Most affective Ma?

[Rokto Obotar]

Which HAND to HAND Ma arround(that you bellieve is most affective). Is anyone traning with it if so how do they like it. How is the grading system?

[Jay Bell]

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[Sochin]

Sinanaju - I sign with Chiun next week...

[SteyrAUG]

Which HAND to HAND Ma arround(that you bellieve is most affective). Is anyone traning with it if so how do they like it. How is the grading system?


It doesn't exist.

If there was one superior martial art that would always defeat the others then it would be the only one that existed.

Now by the very nature of their classification as a "style" there will be some that are more advantageous than others in specific circumstances.

Examples:

Boxing will probably be more useful than Tae Kwon Do in the confines of a public restroom.

Grappling styles will probably be less useful to a person of smaller stature than a striking style.

Boxing will be less useful on the ground if that is where a fight goes.

Ultimately it will come down to the ability of the individual and his capacity to apply knowledge.

If we take 2 more or less equal individuals and one studies Japanese Karate and the other studies Ju Jutsu.

If student A trains 5 times a week and student B trains once a week, then probably student A will prevail in a combat. If the reverse the equation then student B will prevail.

So the short answer is, it is the student and not the style that wins.

Any 'genuine' style will be useful. How effectively you will be able to employ that style will depend upon how you train.

[Bun-Bun]

Or, to sum up:

"There is no ultimate martial art-- only ultimate martial artists."

[Bun-Bun]

Sinanaju - I sign with Chiun next week...
I know I shouldn't double-post, but: :laugh: :toast: :laugh:

[RA Miller]

ka-chink pau

[KZMiller]

Aw, I thought this was going to be a thread about the most affective, as in affected rather than effective martial art ...

Sorry, don't mean to be mean about spelling errors. I don't usually pick on them but the pun was just too precious.

The art most effective for you may not be the most effective for someone else. Kaching-pau is tough to beat, however, and does dominate as the most feared art of our time. :bow:

[riku]

Finnish Martial Art No-ki-a, constant flow of information: pick up your cell phone, call police, call cab, call your friends :D :D ..

Riku Ylönen

[Dennis Monk]

Southeast Texas-Jitsu is the most effective martial art in the world.
When an attacker comes your way, you simply put your hands in the area of his face and eyes. All of the spices from the crawfish boil you just attended will transfer to the mucous membranes of your attacker, rendering him helpless. If your opponent is a crafty and skilled MA-ist and can fight this off you move to the heavy stuff. Pull out any year's Vidor High School yearbook and quickly flip to the prom page. A picture of a sheep with a tierra and sash will defeat even the toughest attacker.

[KZMiller]

I must confess that crawfish boil trumps my wasabi! But can you defeat French halitosis? :t2:

Riku: can they hear you now? Better check your defensive coverage!

:laugh:

[Dennis Monk]

French halitosis does sound pretty bad. That I would have to agree with.

[Ice-cut]

...Im not not sure about this at all,but i have seen a little information in old Chinese&Japanese history books about some "forbiten"styles what were too powerfull eaven for the military...Im planning to find alot of more info about it in the future(im really in the history of martial arts)...
but anyways...the best styles i have seen in action so far are hap-ki-do&tae-kwon-do&a form of karate in which name im not sure of :laugh: ...tho I think that some old chinese styles might be better cause of the movement&everythin but :confused: ...
so basically im not make'in any sence at all again :laugh:

[Ewok85]

Depends on what you view as effective. Effective to win? To defend? A gun is pretty effective but thats not what you want right?


Im not not sure about this at all,but i have seen a little information in old Chinese&Japanese history books about some "forbiten"styles what were too powerfull eaven for the military

Depends, after WWII in Japan the occupying force declared all martial arts to be forbidden (illegal) as they promoted imperialism. Most of them survived by becoming 'sports' ;) hehe

Similar thing happened in China during the early 1900's, so most chinese styles can lay claim to being forbidden or secret. :D

[SRK85]

Most effective hmm tough one every art has its strengths and weaknesses. But if you looking fo an effective fighting I guess Muay Thai beacause thats what all the MMA take. But I never had exeprience with Muay Thai Kickboxing so I really don't know that much about it :confused:

[nosh276]

I would have to say ninjitsu, but ONLY in it's most traditional form.

Here's a summary of the history of ninjitsu and also a little about the training.

" Ninjutsu began more than 800 years ago among the ninja people living in Japan. The warrior class which ruled Japan at the time were called the Samurai. They controlled the land and it's people. Their lord, the Shogun, was the only person the Samurai was answerable to.

The ordinary peasant served the warriors every whim. A peasant could never strike a Samurai. If he did, it would mean his life.

The ninja would not serve the Samurai, and fled to the barren, cold, mountainous regions of Iga and Koga. There they trained in the arts of war. It is said that their art is based upon a great Chinese military text written by a general named Sun Tzu, The Art of War. Over the centuries the ninja (word meaning 'stealers-in') trained from the cradle to the grave in every known martial art. Their forte was espionage and assassination, by any means possible. But their training also taught them to reach spiritual heights, by pushing their bodies and minds to limits far beyond that of normal human endurance.

Training for a ninja began almost as soon as he could walk. Childhood games were designed to inculcate expertise in unarmed combat, swordwork, weaponry, camouflage, escape and evasion. In time, the ninja warriors came to be feared throughout Japan. Even the mighty Samaurai looked over his shoulder if a ninja was known to be in the area.

Over the centuries, while ninjutsu was being practiced in secrecy, no one knew anything about the art except the ninjas themselves. When Japan emerged into the modern era, and feudalism collapsed, the ninja were absorbed into Japan's secret service and special services groups.

The martial arts boom of the 1970's saw two men searching for something different. Doron Navon and Stephen Hayes found a ninjutsu headmaster living in Japan who came from an unbroken line of ninja instructors dating back almost 800 years. The art was then brought to the western World.

When speaking of Ninja, the image of a black clad assassin disappearing in a cloud of smoke is what comes to mind. This distortion has nothing to do with the reality of studying Ninjutsu, or "Ninpo" in its highest order. Ninpo is a traditional Japanese bujutsu martial art with a rich and viable history that stretches back over ten centuries. Developed as a highly illegal counterculture to the ruling samurai warrior class, Ninpo still flourishes today under the direct guidance of Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi,34th grandmaster of the Togakure Ryu Ninjutsu tradition and eight other budo traditions. Dr. Hatsumi is the last variable true Ninja grandmaster having a direct line of decent from feudal Japan.

Ninpo is a more global title for the nine ryu (families) related. Po is Japanese for 'principle way'. "

MA RESOURCE (http://www.resource-media.com/arts/Ninjitsu/ninjitsu.html)

I say ninjitsu because of the constant training and the use of any means necessary to accomplish the set goal.

[Bun-Bun]

My understanding is that for both "Ninjutsu" and Muay Thai, the secret to their effectiveness was not in the art itself; but rather in the fanatical devotion of their practicioners.

There is no martial art that can transform Joe Average into Whirling-Death-Machine. Only dedication and training can accomplish that. I've met plenty of people who studied Muay Thai and "Ninjitsu" (their exact words) who don't even intimidate me in the slightest. I've met judo practicioners who can make me question my sphincter control. It's all about the individual, and not their fighting style.

It's not the art, it's the artist.

[nosh276]

My understanding is that for both "Ninjutsu" and Muay Thai, the secret to their effectiveness was not in the art itself; but rather in the fanatical devotion of their practicioners.

There is no martial art that can transform Joe Average into Whirling-Death-Machine. Only dedication and training can accomplish that. I've met plenty of people who studied Muay Thai and "Ninjitsu" (their exact words) who don't even intimidate me in the slightest. I've met judo practicioners who can make me question my sphincter control. It's all about the individual, and not their fighting style.

It's not the art, it's the artist.

We agree, sort of. I said traditional ninjitsu, which is studied for one's entire life. Every aspect of one's life reflects your training. I don't know of any practitioners today that exemplify this quality. It is that quality, however, that made me choose it as the most effective. If you take out that quality, then it is no better than any other MA.

[Ewok85]

I must agree, whenever i hear the magic words "ninjitsu" or "Jujitsu" i tend to snigger and try and humour the poor person.

[nosh276]

I must agree, whenever i hear the magic words "ninjitsu" or "Jujitsu" i tend to snigger and try and humour the poor person.

It's sad how something that was so honorable could regress to something that has more power in it's name than it does in performance. Of course that seems to be happening in nearly every MA.

[Ewok85]

Its more of a language thing. If you are serious about what you study you could at the very least say/spell it right.

[Bun-Bun]

We agree, sort of. I said traditional ninjitsu, which is studied for one's entire life. Every aspect of one's life reflects your training. I don't know of any practitioners today that exemplify this quality. It is that quality, however, that made me choose it as the most effective. If you take out that quality, then it is no better than any other MA.
Having never met any traditional "Ninja", I have no way of telling. Certainly historically, they're quite dedicated. Nowadays, the closest in fanaticism I've seen are in the Muay Thai fighters in Thailand, who have undergone grueling, brutal training since a very early age. The two actual fighters I've met were perfectly willing to prove their skills by letting people randomly bash them across the shins with two-by-fours. That's a level of fanaticism I'll never match.


It's sad how something that was so honorable could regress to something that has more power in it's name than it does in performance. Of course that seems to be happening in nearly every MA.
Ewok's got a point. I mean, if they say they're studying ninjitsu, I automatically assume they're a fanboy. I think I encountered exactly one person who admitted to be training to be Shinobi, although my Japanese isn't good enough to give the exact word he used. I'll grant more respect to those who say they're studying Ninpo or Ninjutsu. The same thing applies to the guys who claim to be studying "Traditional Muay Thai"-- if they're not willing to take a two-by-four across the shins, they're not studying it in the traditional sense.

It's a bit like the guys I know who claim to be studying "Original Shaolin Wushu" or "True Form Kendo". You clearly know the history; these guys clearly don't. Serious practicioners won't make sloppy mistakes like that-- they'll use the correct terms.

If you truly value your art, you should at least take some time understanding how it began and how it formed. Without that, you cannot understand what it means today.