tkd to hapkido

[semi c]

hi yall !!!

I've been doing tkd for about 10 years and i'm first dan.

Recently i have found myself wanting more from my martial art, sepcifically in the area of grappling and take-downs. I'm not interested in becoming a super-supreme street fighter :eek: , i just thought i'd like to train with some new people and learn some new techniques :)

Keeping with the Korean theme, i've decided to take up Hapkido.

After reading the forums here I noticed that some (or many??) are doing both tkd and hapkido. In your experience:

Is it a good combination? Do they complement one another?

Is the transition from both styles (is the learning curve small?) easy or difficult?

I plan to keep my tkd twice per week and maybe do two Hapkido lessons per week also. My first hapkido lesson is tuesday night and i'm looking forward to it. Was just curious of peoples opinions that have experience in this area.

YaY first post !!! :)

c'yas

Ryan Collon

[nosh276]

hi yall !!!

I've been doing tkd for about 10 years and i'm first dan.

Recently i have found myself wanting more from my martial art, sepcifically in the area of grappling and take-downs. I'm not interested in becoming a super-supreme street fighter :eek: , i just thought i'd like to train with some new people and learn some new techniques :)

Keeping with the Korean theme, i've decided to take up Hapkido.

After reading the forums here I noticed that some (or many??) are doing both tkd and hapkido. In your experience:

Is it a good combination? Do they complement one another?

Is the transition from both styles (is the learning curve small?) easy or difficult?

I plan to keep my tkd twice per week and maybe do two Hapkido lessons per week also. My first hapkido lesson is tuesday night and i'm looking forward to it. Was just curious of peoples opinions that have experience in this area.

YaY first post !!! :)

c'yas


I wish I could help...I had the exact longing not too long ago, but I can't afford lessons. I hope it goes well for you!

[semi c]

thanks dood!!!

yeah i have trouble with money too, that's why I ride a push bike everywhere, i can't afford a car...

chicks don't like push bikes, they like cars :(

chicks like Tae kwon do though :)

I'm lucky that I've known my Tkd instructor for so long, he does'nt care if I pay anymore (though I still try to).

[sidekick]

Ryan, I think you will really enjoy your entry into Hapkido. To me, both styles compliment each other. In fact, many think / feel that Hapkido was a major contributor element to the founding of TKD. The new sport aspect of TKD has gone away from what the original "old School" TKD was about. Our self defense training was all Hapkido.

Mike Dunn :bow:

[DragonMind]

hi yall !!!

I've been doing tkd for about 10 years and i'm first dan.

Recently i have found myself wanting more from my martial art, sepcifically in the area of grappling and take-downs. I'm not interested in becoming a super-supreme street fighter :eek: , i just thought i'd like to train with some new people and learn some new techniques :)

Keeping with the Korean theme, i've decided to take up Hapkido.

After reading the forums here I noticed that some (or many??) are doing both tkd and hapkido. In your experience:

Is it a good combination? Do they complement one another?

Is the transition from both styles (is the learning curve small?) easy or difficult?

I plan to keep my tkd twice per week and maybe do two Hapkido lessons per week also. My first hapkido lesson is tuesday night and i'm looking forward to it. Was just curious of peoples opinions that have experience in this area.

YaY first post !!! :)

c'yas

Ryan Collon

Would that be at Master Geoff Booth's school? Say hello for me if it is.

[semi c]

Thanks Mike, that was interesting. From what you said, Hapkido sounds like the MA for me!

Barry, I don't think it is one of Master Geoff Booth's schools. Though I think there may be one of his on the Coast somewhere.

I just looked up a dojo in the yellow pages and found this one: http://www.hapkidoia.com/

Master Jong Hyuk Kim

dunno if he's any good... guess I'll see on Tuesday night

c'yas

[DragonMind]

Thanks Mike, that was interesting. From what you said, Hapkido sounds like the MA for me!

Barry, I don't think it is one of Master Geoff Booth's schools. Though I think there may be one of his on the Coast somewhere.

I just looked up a dojo in the yellow pages and found this one: http://www.hapkidoia.com/

Master Jong Hyuk Kim

dunno if he's any good... guess I'll see on Tuesday night

c'yas
Don't know Master Kim. Here are Master Booth's dojos. http://hapkido.netro.com.au/Main_files/page0002.htm If things don't work out, check with him. Geoff is most definitely one of the top hapkidoin going today. He is a student of GM Ji, Han Jae.

[howard]

Recently i have found myself wanting more from my martial art, sepcifically in the area of grappling and take-downs. I'm not interested in becoming a super-supreme street fighter :eek: , i just thought i'd like to train with some new people and learn some new techniques :)

Keeping with the Korean theme, i've decided to take up Hapkido.

After reading the forums here I noticed that some (or many??) are doing both tkd and hapkido. In your experience:

Is it a good combination? Do they complement one another?

Is the transition from both styles (is the learning curve small?) easy or difficult?
hi ryan, i trained in one of the kwans that joined to create tkd (ji do kwan) for about 5 years. for the last 2 or so, i was also training in an old form of hapkido. i eventually left ji do kwan altogether, because i was primarily interested in self defense training, which is much more prominent in hapkido.

my own experience is that the 2 arts are very different, especially since the style of hapkido i practice uses relatively little kicking, and its kicks are almost all low. hapkido is much more circular, much more spontaneous, and (imo) more complex and difficult to get good at. the footwork and stances (to the extent that stances are even used) are very different.

you can certainly do it, but it will probably take a lot of concentration and focus on your part to keep the arts "separate", if that's the right word.

just one more thought... as for "grappling", that's a broad term, but the traditional styles of hapkido don't really emphasize that, if what you have in mind is anything along the lines of brazilian jujutsu. for example, our view of groundfighting is that if you go to the ground, get yourself in a position to defend from there until you can get back on your feet safely. we would never intentionally take a fight to the ground, like they do in bjj.

hope this helps some...

[semi c]

:D Thanks Barry, I'll check him out as well then, hopefully his class will be closer to where I live than the others (I sent him an email).


more complex and difficult to get good at that's one of the reasons why I'm interested in Hapkido! :)


you can certainly do it, but it will probably take a lot of concentration and focus on your part to keep the arts "separate"Yeah, I was already considering concentrating on one rather than doing both. When I was doing Shotokan Karate, I had difficulty keeping it separate from my Tae kwon do - Often I'd be doing Shotokan movements in Tae kwon do and vice versa!

Anyway, I'll try both to begin with... But if i do have problems than I'll change to Hapkido only. Hapkido sounds like it has more of what I'm looking for in a MA - something more complete and complicated - although I won't be certain until I actually try it.

As for grappling I was just referring to (I probably misused the term) something more than just the basic wrist locks and takedowns that I've been taught in Tae kwon do without going as far as BJJ or wrestling (which from your response it appears that Hapkido does not).

Do you have to be black in Hapkido before you do weapons?

I'd be interested in giving that a go :D

thanks for the replies and c'yas latter!!

[Todd]

we would never intentionally take a fight to the ground, like they do in bjj.

This is not totally true Howard. In the more advanced levels of Hapkido there are a number of techniques that go to the ground or start from seated or prone positions. I think a better way to say it is we would never go to the ground when there are multiple attackers.

Take care

Todd Miller
Korea Jungki Hapkido & Guhapdo Association

www.millersmudo.com

[DragonMind]

we would never intentionally take a fight to the ground, like they do in bjj.

This is not totally true Howard. In the more advanced levels of Hapkido there are a number of techniques that go to the ground or start from seated or prone positions. I think a better way to say it is we would never go to the ground when there are multiple attackers.

Take care

Todd Miller
Korea Jungki Hapkido & Guhapdo Association

www.millersmudo.com
Not to pick a nit, but it might be more accurate to say we don't plan to STAY on the ground as much as BJJ does. I may go to the ground with multiple attackers, but it is generally as a transition move to something else, e.g. low leg sweep.

[howard]

we would never intentionally take a fight to the ground, like they do in bjj.

This is not totally true Howard. In the more advanced levels of Hapkido there are a number of techniques that go to the ground or start from seated or prone positions. I think a better way to say it is we would never go to the ground when there are multiple attackers.

Take care

Todd Miller
Korea Jungki Hapkido & Guhapdo Association

www.millersmudo.com
todd, i'll rephrase my comment... i personally would never take a fight to the ground if i could avoid it. just a matter of personal preference.

as for the seated and prone techniques, yes indeed, fair points. i guess i was thinking more of bjj-type guard / mount ground fighting in my comments...

regards, howard

[Todd]

as for the seated and prone techniques, yes indeed, fair points. i guess i was thinking more of bjj-type guard / mount ground fighting in my comments...

I think the big difference is that Hapkido is a self defense art with no rules and BJJ is a sport with rules. Big difference!

My only point is that Hapkido is a very complete art with techniques that deal with every kind of attack and position.

I will be down in Clifton tommorow at Master Mike's Iron Eagle dojang.

Take care

Todd Miller

Korea Jungki Hapkido & Guhapdo Association

www.millersmudo.com

[howard]

I think the big difference is that Hapkido is a self defense art with no rules and BJJ is a sport with rules. Big difference!

My only point is that Hapkido is a very complete art with techniques that deal with every kind of attack and position.

I will be down in Clifton tommorow at Master Mike's Iron Eagle dojang.

Take care

Todd Miller

Korea Jungki Hapkido & Guhapdo Association

www.millersmudo.com
todd, now we're definitely in full agreement!

guess i'll see you tomorrow morning... have a safe trip.

[Michael Tomlinson]

One reason in Hapkido to go to the ground is when you are in military combat and going to the ground keeps you from getting shot by other members of your combatants group. GM West explained to me that during the Vietnam war the Koreans he trained with told him that one good reason to do Hapkido techniques all the way through to the ground was to create a low profile and not become a target for some Viet Cong...there is nothing wrong with going to the ground and there is nothing wrong with not going to the ground, it depends on your circumstance at the time
Michael Tomlinson