laughs here....pants in Scotland are your nickers...so I most definately wear those...other wise the frost bite ... :eek: you know and as for wearing a skirt......well I had to wear one for a job once...the job didn't last long......I look like a drag queen in a skirt I am afraid...I even walk like Whoopie Goldberg...
Mandeigh
_militisII
03-06-2004, 08:02
:eek: Whoa...I remember makign this thread like months and months ago. Like in october or semptember. Its still alive.....wow...lol now to go back and read...
I'm 5th kyu (green belt) in Kyokushin Karate and now I'm an advanced student in Taikiken, the system goes like this beginner, intermediary, advanced and back belt. The sensei give us promotions when he judges us ready but to get our black belt we have to aproach him and maybe he'll agree to test us (kinda like in a kung fu movie).
_militisII
03-06-2004, 21:16
thats cool. I've been in schools where if you paid for the belt (which was pretty expensive) you got it, no matter how much you knew...that was my old school from when i was like 8. I remember the instructor kicked me into the cubbards and i hit my head on a lock...im glad we moved..
White. Well, it's sort of grey now...turning black in places. Been wearing the same belt for a long time.
Mark Brown
I dont really care what color my belt is, its nice to beable to look at other people and go "ah, your that". But I prefer to ask "how long" "how often" "why".
Im unranked in Hapkido, i just wear whatever is at hand. Brown for Shorinji Kempo. White (or Brown depending on how organized I am) for Aikido.
My overall favorite belt though is an Authentic Signed Pre-Loved White Belt (c). When I trained in Japan and graded up I got all my friends to sign the belt. Great momento :D
muaythaifreak
06-10-2004, 11:15
I have a black belt... made from leather with a buckle on it. Belts don't mean so much to me personally. I know what I'm capable of and so do my oponents. ;) :bow:
helvedsrike
06-10-2004, 14:51
Not that is of any relevance, but I'm a white belt. And like many of you have said, the most important question here would be "how long".
_________________
Carlos Flores
"Belt? Canvas. JC Penny, $3.98. You like?"
Bun-Bun--LOL!! - "Beltses? We don't need no stinkin beltses!!"
sorry--couldn't resist!
Best Regards,
Paul Bladen
I graded for shodan in jikishin ju jitsu only 2 weekends ago. 1 1/2 hours of sweating, pain and grunting- I'm still grinning from the experience!! :D
I agree with the opinion that experience is much more significant than "grade" or "rank"- I know several guys who could seriously kick my butt in a spar who are much lower kyu ranks, but I know a thing or two...like when to run!!!! ;)
Obtaining a new grade or rank does make you feel like you achieved something though, doesn't it??
Now I have all the responsibilities of holding a "dan" grade to look forward to. I think beginning to teach technique should improve my own.
To anwer the rest of the question, our grade system is yellow, green, blue, purple, brown then black: shodan to judan. I know of (and have been taught at a seminar by) only one judan, who has an incredible knowledge of jujitsu and what it can do. The head of our association is a haitchidan (8th, not sure on spelling!!!) and has been practicing j-j for 50 years!!!!! That's some experience!
Kev
I'm a white belt (err...sash). I just started Long Fist Kung Fu about a month ago. I think the belts in our system go white < purple < blue < green < brown < black.
This is a great forum. Very informative for someone like me that's new to MA (getting a late start at age 28, but always like trying new things!). I would never have thought that this question would offend someone - one of the many tips I've picked since I started loafing on the boards. Finally decided to register and make my first post ;)
About the belt washing...ours are silk (or silk-like material). I can imagine them getting pretty beat up and sweat stained. Our uniforms are comfy cotton pants and a black t-shirt with the school logo on them. So, not a lot of protection keeping the sweat out of them. Not like a normal judo gi I've seen which was like a winter coat! Anyways back on belt washing, it's considered bad form, bad karma, bad luck, etc. to wash them?
Thanks!
I study two different arts under my sensei, karate and kobujutsu, and in both I wear a white belt. In both the ranking in the clubs I belong to are simple: white for kyu grades (5. - 1.) and black for dan grades, although even sensei often wears white.
I've been studying karate for about 3 years now and in it I'm 1. kyu. Kobujutsu I've been studying about 2 years and I haven't been interested in grading in it. Maybe one day if/when sensei says that I have to attend :)
Blue_driven
07-09-2004, 03:58
Last to post cause i was on vacation again damn you parents. I asked for a 3rd degree black belt but insted they gave me a purple belt. Heres the order:
white
yellow
blue
blue black stripe
green
green black stripe
:bow: :karate: purple :karate: :bow:
purple black stripe
brown 1st
brown 2nd
brown 3rd(really just weapon masterie)
black belt
black belt 2-8
red belt 9th degree (whats up with this who decided to throw a red belt in)
black belt 10th degree
(weird order i know)
dmshiplo
07-15-2004, 12:17
i dont really qualify as having a belt at all right now, cause its been many years since i last practiced, but i *had* a green belt
my order went white, yellow, orange, purple, green, blue, brown, red, black
in order to be eligible for the next color, you had to collect 3 stripes on your current belt. these stripes were usually electrical tape.
there were a couple other belts, like the conditional black (black with red stripe down the middle), which people under the age of 18 get, because apparently its illegal in my area for underaged people to hold a black belt because its considered a weapon (its retarded...). i cant remember any of the other ones at the moment.
Dave
blck_soft_hit_hard
07-15-2004, 15:41
nidan and the order goes
white, yellow, orange, green, purple, brown, and then black
I am a second dan in TKD and HKD. Getting first dan was the biggest letdown I have ever had...I really expected an overnight change in my techniques or something spectacular. I was hoping for the souls of all my slain enemies to flow into my body ala the quickening in Highlander. Sadly, it didnt happen and I just got my responsibility. :D
galfano79
12-08-2004, 15:23
The Most simple explanation and in my opinion the only reason you wear a belt in a dojo is for the instructor.
With one quick glance an instructor can see what stage each of his/her students are at, and then instruct to their ability accordingly. i.e. you don't throw a beginner who doesn't know how to fall properly.
A Black Belt is not an indicator that you are an amazing fighter, quite the opposite. A Black Belt is a target (in the literal sense aswell) but more of an indicator of your technical ability. What a lot of martial artists do when they get theirs is turn lazy, reduce their training, think they're invincible and develop an arrogant streak.
This ultimately is destructive and most of them find out the hard way. Hopefully not when they're out on a saturday night, have a few drinks inside them and decide to take on the world.
NOTICE FOR BLACK BELTS
A trained Boxer with 6 months experience of full contact sparring would destroy the majority of 1st Dan Black Belts in any striking Art. FACT!
A BJJ Purple Belt will tap out a Judo Black Belt on the ground 90% of the time.
So bear this in mind as you approach and achieve yours.
Belts mean Feck-All :mad:
jakmak52
12-08-2004, 18:59
Cho-Dan 1st Degree TAEKWONDO
The rank system is important for personal development. Each rank level gives a student a physical goal that symbolizes an accomplishment.
Self-esteem leads to self-confidence. Martial arts training is a great self-confidence builder. Of course, I still believe that a good black belt must understand and demonstrate the warrior's spirit. Every student deserves an instructor who possesses cutting-edge combat tactics; the ability to see the hidden strengths within each student; and, finally, the ability to create inner courage and a sense of self-confidence in each student.
Mikey Triangles
12-08-2004, 19:20
Well I just joined Genbukan Ninpo so I am a White Belt (Rokyu in this style), but I have reached higher ranks in other arts in the past.
NOTICE FOR BLACK BELTS
A trained Boxer with 6 months experience of full contact sparring would destroy the majority of 1st Dan Black Belts in any striking Art. FACT!
A BJJ Purple Belt will tap out a Judo Black Belt on the ground 90% of the time.
So bear this in mind as you approach and achieve yours.
Belts mean Feck-All :mad:
Dude, thanks for the wake up call!! :rolleyes: :laugh:
Bugeisha
12-08-2004, 20:49
I am a second dan in TKD and HKD. Getting first dan was the biggest letdown I have ever had...I really expected an overnight change in my techniques or something spectacular. I was hoping for the souls of all my slain enemies to flow into my body ala the quickening in Highlander. Sadly, it didnt happen and I just got my responsibility. :D
Huh...When I got my 1st dan in taekwondo, I absorbed the souls of MY fallen foes. I don't know what's wrong with your school.
On the other hand, they were my FALLEN foes, so they were all worse than me;
it didn't do much good...
Forbiddenryu
12-10-2004, 18:11
im a black belt. in order, it goes
white
orange
orange-yellow
yellow blue
blue-green
green-purple
purple-brown
brown-black w/ white stripe(junior black belt)
black w/ yellow(junior 2)
black w/ blue(junior 3)
1st kyu adult black belt!!!
but as i have been told, the belt doesn't matter. if i take it off, i still know the skills. :)
I jsut got my Blue belt in TKD last sat. I felt kinda let down too tho, i guess i kidna expected there to be an instant difference inmy techinque too heh. But of course that's foolish and jsut goes to prove that belts raelly do'nt mean anything. Of course the only way to get better is to keep moving up throughthe harder curriculum even tho it's awkward at first.
tkdcanada
12-10-2004, 20:25
I jsut got my Blue belt in TKD last sat. I felt kinda let down too tho, i guess i kidna expected there to be an instant difference inmy techinque too heh.
It's just the opposite and it kinda makes sense. Everytime I moved up a level I felt that let down. As soon as you move up, you start learning the new stuff for your curriculum. Obviously it's stuff you haven't yet been exposed to and so it's new and more challenging than the stuff you've been doing for months. All of a sudden you feel less competent. You get more comfortable with it and your confidence comes back.......until you move up again and so on. :p
Dennis Monk
12-10-2004, 21:49
I am a green belt in my school, but I have a red neck, a blue collar and a black heart. :D
Bugeisha
12-11-2004, 08:33
"In Okinawa, belt means no need rope, hold up pants."
-Mr. Miyagi
David Craik
12-15-2004, 22:04
My most effective belt is one that went to the fan on a '66 Chevelle. Knocks people out like it's cool, though my dress blue belt runs a close second in arse-whoopin' potential when properly sharpened at the corners.
Then again, there's always the belt of .50 cal BMG....
Chris Hargis
12-16-2004, 18:39
I know it's after Thanksgiving, but I'm thankful for this thread.
Why? Because without it, I would probably have never seen any of lonewolf's posts.
(why, oh why, do I HAVE to 'search for user's other posts' when I see someone who's been banned? Can't turn my head from car wrecks either)
And without seeing lonewolf's posts, I wouldn't have ever looked up his other stuff and seen the Gun Disarm, Pistol Front (http://www.budoseek.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=5659&page=1) thread. (Haha, Steely-Eyed Commando! What a great thread!)
And if I hadn't ever seen that thread, I wouldn't have ever seen the best quote ever from the esteemed Jeff Burger, when talking about doing some knife practice in his gym:
I never have a shortage of students ( especially kids) who want to try and cut me.
Yep, it's the kids, Jeff. They always know. Yeesh, that must be SOME rough kinda class you run there, Super Moderator.
Ah, it's always the little things that I'm most thankful for.
(Oh, and I'm too green to know what belt I am at my school but it's color is white.)
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