fight a dog

[Marco]

hi, i was just wondering if you could imagine to fight a dog..
never heard about it but i'm just curious about your experience and if you heard about any guy out there who did it (and obviously he should have won the fight..otherwise i guess he would be dead or extremely wounded)

i just thought about it,because if theres a dog running after you, he
"may be" faster than you, so what to do?

the movement of a dog who is attacking is in fact very simple (if it's just a "normal" aggressive dog ..not a dog drilled by the police..) he surely will attack your face or neck-area by a jump up to there...so it should be possible to win such a fight by -for example a fast kick-..in this situation sucha kick would be defence and attack at the same time...so what do you think about that?

(of course i know it would be very stupid to face a dog to test if you can win..but the opportunity to be attacked by a dog is given,isn't it? =)
..by the way i'm thinking bout these pitbulls etc..
just startet to think about it when i saw a guy with his
pitbull walking around.. i know..sometimes my imagination's running wild .. :laugh:

[Mandeigh Wells]

I vaguely remember a thread about this before...it was a while back.....do a search and you may be lucky

[Jim]

I've spent the past 40 minutes searching for the link to this thread where we discussed this before but no go...

[Mandeigh Wells]

I wonder if it has been cleaned out...pity...I think it went on a long way

[reptilist]

It did not do any good. It continued to attack my dog (who was being walked on a leash, btw).
A really good whack to the snout may buy you some time though.

[Cliff Hargrave]

I have shot a few. A .40 cal jacketed hollow point to the head works great.

[TonyU]

I have shot a few. A .40 cal jacketed hollow point to the head works great.

Torso area also works well.

[jjaje]

Give the dog something else to put in their mouth. If you have a stick handy or whatever. One martial artisit once recommended pulling your shirt off if you have the time and use that as a target for the dog to bite. Maybe use a shoe for the dog to bite.

Many dogs, once they bite something, turn letting go into tug of war. Tug on the shirt you just gave them a little and the dog may keep tugging back - at least it's not biting you then.

If that fails, go find the thread about favorite self defense weapons. When I go running at night, I have a 4 C-cell maglite with me. Only came close once to needing it on a dog. (if they made the darn thing with an electric shocker built in, I'd be all set)

A dog can move it's mouth and head very fast. Be wary of trying to grab the dog from the front if his mouth is empty - they can grab your hands quicker than many people think they can.

[fishtaco]

hi, i was just wondering if you could imagine to fight a dog..
never heard about it but i'm just curious about your experience and if you heard about any guy out there who did it (and obviously he should have won the fight..otherwise i guess he would be dead or extremely wounded)


One of my dad's favorite bragging stories was that when he was younger, a dog attacked him. He raised his left arm in defense, and the dog bit down on it, while he choked the dog to death with his right hand that was free.

Since half the stuff my dad says are lies, the other half exaggerations, the dog might have been an extremely angry chihuahua. I think a large aggressive dog would have shredded his arm before he could do anything serious to the dog.

Just carry a vacuume cleaner, it's the bane of all dogs!

-Ben Chang

[Paul B]

LOL! Or a garbage bag. My Akita(100+lbs) heads for the hills whenever I shake out a new garbage bag for the can! I do remember reading somewhere about carrying something to either block/distract attacking dogs.

[JujitsuFreak]

I was attacked by a German Sheperd while employed at my job, barely broke the skin and it ended because I steel toe'd him in the face. Was a little sneak attack too, he came up to me all nicey nicey and then CHOMP on my rear, literally! This is all fact. After I kicked him, he walked away and I phoned for my Sup who gave me the rest of the day off... it barely broke the skin so I couldn't technically hold the owner liable, whatever, I was jumpy after that... every house I went to after that(I would carry a set of tools on every job) I would have my long screwdriver at the ready for any sneaks in the future.

Anybody see 'Cops' last Saturday?? Get this, big mechanic dude working in his shop where the doors left open and a pitbull and a rotty come up on the dudes workplace. The rotty gets antsy and start intimidating the mechanic... mechanic and co-workers were yellling for them both to go away and stuff. Well, the rotty gets primal and goes nutz on the main mechanic... believe it or not, the pitbull goes home because as it turns out later, it didn't have a mean streak. Back to the rotty, the mechanic freakin wrestles with the dog ending up taking him to the ground and forcing both hands around the dogs neck and begins to squeeze, then the mechanic stabilizes by moving to the mount. The co-workers call the police and when they arrive, the police come up on scene to find a mechanic sittin on top of a rotty with both hands around the neck. Cops says, 'what up?' mechanic replies with 'I cant get off this dog or move one inch, I got him in a vice and this is as good as it gets' or something like that. Cops call animal control and they come to put that extension pole with a collar on his neck to get him in the container. That beast resists to the best of his ability and everything ends peacefully with the dog in the Animal Control container truck, mechanic with barely a scratch on him and the pitbull at home taking a leak. Owner of the two dogs were fined of course.

[Sgathak]

Pitbulls will rarely attack a human, despite so many people peeing themselvs with horror stories.

Pitdogs were bred for gameness against other dogs, but to be gentle with people. If a dog bit a human, it was killed. A pitdog that bit a human was considered almost an abomination. So, whats the problem? A) Idiots train their bulls to act tough and praise them for it B) a bull will do ANYTHING to make their "person" happy and will do ANYTHING you ask of them. IF they think you WANT for them to act tough, they will. If they think you want them to bite someone, they will. C) The news never reports when a dachshund, cocker spaniel, or golden reteriver snaps. In fact, its almost never reported. But when a pit gets nippy? Call in the national guard!. Finally, D) Though a Pit instinctivly shys away from biting people, it can happen. When it does, they are REALLY good at it. They are really strong, have a high pain threshold, and aggresivly respond to defensive actions.

There are few things you can do to defend from a dog... especially a bull/molloser. (Mastiff, Bullmastiff, Boxer, Rottweiler, Cane Corso, Fila Brasileiero, Dogo Argentino, American Bulldog, Dogue de Bordeoux, etc etc etc) Mollosers exist to defend the home and property. Their mentality and physiology tend to put them into a VERY defensable position. One Neopolitan Mastiff was recorded as recieving over 100 stab wounds while defending his home. He never even whined. He lived for another 3 years.

For most dogs, their attack will be "sneaky", unconcerted, and ineffectual. A dog chasing you down the street is just acting tough usually. Some OC/CS up the nose or an ASP baton to the nose will keep them from chasing much ever again.

[StanLee]

Interesting descriptions of a dog;s psyke.

My first story was when I was around 8 to 11 years old. My bestfriend and I used to live on the same street and we'd always go out and about together. It happened that an older (and lanky) lad took a dislike to the pair of us and would threaten us by saying that he has a knife.

But because we felt that he was a geek and wouldn't really "show" us his knife, we'd taunt him.

Now one day when we were both walking down an alleyway, we stumbled across where this guy lived (house next to the exit of the alley). He decided to set his bull terrier on us (I think that it must have been a young dog).

I got scared, threw my arms up in the air and screamed VERY loudly! Well that did the trick. The dog high-tailed back into the house, the bully-geek extreamly surprised and we never got bothered by him again.

Second story. Round the corner from where I live is a family, whom I'd call chavs, (http://members.lycos.co.uk/chavversareus/resume.html) hang out on the front of their apartment. They own this dog that seems to me, to be a walking flea circus.

Now this dog has it in for me. Whenever I walk home from work, this dog sometimes come running out barking at me. The first two times I was actually surprised by this vermin. The other night when it came out barking at me and running circles around me, I growed back at it. Didn't have the same effect as in my first story, but if it comes at me again, the next time I'm kicking it in the head.

[Ju-Jack-su]

hey stanlee

lol nice story.. I had mentioned "chavs" before and the American members didnt seem to understand what I meant. I even told them to go to the ultimate anti chav site www.chavscum.co.uk

ps. Are you into marvel comics by any chance?

[Paul B]

Oh man, that is great! I always wondered if these kind of people had a name! :laugh:

Not quite trash,kinda yuppie,fondness for "bling-bling",no sense of "tact" whatsoever....."cheers,mates"!

It does seem to be a world wide phenomenon,though! :eek:

Does anyone else have the urge to throttle these kind of people on a daily basis,or am I just particularly blessed with a large population of Chavs in my area?

[Ju-Jack-su]

Oh man, that is great! I always wondered if these kind of people had a name! :laugh:

Not quite trash,kinda yuppie,fondness for "bling-bling",no sense of "tact" whatsoever....."cheers,mates"!

It does seem to be a world wide phenomenon,though! :eek:

Does anyone else have the urge to throttle these kind of people on a daily basis,or am I just particularly blessed with a large population of Chavs in my area?

Yes I want to collect them all up in a rocket and send them to the Sun. They are quite funny though, especially the boy racer variety of chavs.. today they hooted at me for no reason in their supped up ford fiesta, that seems to be a common trait for chavs in my area, dont know about others. :)

[Paul B]

ROFLMAO!!!

Wow...around here it's the Chevy Cavalier or Ford Escort/Focus with the tinted windows and huge spoiler on the back. The driver is usually a white male with a baseball cap to the side,plenty of "bling", and a stereo system that's probably worth more than the car itself. Sound familiar??

[StanLee]

hey stanlee

lol nice story.. I had mentioned "chavs" before and the American members didnt seem to understand what I meant. I even told them to go to the ultimate anti chav site www.chavscum.co.uk

ps. Are you into marvel comics by any chance?

Chavs...

I grew up in Romford. Chav HQ / boy racer central.

That's the reason why I never go back unless I visit my parents.

I think the morals of some of the younger people today have got out of the window (Yes I know I'm only 25), but it seems to be getting worse. Too much damned sugar in the soft-drinks causing it!

Yes I am into marvel comics. Don't get the chance to read them anymore though...

But did see Spiderman 2 over the weekend. Lots of references to the marvel universe like, Dr Strange. Also the actual Stan Lee made a camio! He pulled a woman from falling debris to safety.

Sad aren't I!

[StanLee]

Oh man, that is great! I always wondered if these kind of people had a name! :laugh:

Not quite trash,kinda yuppie,fondness for "bling-bling",no sense of "tact" whatsoever....."cheers,mates"!

It does seem to be a world wide phenomenon,though! :eek:

Does anyone else have the urge to throttle these kind of people on a daily basis,or am I just particularly blessed with a large population of Chavs in my area?

I think they're worse than rednecks.

You think it's becoming a world wide thing? You've got chav infestation too?

I feel for you... :(

[Erik]

These Chavs look like typical University students in California.

Different accent, though, I'm sure.

[Cliff Hargrave]

I think they're worse than rednecks.


and Redneck is a bad thing??

[StanLee]

and Redneck is a bad thing??

I have no idea, but chavs are worse.

[Cliff Hargrave]

Good recovery there :)

[StanLee]

Thank you, I threw the spade away. :bow:

[kiLLeR_B]

If a dog attacked me, I would first try to kick it in the throat. If that didn't work, I would give it my arm to bite, then put my other arm on the other side of his head and try to break his neck by snapping it to the dogs back. Sure it may hurt my arm, but I probably wouldn't feel it because of the adrenaline rush. If that didn't work, I would try to gouge the eyes.

[Sgathak]

If a dog attacked me, I would first try to kick it in the throat. If that didn't work, I would give it my arm to bite, then put my other arm on the other side of his head and try to break his neck by snapping it to the dogs back. Sure it may hurt my arm, but I probably wouldn't feel it because of the adrenaline rush. If that didn't work, I would try to gouge the eyes.

Good luck with that. None of it would work, but yeah... good luck.

A trained dog would just say "thanks" for trying to kick it, especially ANYWHERE forward of the shoulders. Thats not only its most defended area (jaws and heavy bones), but also the area they position themselvs for... dogs dont kick, they dont punch. They bite, slam, and spin. Kick at a dog whos on the attack and all you did was give them an easy target... one which I might add leaves you unbalanced and with exposed soft spots if the dog "climbs".

Give a dog an arm and they will take it from you. While it will still be attached (most likely), it will be effectivly useless. Muscles will be lacerated, tendons torm or severed, profuse bleeding, and then you have the 50-200lbs peice of snarling flesh trying to keep the damage coming. And no, you may not feel it immediatly, but you dont have to FEEL your arm for it to be unuseable.

The myth of breaking a dogs neck is along the same lines as the old "shove the nose bone into the brain" thing. See above for the basics, and then consider that many dogs (especially bulls/mollosers) are so muscluar that it would take 2-3-4 GOOD arms to break their necks, let alone 1 good one and a bloody stump... add to the that the fact that necks generally dont break like the theory indicates, and youve got a REAL problem to consider. To break a dogs (most mammals for that matter, including humans) you generally cant break it by hyper manipulating the vertebrae, The neck was designed to withstand that trauma. You have to seperate them in a manner the neck wasnt designed for, and that means by twisting. To break a dogs neck you would have to literally twist its head off like a pepsi top.

the eye thing isnt totally bad, but you still have to get past the teeth. While your working on their eyes, they are going for your neck. Their claws are digging into your soft belly for extra purchase, and if its a bull, you better get both eyes at once and hope your buddy has a pistol handy to shoot it. Why? because if your aim to cause pain, Bulls wont care. Eyes, Ears, Tails, Skin, Muscles, Tounges... these are all regualrly damaged if not torn out completly in dog fights, even entire limbs have been known to be ripped off and the dog keep fighting (this is why Dog fights are so hideously cruel) and Bulls, as well as most mollosers were bred to ignore that stuff. Also, when these dogs cant see, they find something to get cozy with (like your neck) and latch onto it until they can see, you stop squirming, or they die. If its one of the herding breeds (German Shep, Malinois, Bouvier, Dutch Shep, Black Russians, etc) the eye thing might work except you better be The Human Flash because rather than clamp, they will feel themselvs getting hurt, disengage, then find a new softspot to play tug of war with - usually done in the span of about 2 seconds.

But, the chances of any of the above happening are relativly slim unless you hang out in the roughest parts of town (or some backwoods spots of Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Florida where dog fighting, and hog dogging -using a dog to tackle a full grown boar- are still common)... in most of the free world, your FAR more likely to get "attacked" by the neighborhood terrier... who will bark up a hideous storm then run away if you growl at him

Not trying to be rude, its just many of the fallacies of what people think they will do, and the reality of what the situation requires are RARELY the same thing. Ive worked with alot of Bulls, Mollosers, and Herders... French ring, KNPV, Schutzhund, and plain ol Personal Protection training. Ive see what they can and cant do. A dog that will actually bite a human is rare (fear nips are an exception, and will almost never happen unless the dog feels literally FORCED to bite). A dog that will purposfully try and hurt you is rarer still. A dog that will attack consistent with the mental image people have of an "attacking dog" is so rare that the average person will probably never meet one outside of seeing a K-9 cop on patrol.

[lightninrod]

I have been approached/attacked by dog(s) on numerous occasions, and I have a few pointers to offer, if I may.
First of all, never run. A dog almost always interprets this as a sign of fear. Fear is what a dog most wants to smell or percieve. If you run, not only do you encourage the dog by showing that you are scared, you also give them the opportunity to take you down by means of ankle bites or simply tackling and biting from your rear. Believe me - your rear presents no valid defense.
Second, face the dog down. Look at the dog in its eyes and show it that you are ready to kill it if need be. You can be in fear for your life, but the simple act of facing the dog will almost always make it back off or at least hesitate in its attack. Dogs like to think that they are in control. People are larger or look larger and almost all dogs will back off before attacking an apparently crazy human. I know this from experience. I have had several very large dogs run away from me after they came at me just because I spun around, looked at them in the eyes, and yelled in a really loud voice "Come on!!!"
Third, there will be the occasional dog which will press the issue beyond this point. Remember that all the dog has is its mouth. They have no other weapons. There are numerous tactics which work quite well should a dog actually attempt to bite.
Things that have worked for me include punching the dog's nose; grabbing the dog's lower jaw suddenly and folding it down under their throat, against their forward motion; sticking my fingers down their throat when my hand was already in their mouth (results in puncture wounds, but that is better than getting mauled); grabbing/yanking sideways/outwards on a front paw/leg while pivoting out of the way (certain to make them yelp in agony and run, limping, away); suddenly placing my forearms or splayed hand just behind the jaw while forcefully pushing/tackling them down against the ground with my body weight against their neck (they will lay motionless as long as you hold them there); or kneeing them in the nose when they attack my thigh area.
These are all thing which I have successfully used. The number one point is to never, ever run or back down. Then you will be certain to lose.
Hope someone finds this useful.

Justin Mears

P.S. By the way, some of this works very well on people, too. Try and you will see. For instance, grabbing someone's bottom lip and yanking down forcefully is one heck of a fight-stopper!

[JujitsuFreak]

Alright, lets settle this once and for all... is there a mail-carrier out there?

:D

[TheLucksta]

Grab it around the neck... and then ridge hand to the spine!!! Mwahhahaha!!! :up:

[jakmak52]

Joe fights dogs ;)

[J.J.Smith]

Justin Mears, mind posting how you know those things? Your points sound valid but it seems unlikely anyone would have that much experience with dogs. The other main reason I ask is because I'm wondering if those techniques worked while a dog was actually pissed or if it was just playing?

[lightninrod]

Justin Mears, mind posting how you know those things? Your points sound valid but it seems unlikely anyone would have that much experience with dogs. The other main reason I ask is because I'm wondering if those techniques worked while a dog was actually pissed or if it was just playing?
To start with, I grew up out in the country and spent alot of my time as a child "exploring". I was chased one day by a really big german shepherd, and I ran away, screaming and crying, home to my mommy. She then explained to me that I shouldn't run from a dog and that I especially shouldn't act scared. Being a child at the time, this seemed to be much too much. But as I continued to grow older, I ran across numerous dogs, and it seemed to always apply. As I grew into an adult, I became rather fearless with dogs, and managed to befriend many which I was told were "vicious" and which would supposedly bite me. Some of these were strays, some belonged to my neighbors (these were usually the fiercest). I always would try to "lower" myself so that I didn't appear threatening, and I would offer my hand for them to sniff it before I would cautiously pat them on their head and scratch their ears. Some of the biggest, scariest dogs turned out to be the most friendly and playful with me, although no one else other than their owners would approach them.
However, on several occasions, things didn't go so well. My hand got chomped on two occations. On one of them, my fingers were in the back of it's mouth, so I jabbed my hand further into it's mouth as it tried to secure its grip. My fingernails scraped against throat cartiledge and it let go. I leapt back as far as I could and kicked it across its jaw (soccer style) as it came after me again. He yelped and scampered back to his dog house.
The other time, my hand was sideways, and my thumb was in the dog's mouth (different dog), so I gripped it's jawbone with my fingers and pushed my thumbtip into the bottom of it's mouth, against my fingers. It tried to let go, but I didn't let it (remembering how the other dog had contiued to come after me), and I dove down and forward, pushing my left forearm against the side of its neck (the dog was mostly sideways to me), pinning it to the ground, while twisting it's jaw away from me and pulling it towards me at the same time. It went limp and began whimpering. I could feel it's jaw trembling in my grip. By this time, the owner (one of my neighbors) had come out of the house, and got the dog by it's leash and took it back to its yard.
On another occasion, during my days as a pizza delivery guy, a customer's dog attacked me while I was walking to my truck. It went after my front leg, so I switched sides suddenly and kneed it staight in it's nose as it went for the second leg. It ran away to the back of the house, yelping all the way. Then it just stood behind the house looking at me from around the corner.
Another time, I was out for an evening walk and I just happened to have a decent sized folding knife with me. Some idiot had put a big rottweiler in a chickenwire fence, and the dog charged the fence repeatedly until it broke. It made a beeline straight for me, so I spun around, whipped my knife open and yelled "Come on!!!" It, too, ran away yelping.
I once had another dog follow me, growling, for almost a mile, and I had to walk almost the whole way backwards. Every time I tried to turn around and walk away, it would act like it was going to charge me. It eventually went home.
So that's my experience with dogs. By guestimation, I would say that none of these dogs were smaller than 70-80lbs, and one of them (the neighbor's dog, above) was definitely bigger than this. And there are alot of others that really aren't that memorable, as they turned out to be friendly once I got them to see that I wasn't a threat. One of these occasions was especially funny. My new neighbor told me that his chows didn't like anyone, and that he was the only one who could approach them. I looked at his dogs, who were looking at me hungrily through the fence, and I bet him $20 that not only could I approach them, but I could enter the yard and pet them. I walked over to the fence, leaned over, pet the dogs, stepped over the fence, and walked around behind his house, entered his back door and came out front. He was speechless. After he gave me my twenty dollars, I informed him that I had fed his dogs some old hamburger meat the day before, and that they were my buddies now! He called me an S.O.B., but he was laughing. I kept the $20.


Justin Mears

[J.J.Smith]

Thanks.

(lol, apparently "thanks." is too short, says I must have 10 characters or more.)