Favorite Submission

[Lisa]

I was just wondering what everyones favorite submission was or what submission they find easiest to use and why?

Lately mine has been the arm triangle. I find it easiest to use my body to push my opponents arm across their neck and place the choke, maybe it is because I am a girl and need to used more than just arm strength to get someone into position.

[wab25]

I always like using the arm bar, only I have my own little twist to it. The basic idea is the arm bar you get whe you have mounted your opponent and get them reaching up. You trap their arm to your chest, spin and lay back, perpendicular to them, barring the arm over your hips. ( I know, we have all seen this one ) Here is my variation on this move, that I never see people use. I get side control and try to shove my knees under their side. Then I start going for the cross arm bar or americana, which ever they not countering. I will also drop my elbow into their neck. What I am looking for, is for them to roll slightly to their side, facing away from me and to put their arm around my body, under my armpit. They will usually do this if they think they can roll you over. As soon as they get a good grip on me, I use my upper arm to trap their arm around me, as I swing one leg over their face and lay back. I bring my other ankle up underneath my knee and bar their arm over my shin instead of my hips. ( its not the best way to hold someone, but it is a very good way to quickly break their arm ) Anyway, I like using that because people never expect that arm bar when you have side control. They always expect the cross arm bar or americana or a position change. While going for the cross arm bar or americana, most of the time, they will set themsselves up for this bar, all you have to do is take it. So many Pride and UFC fights would be a lot shorter if the guy in side control would use this move, he is usually always set up for it.......

[Luebbers]

That's interesting about the side-control armbar. I just read a technique in Jean-Jaques Machado's BJJ book that is similar to this. Since most people expect you to go for the arm on the opposite side when you have side control, he'll often go for the arm on the same side. He usually goes to a semi-knee-on-stomach position, and then drops back into the arm bar.

Personally, my favorite submission is the rear naked choke. It, to me, is quintessential BJJ. It's like you work through the hierarchy of positions, work to take the back, and choke them out with a freakin' mean ass choke.

As far as in NHB fights, my favorite submission was Royce Gracie's triangle choke over Dan Severn in UFC IV - that was a great end to the fight.

[wab25]

I will have to go take a look at Jean-Jaques Machado's BJJ book. It sounds like the same move, minus the knee on stomach part.

Royce beating Dan was one of my favorites too. The best part of that submission has to be the announcers though: "Royce is in some real trouble now, he can't get out of Dans control, he has his leg up around Dan's head, but there is nothing there, whats he thinking....WAIT Dan just tapped out??? What happened??? Why did he tap???"

[Lisa]

Personally, my favorite submission is the rear naked choke. It, to me, is quintessential BJJ. It's like you work through the hierarchy of positions, work to take the back, and choke them out with a freakin' mean ass choke.


LOL! That is my youngest daughter's trademark submission in her kid's class. Because it is the kid's class, she places it with one arm over the shoulder and one arm under the other arm locking her hands together and never really applying any kind of choke (the real choke she reserves for her coach only ;) ) She gets her opponents into this position and holds it for a count of five to win the match. No one can get their hooks in like she can. Makes a mommy proud :D

[Antares33]

My favorite moves are probably the Triangle and the Rear Naked choke. I've been focusing on improving my arm bar from the guard lately though, and once I its up to snuff I can see myself using it quite often since I like to work the guard and it usually feels less risky than a triangle.

[Cliff Hargrave]

juji gatame - arm lock, i try to hit it from lots of different angles and set ups.

[rubberband]

do we have to pick just one...

I have spent the most time working on side wrist lock (what bjjers call kimura) I like it because you can catch it very easily on the fly and it is a great set up for other moves... it can also be used as a leverage while wrestling...

take care, steve

[riku]

I'd like to go for neck, too.. rear choke.. but it seems to be rather hard to find way to get there :( ...

With respect,
Riku Ylönen

[Dennis Monk]

Rear choke. Never had a chance to apply it during grappling sessions in our karate class though. At work is a different story.
Here is the scenerio:
Drunk guy comes into the jail, mean and mad. He decides while you are taking off the handcuffs and patting him down for weapons, drugs, etc that you are now the reason for his unfortunate incarceration, which is obviously an attempt to place a smudge against his "good" character. He curses at you and then violently pushes himself off of the wall and into your waiting arms. Sink the arm under beast's chin, slide the other arm up and behind his head. Guide him cautiously to the ground. Wait a few seconds, then re-apply handcuffs. The drunk wakes up just slightly confused as to what happened. The arresting officer stands there mouthing the word, "Wow." and asks where you learned that from. You politely tell him that Cliff Hargrave taught you, and could teach him as well. Refill your coffee cup, and retire to the office. Begin writing a Use of Force report that takes less time to complete than this post took to type.
Done!

[Cliff Hargrave]

Rear choke. The arresting officer stands there mouthing the word, "Wow." and asks where you learned that from. You politely tell him that Cliff Hargrave taught you, and could teach him as well. Refill your coffee cup, and retire to the office.

Great, throw me in that liability loop when I am not even there! :)

[Jeff Burger]

Im looking for the armbar or a chooke but I usually end up with a guillitine or a heel hook.
People tend not to defend their legs well.

Jeff

[Tribalweapon]

I have never had any real training in submissions but i have found something that works for me. The style I took was based on Tae-Kwon-Do so i throw alot of high kicks. Anyway I went to a BJJ class and saw the instructor demonstrating a collar choke(not sure what it is called). He slid his right hand across the opponentschest and grabbed towards the back of his collar. He then crossed his other hand over and grabbed the other side. Then he fell back and choked him(don't know the right terms so just stay with me here.) I found this usefull in sparring when my opponent catches one of my kicks and tries to push me on my back. It took a few tries but now works like a charm.

[Fire_Wings]

I have always liked chokes. Since most people in my class are a good deal bigger than me, sometimes joint locks are often difficult.
My personal favourite is the guillotine, (closed guard, wrap arm around neck of opponent headlock style, extend hips.) since guard is a possition I am in alot.

[Antares33]

I have never had any real training in submissions but i have found something that works for me. The style I took was based on Tae-Kwon-Do so i throw alot of high kicks. Anyway I went to a BJJ class and saw the instructor demonstrating a collar choke(not sure what it is called). He slid his right hand across the opponentschest and grabbed towards the back of his collar. He then crossed his other hand over and grabbed the other side. Then he fell back and choked him(don't know the right terms so just stay with me here.) I found this usefull in sparring when my opponent catches one of my kicks and tries to push me on my back. It took a few tries but now works like a charm.

BJJ guys usually call them "Gi Chokes" There are a bunch of them. The one you're describing is one of the first and most useful moves I've learned in BJJ. It is fairly easy to defend while in someone's guard, but its one of those moves that you always have to be defending against or you'll be caught in it in no time flat.

[Musubi Dojo]

Like this?

http://w1.261.telia.com/~u26130214/judo/katamewaza/katajujijime.html

or

http://w1.261.telia.com/~u26130214/judo/katamewaza/namijujijime.html

or

http://w1.261.telia.com/~u26130214/judo/katamewaza/gyakujujijime.html

Cheers
c

[Jason H]

Ude garame and ude gatame (juji gatame plus varitaions on that one). I used to like chokes, but my teacher protects his neck so well, so I just grab at the closest flailing object.... :o

[Tribalweapon]

The first one

[Jeff Burger]

I dont like to grapple with the gi cause I rely on it too much.

When do I like to use thrust choke.
Usually it just keeps them busy while I get something else in, sometimes I get it.

I dont grapple much anymore, I love but I just dont have enough students interested in it.

Jeff

[Luebbers]

I hate you people!!! The cross-collar gi choke is the bane of my existence! I dislike gi chokes in general, but that one really drives me nuts. I'm just minding my own business trying to take a breather in your guard - why do you have to interrupt my moment of rest with this infernal technique! I know you're tired, too; I can feel the sluggishness in your legs and your half-hearted attemps at scooting to the side or bringing the legs up for an arm-bar or a choke - but NOOO, not to tired to start screwing with my gi and forcing me to defend it now before it's too late. Ohhh, that cursed choke...

[Jeff Burger]

Oh you really hate me then.
I dont wait to be on the groun with it, I try to get it while standing.
this is good for off balancing the person physically and keeping them busy mentally ( no body wants to tap to a choke in standing position).

I remember know what its called but....
From a standing collar grab jerk the person towards you and down...
Now loop your arm around the neck and push down on the back of their neck with your forearm.
People dont expect to be in big trouble that earlier.

Jeff

[Fire_Wings]

I hate you people!!! The cross-collar gi choke is the bane of my existence! I dislike gi chokes in general, but that one really drives me nuts. I'm just minding my own business trying to take a breather in your guard - why do you have to interrupt my moment of rest with this infernal technique! I know you're tired, too; I can feel the sluggishness in your legs and your half-hearted attemps at scooting to the side or bringing the legs up for an arm-bar or a choke - but NOOO, not to tired to start screwing with my gi and forcing me to defend it now before it's too late. Ohhh, that cursed choke...


Wow. Maybe it's time to consider the "pajama" look we've adapted :wink2: . gi pants and a t-shirt. If you dare wear a gi where we are, you'll get choked in a seccond. not fun.

[Andrew Green]

Wow. Maybe it's time to consider the "pajama" look we've adapted :wink2: . gi pants and a t-shirt. If you dare wear a gi where we are, you'll get choked in a seccond. not fun.


Yeah, the PJ's...

What choice did I have?

I spend all that time coming up with this really cool Pink Lycra uniform, and you veto it out. So now we're stuck in PJ's, how embarassing :(

[black-gi]

I like the triangle choke as well as a side choke from guard when people are pushing my face I ( when it works) push there elbow past and choke. Or as they punch I try to compact and slip under it so my head is in there arm pit and choke from there. It doesn't always works, no different then any other. But I like it.




Jason Bryant

[Gae-Bek]

I've never had a choke hurt more, faster, than the first time that I had a "Baseball" choke put on me. Good one to get from knee-on-chest (if your partner has a Gi on).

[Lisa]

I've never had a choke hurt more, faster, than the first time that I had a "Baseball" choke put on me. Good one to get from knee-on-chest (if your partner has a Gi on).

Can you please explain "baseball" choke to me?

[Sean Reilly]

I luuuuuuv the Kimura :)

[ssenniug]

I got taught the Ezekial choke from the mount and I like that alot.

Of course, I am too new to say that I have a favorite, I am just happy to get any submission =)

[riku]

I'm not familiar with the term 'Ezekial choke', would you describe it?

With respect,
Riku Ylönen

[nosh276]

I'm not familiar with the term 'Ezekial choke', would you describe it?

With respect,
Riku Ylönen


I've only just started jujitsu and have only done ground fighting twice. Both times my oponnent was bigger, stronger and more experienced than me. I knew I wouldn't be able to get a choke hold or an arm bar so I just attacked the pressure points until they couldn't stand it. I won my first match, but lost the second. The second was against my instructor. He got me to submit twice with 2 choke holds. He kept shaking out of my pressure point attacks.

[Erik]

I've had great results from horrible positions with this one (and was stoked to have seen it done in Pride!)

If I can get one arm behind an opponent's head and use that hand to grab the cuff of my other hand (like grabbing your own wristwatch band), then slide the second hand under the chin and straighten up a bit, I usually get the submission. Tricky getting the front hand into position, however.

I use this one a lot to set up guard passes as it gets their attention away from their legs. Somehow, it seems to sometimes get them to tap from within their own guard. Go figure.

[Fitz]

I like the scissor legs. Ehh, maybe cuz it's funny looking. Could be becuz it's also simple, yesh?

-Fitz

[Ryan S]

Scissor legs?What the heck is that?Never heard of it.

[riku]

Erik, Fitz-
remember the forum rule demanding everyone to sign all posts with real, full name:
http://www.budoseek.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=5142

Riku Ylönen

[Gae-Bek]

Can you please explain "baseball" choke to me?

I'll do my best...

From knee-on-chest or side control (either or, but it works better from knee-on-chest), if I'm on my partner's right side, I run my right hand up the left side of the neck, and get a deep collar grab, with my right palm up. I repeat the same motion with my left, only difference being that my left palm is facing down.

I try to get my hands as close together as possible (behind their head), and when I do it right, my hands are in the same position as they are when I hold a baseball bat (when batting right-handed, in this instance). I then bring my elbows together.

To apply pressure, while still hanging on to their Gi, I go chest-to-chest, and then I rotate my position clockwise (on the other side, I'd go counter-clockwise).

The resulting pressure sucks very badly.

I hope I explained that well. I've only been doing BJJ for 4 months now, so I'm sure that some of the more-experienced guys will chime in if I missed anything.

[Jim]

I'm kinda partial to a lung choke - however you like to get them. You get a good pain aspect and the ability to limit the air intact drains them while you get a breather.

One way that springs to mind in getting into them is where you've just swept Uke to ground (maybe DeAshi Barai) and then to wind your left arm around and under Uke's right arm, behind his head, across the back of the neck and over the shoulder to rest your left hand into the arm pit. For added pain, put your left leg so that your kneecap assists your arm behind the head and your left foot assists your hand in the armpit area.

Makes them look bloody stupid too. :D

[Fitz]

eh ok i try to break it down. Usually i place my right foot in front of my partner's front right foot to take him down. Then, when he falls on his stomach, slide your left foot behind his right knee and lay on your back going clockwise. At this time, your right foot should be adding pressure to go down and your left foot adding pressure to go up. This way, your lock the partner's right leg with yours. Btw, i think there are many ways to employ this thing so it's not the only way, it's just how i do it. And yes, there are ways to get out of this, as with every grappling move but i do it for fun, in which part of sparring's goal is, besides working out.

-Fitz

[Ryan S]

Jeez sorry Fitz,I must be stupid.I still can't figure it out.So your facing your opponent.How do you take him down and get him on the ground?Are you applying a capsule lock to his knee by placing your leg across the back of his knee and then pulling his foot towards you.That would put him on his stomach and you sitting or on your back beside him.

[Shiro_ryuu]

I never really seem to get an advantage whenever I'm grappling because many of the people in my class are either bigger or more experienced than me, or both but I like the Triangle choke and the Toe hold. My only two victories when I was rolling was with these 2 moves.

[Good advisor]

I was just wondering what everyones favorite submission was or what submission they find easiest to use and why?

Lately mine has been the arm triangle. I find it easiest to use my body to push my opponents arm across their neck and place the choke, maybe it is because I am a girl and need to used more than just arm strength to get someone into position.


My is the arm hold, and choke toss. Is when an opponet punch you or you grab their hands and the other hand grab their neck and swung them down hard on the ground (If drunk can cuased head injuries) follwed by a knee drop.

[Good advisor]

I'd like to go for neck, too.. rear choke.. but it seems to be rather hard to find way to get there :( ...

With respect,
Riku Ylönen


I would say that the opponent will react faster then anything if you grab their neck, grab their arms them he'll come forward then you can do whatever you like to him etc, ^*__*^00000

[Steve Loftin]

Probably, my favorite submission is a double wrist lock. You can get this from so many different positions that it will make you sick.

I am a huge fan of all crooked arm locks and bent leg locks.

Heel hooks are sweeter than momma's apple pie and really easy to apply and chain from. Heelhook to press toe hold to stopper toe hold to stepover knee compression to stepover toe hold, etc, etc. But the first hold should do it. No use chaining unless you're dealing with a master counterfighter or a PCP monster who just doesn't quite feel the pain. :wink2:


Steve

[Luebbers]

Beware using heelhooks on beginners. They are the mother of all ACL injuries. They often don't hurt until you hear it pop, and beginners won't know any better. Too many people wait for the pain to be unbearable before they tap.

[Bad Karma]

My favorite submission is the short arm scissor and my most disliked submission is anything leg related. I have long legs and it's just too easy to catch me with one of them.

Peace

[Bleed___]

heel hooks are good, i'v heard some horror stories about the after affects that puts me off slightly though... only slightly.

[Patrick Hayes]

I prefer armbars, especially if I can get my lower leg hooked under their chin and grind down, turning it into a choke as well. I also like how the kansetsu straight-arm lock can easily be turned into any bent-arm lock (niho nage osae is particularly nasty from this position).

[Bleed___]

I also feel that the achilles lock is under appreciated, it dose take some work for it to be affective on conditiond fighters.

[Gene Williams]

Chokes are my favorite, but they are difficult to apply to a skilled opponent. I have successfully employed wrist locks and finger locks against resisting people, but those would probably be classed as "come alongs." Uchi mawari is my all time favorite wrist technique, and it is fairly easy to apply from many positions.

[topgun3442]

Favorite submission......The one that works!

[Bugeisha]

I'm not an experienced groundfighter, but I'm a fan of the guillotine and rear-naked chokes.

[shugyo]

I'm really suprised no one mentioned knee bar yet, there is so many variations and it works so well :)