Kyokushin?

[nythius]

Hi guys, recently i've become interested in kyokushin karate and I'm wondering if there are any practitioners here who can give me a first hand account of what it's like.

[Good advisor]

Kyukushin is very good after mas oyams discoverd it from thailand and developd it, I got the book that tells all the good, the bad, and the ugly.

It has alot of high kicks and ko moves.

[Luebbers]

Kyokushin is bad ***. It's basically full contact kickboxing, and it's some rough stuff. Get ready for some bruises.

[Spartan]

Kyukushin is very good after mas oyams discoverd it from thailand and developd it, I got the book that tells all the good, the bad, and the ugly.

It has alot of high kicks and ko moves.

Sorry, your info is incorrect.

http://www.kyokushinmail.com/koya/Kyokushin.htm

[Jeff Burger]

I noticed when they showed the lineage and the break down they left out Hideyuki Ashihara.
Asihara studied under Oyama. He should be above Jigoro Ninomya.
Asihara said he left Kyokushin, Kyokushin said they kicked him out.

I did Kyokushin and it was really the start of my kick boxing.

Full contact no gloves, but no hand strikes to the head.

Jeff

[Good advisor]

My Info is correct, Mas oyam was found in Thaialnd when his exponents were defeated becuse karate was so weak compare to muay thai so he up his game, so why does kyukushin have a shin kick, high kick knee strikes? what you think, I don't belive in those okinawan stuff all those info I've looked before. the history was all his student were pummel by the Muay thai so he did lernt theri moves thats what bruce lee does. And this information like this i.e. goju = okinawan = karate = mas oyamas thats not true. i belive in my view and you belive in yours but I know mas oyama is very poweful man.

[Webmaster]

My Info is correct,... <<snip>>

i belive in my view and you belive in yours but I know mas oyama is very poweful man.
Believing in something does not make it factually correct. Then again, you probably believe in little green men too? Oh, I noticed the avatar... never mind!

Anyway, I expect that you can cite a reference for your belief? I noted in http://www.budoseek.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=7393 you were asked by our Vice Dictator to do so, and now I expect you to do so. Just tell me what book or website and it's page or URL. That will be sufficient.

[ilbumy]

I agree, Mas Oyama was one of the most powerful men during his time. Respected by many full contact and no holds bar fighters. One of his close friends was a wrestler, a prisoner from Russia. Read pieces of his autobiography, talking about Mas Oyama's great power. He's why I want a powerful knife hand strike. Took off bull horns with it.

http://www.musashi.nl/gif/oyamahistoria4.jpg

More pics here http://www.musashi.nl/foto_sosaiframe.htm

[Spartan]

Correct me if I am wrong. Don't you have this in rodeo shows? :D Those are not bulls. Oyama was playing with yearlings.

The fuss about him shearing horns off bulls. Well, as it turned out he couldn't do it at first. But then he learnt from farmers that cows often broke their horns accidently if they got stuck and tried to pull their heads back. Basically horns broken quite easily if strike from behind. (Lucky for him, neither PETA nor ASPCA was not around when he pulled the stunt)

Now, there is no question that Oyama was an accomplished God of Karate. His achievement is unquestioned, eventhough he also had the mouth, ego and showmanship to match it.

(p.s. I wonder how long it's gonna be before some wiseass mentions that he has a dozen students better than Oyama. :rolleyes: ) :laugh:

[Good advisor]

Well, I belive and know that the karate Eponents from Japan are not as they seem they foughted the Thais and they lost the fight so they creste kickboxing and theres a kyukushin karate which is some similar so he must of know it from somewhere some how.

Kyukushin use knees for example.
The Thai people didn't develop their art such as the Japanese does.
When the officer in Thai went to war such as loas, ayuttaya,phan lum pu etc didn't told the soldirs to do muay thai they develop it themself that way like for example teep is a push kick so when they are battleing they push some guys out yeah and chooped them off afterwards. Commen senses.

I know its karate but unsure about the kyukushin guys.
I have to say mas oyama is probbaly the strongest martial artist ever lives.

All the japanese humiliate us since ages handicapped are Muay Thai boxers also even Nong parinya the beutiful boxer, the japanes are no way to trust these days so I belive in what I say.
I didn't read any books but all the okinawans things are not what it seems.
I have no probelms it what I belive but I am not saying that the info I herd from people are right or wrong.
Yours in martial arts.

[mymerrytale]

much respect to that style... i've heard it called 'hard karate,' and they call it that for a reason. most won't train with punches to the face... but they are among the best to focus on being 'technicians' with their art in my experience.
most i've seen (all i've seen actually) are very rigid about discipline and order in the dojo, so be prepared to be quite humble and accomodating, if you've trained other styles before. it'll be wroth it. and, uh, it stops hurting after about a month, so keep training : )

regards,
--roman palitsky

[tarynkrista]

i study kyokushin and i really enjoy it.
kyokushin is supposed to be full contact, as hard as you can go, when it comes to sparring (and for that matter, all your techniques). like with any martial art, i assume classes will vary depending on the sensai. if you're looking for lots of information on the style www.kyokushincanada.com is a good place to start..

and yeah, lots of bruises.

[pretzl]

I'd highly recommend it. I've done different arts for 15+ yrs...and feel I have a fairly good open perspective.

I was doing mostly BJJ..realized I was neglecting formal standup...so visited a whole range of schools...from WC, Shotokon, Boxing ect.....I choose Kyokushin..thought it was very street applicable.

Course make sure its a good Instructor...I like mine..he's realistic.

[Sasho]

hi guys,

does anyone know if there is some kyokushin around portsmouth area, NH. I can not find any info on the web.

thanx.

Alex.

[TonyU]

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You can set it up as a signature in the UserCP, so yo don't have to type it in every time.

[Erik]

I think (not really sure) that this style of karate has the same rules as Full Contact kickboxing. Can't hit the face but I think the rest of the usual kickboxing targets are legal. I'm not positive on this, though.

I did some MMA with an old roommate of mine who was a SEAL in Norway (their version of a SEAL - Marinejaeger) and Norway's national champion in this style.

He hit hard and fast and had no problems kicking to my head though I noticed a lack of jabs to the nose and crosses to the chin (thankfully, given how he could lay it on!)

I'll tell you this - after just a few hits I was very motivated to get him to the ground as fast as I could. I really did not enjoy eating his strikes.

Many other karate guys against whom I have worked were not like this as they did not hit as hard. It seemed to me (not saying this is universally true, mind you) that they had trained to get in a clean, pretty hit, as in point sparring, whereas the kokushinko guys hit to hurt.

Those cows were cute, by the way. :D

[Ronin81]

I've had some experience with kyokushin-kai karate, mainly some sparring and training methodology. I think it has much to offer, but no much more than any other set of concepts depending on the time and effort you give to them.

As for Mas Oyama, he didn't get the nickname the "God-hand" for nothing (enough double negatives?) But let us remember that he made sure everyone new it also. Many people, when they find out I do MA ask me who's greatest? Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Segal? I always answer with the same thing - "I don't know, and we'll probably never know. The greatest is probably some old fisherman by now who never had to use his skills, but practiced them day in and day out, for the right reasons, almost to perfection, and would probably be able to annihilate anyone that puts on a public persona." I'm sure many people would say Mas Oyama is "the greatest" (as I'm sure this number goes up in correlation with the practitioners of kyokushin kai, funny how that is) because they want to rest on his laurels, but a lot of people don't like him also.

Yes, much can be said about kyokushin's full contact karate. Much can also be said, however, about no punches to the face, and their record in K-1 isn't extremely great...so then what? The point is the concepts are good - hit hard, persevere, etc. but isn't that in most all martial arts when self defense is on the line?

So...do what you like, learn what you like, but understand what you do, and why you do it....