Hapkiyusool-Techniques

[Paul B]

Sorry if this is in the wrong place, I'm still a "newbie". A question about Hapkiyusool techniques..I know that Hapkiyusool translates as Aikijujutsu, and I was wondering if hanmihandachi/suwari-waza = one standing-one sitting/both seated--were included in the curriculum. I currently study Hapkido from the In Sun Seo lineage and there is a few, but nothing like I learned when studying Aikido. Please be patient with me as this is my first Korean MA so I'm trying to learn as much as I can about traditional KMA. Any response will be greatly appreciated.

Best Regards,

Paul Bladen--Midwest Hapkido Group--Hanminjok Hapkido

[howard]

paul, i assume you mean the types of seated techniques where one or both people are seated rather formally, in something of a lotus position.

i raised this same question a while back in my school (jungkikwan hapkido). our instructor told me that there are a number of formal seated techniques, but they are at the advanced black belt level. i have never practiced any in training (have been in this style about 8 years).

on the other hand, we do practice a number of techniques that broadly fall under the "one standing, one sitting" heading. these assume that you have been knocked to the ground and are either sitting on your butt or are kneeling.

hope this helps...

[Paul B]

Thanks Howard!

Hmm. Advanced,huh?Pretty cool, how about those other techniques you said you have worked on? Were they from "common" attacks i.e.punches,grabs, or did you work on any kick defenses from the ground at all? Just curious. Thanks again for responding!

Paul Bladen--Midwest Hapkido Group--Hanmninjok Hapkido

[moksha]

reply,

To Paul B: In Hapkiyusul we do exactly the same things you find in a Aikijujutsu school. We do lots of techniques from the seiza position, actually pretty much all the techniques you can do standing, we do from the sitting also. The only difference I have seen from our art of Hapkiyusul, and what I've seen in the Aikijujutsu schools is the pace that the techniques are applied. We do everything full power attacks, of course we go slower with the new belts, but once you reach Chodan, you better count on being attacked at full speed. It has a very comprehensive weapons traing, along with weapons defense, and kick defense. What I like about it most is that the defenses against weapons, kicks etc. are no different than the defenses from strikes, or punches. So the muscle memory to me sticks in better, because you don't have to change anything just because they have a weapon, or their using a kick. It's all the same movements. If you have any more questions about the art let me know, and I will try to answer them with the best of my knowledge. "namaste"

[Paul B]

Absolutely beautiful reply, thank you very much, I was hoping to hear exactly what you told me! That is a shocker, as I don't get that often!!
Another couple questions if I could as regards to weapons defense in Hapkiyusool, are you talking about the uses of shiho nage, kote gaishi, ikkyo,sankyo, etc as far as being the same as empty-handed? I apologize for using Japanese, but I don't know the names in Korean.Also, do you know of any Dojangs in my neck of the woods? It would be an absolute thrill for me to train in this Art! Thanks for your patience.

Best Regards,

Paul Bladen--Midwest Hapkido Group--Hanminjok Hapkido

[moksha]

reply,

To Paul B: hey, it's no problem at all, I love sharing information about our art. To answer your question you wil have to bare with me. pretty much some of the techniques you described yes we do do them with some of the open hand defenses against knife attacks, but as far as the sword defense not so much . you could imagine trying to do a shio nage when the person has a sword, but for the most part yes pretty much every thing open handed is the same as the weapons defense. I wanted to ask you, are you affiliated with Mr. Simms at all? we have talked a few times about Hapkiyusul techniques. As far as we know we have not seen any other schools in the U.S that teach this style. However we do have a few ppl spread out through the U.S that teach on base in their home states. I'm not sure where you are located but we have Mr.Tim who is in Ohio, Mr. Chris who is in Arizona, and Mr. Scott who is in Utah. Both Tim, and Chris are 2nd degrees, and Scott just recieved is 3rd when Grandmaster Jang came to our school for his week seminar. All 3 of these guys are great guys to train with, they all trained directly under Grandmaster Jang in Korea while stationed there. I'm not sure if these locations help you at all, but if so let me know and which ever one is closest to you I will try and get there information for you incase you want to go there and train. That way you can schedule a good time for both of you to get together and train. Please note that after tonight I will be traveling back to VA, so I will not be able to respond for some time. So if you have any more questions feel free to e-mail Master Allen at the Florida Dojang, at www.Hapkiyoosool.com. He's a real nice guy and has no problems with answering questions about the art, or whatever. Just as a side note, when I return to VA in a couple of days I will be looking for a school that I can teach at part time, Master Allen, and Grandmaster Jang have given me permission to teach, but don't want me to open my school just yet. I cannot agree more, I know myself I'm not ready to do that. So if your ever in the VA area let me know and we can get together and do some training, it will be great for me because it will help me keep my own training up now that I'm going to be away from Master Allen. But he has assured me that we will keep in touch and we will both will be traveling back and forth so he knows that I'm progressing and to keep my rank progressing also, so that I can open my own school someday. Any way I must go finish packing, but I will keep in touch on the boards as much as I can. It as been good talking to you, take care. "namaste"

[Paul B]

Hey,thanks again Moksha! Good luck with your move! Hope everything works out for you. To answer a couple of questions, no, I'm not affiliated with Mr. Simms, I think we were at one time, but since have changed from GM Kwang Sik Myung to GM In Sun Seo's new Hanminjok Organization. Personally, I try to stay as far away from the political stuff as possible. I just want to train hard, you know? But yeah, now we're with Hanminjok Hapkido and so far it's been fantastic. Thanks for the recommendations, but I'm in Indiana, there's nobody close to me, oh well. Oh yeah, I dont know if this helps but I train under Mst. Pinkowski. Again, thanks for the info. Hopefully someday I'll be able to get together and train with you and some of the other Hapkiyusul people, I'm sure we would have a blast!!

Best Regards,

Paul Bladen--Midwest Hapkido Group--Hanminjok Hapkido

[Rudy W. Timmerman]

Sorry if this is in the wrong place, I'm still a "newbie". A question about Hapkiyusool techniques..I know that Hapkiyusool translates as Aikijujutsu, and I was wondering if hanmihandachi/suwari-waza = one standing-one sitting/both seated--were included in the curriculum. I currently study Hapkido from the In Sun Seo lineage and there is a few, but nothing like I learned when studying Aikido. Please be patient with me as this is my first Korean MA so I'm trying to learn as much as I can about traditional KMA. Any response will be greatly appreciated.

Best Regards,

Paul Bladen--Midwest Hapkido Group--Hanminjok Hapkido

Hello Paul:
If you are from the Seo/Suh lineage, you will likely learn Jha Ki, Wha Ki, and Mohk Joul Ryu Ki... all of which have some seated, lying down, or kneeling situations. Most of these techniques are in the upper belt curriculum, so it may be a while before you get to them. Best wishes in training.

[Rudy W. Timmerman]

I'm in Indiana, there's nobody close to me, oh well. Oh yeah, I dont know if this helps but I train under Mst. Pinkowski. Again, thanks for the info. Hopefully someday I'll be able to get together and train with you and some of the other Hapkiyusul people, I'm sure we would have a blast!!

Best Regards,

Paul Bladen--Midwest Hapkido Group--Hanminjok Hapkido

Hello again:
Just read your note on training with others. I am conducting a seminar in Norwalk, Ohio on the weekend of June 18-20. Not too far from your area, and you'll have an opportunity to meet quite a few more training partners:) Please give Master Pinkowski my regards and let him know I'll be in his neck of the woods. I enjoyed meeting him in Korea a few months ago.

[Paul B]

Thank you very much sir!! I will pass along the "Hello" to Mst. Pinkowski as soon as he gets back from China, yes, he gets around! Could you do me the honor of giving details about the upcoming seminar? I don't know for sure if I could make it, but I would absolutely love to go! Thanks again!

Best Regards,

Paul Bladen

[Rudy W. Timmerman]

I am not sure if it is correct protocol to advertise the seminar, so with your permission I could send you the info on the seminar off forum.

[Paul B]

Me either, so let's err on the side of caution,eh! You could personal message me, I think just click on my registered name and select send personal message, or you could e-mail me-- paul@budoseek.zzn.com. Any information would be greatly appreciated! Thanks again.

Best Regards,

Paul Bladen--Midwest Hapkido Group--Hanminjok Hapkido

[howard]

Thanks Howard!

Hmm. Advanced,huh?Pretty cool, how about those other techniques you said you have worked on? Were they from "common" attacks i.e.punches,grabs, or did you work on any kick defenses from the ground at all? Just curious. Thanks again for responding!

Paul Bladen--Midwest Hapkido Group--Hanmninjok Hapkido

paul, yes, we work on all kinds of defenses from common attacks. a lot of our curriculum up to first dan focuses on techniques to counter wrist grabs. as you become better at the techniques off grabs, you learn to apply them from other situations, like punches, chokes, etc.

as for kick defeneses from the ground, a lot of our "ground defense" (defending yourself when you have somehow been knocked to the ground) uses kicking. we basically try to keep the attacker at bay with our feet until we can get back to a standing position. most of our basic kick defenses are from a standing position.

we are a very traditional kwan, so we use kicking much less than the ji han jae branch of the art (no criticism intended here, just a fact). we keep our kicks below the waist.

hope you find this informative... regards, howard

[Paul B]

Thanks again,Howard!

It seems like we train in a very similar fashion! High kicks are only encouraged for "flexibility" in our Dojang, and discouraged in a practical situation. Nothing "fancy" like flying jump spinning half-gainer what have you.
We also start our training from different grabs, wrist,shoulder,chest,sleeves,etc..before progressing to actual "strikes".

As far as "ground techniques" go, we also use a lot of kicks to free up time and space, but also learn different locks,points to escape but this is at a intermediate/ advanced level. Thanks again for the info! Happy Training!

Best Regards,

Paul Bladen--Midwest Hapkido Group--Hanminjok Hapkido