Vehemence
10-31-2004, 03:04
Ok, I get to make my first thread that will make me sound really uneducated and 'newbie'esque and all the rest of that good stuff : D
sorry if this is in the wrong section, i wasnt sure if it would be general 'martial arts training' or 'health and fitness'
Also I see that there are other 'conditioning' threads but I have some questions that aren't addressed in them so I hope this isn't a problem.
__ For a conditioning tool, does 'shape' matter?
also, does the material matter?
is 'hard' hard, and thats all you need? or is it better to use something with a soft finish or a little give to it, or less weight to it.
is something round like a bottle is any better for conditioning than the likes of a flat board (or flat bottle...)?
I mean, basically, would something with less surface area fracture the bone deeper or hit more accurately to make sure the entire bone is strengthened?
__ I already do 'tapping'. Is the 'rolling' people talk about also important too? Is that more for the skin or nerves than the bone?
__ my lower shin is weaker (or at least more sensitive) than my upper shin... obviously what I can hit harder without pain I will hit harder in training... will this end up a disadvantage if i don't
a. push through the pain to keep the lower as 'dead/strong' as the upper or
b. slow down work on the upper to the pace with my lower shins slow progress?
I'm just worried if it would create a weaker point making a break more likely than if i did no conditioning at all.
__ I have also read a random file taken from a forum like this, describing knuckle conditioning. Aside from tapping, they suggest knuckle push-ups on the concrete to push the tendons out of the way so they wont be damaged from punching and also to toughen the skin, so I do all of that suggested.
My questions...
firstly, Is any of that wrong? I know the skin feels tougher, it doesnt even bother me anymore as it did when i started, and i thought they were already tough as im well passed that first stage when in between the knuckles bleed from bare first on the punching bag. but what about that tendon idea? is that accurate?
secondly. I hit with a board doing both my 2 punching knuckles, then the other 2. I know those 2 shouldn't make contact in a good punch but still it seems as important.
Should I be just hitting directly as I punch or hitting the entire surface area of the knuckle from various angles to strengthen the lot for backhand techniques and whatnot... or does it not make a difference.
__ my inner forearms, are they neccesary to condition?
I know there's no parry or block that uses it but if you strengthen the opposite bone, isn't it just wise to do the other?
My question about the importance is just because it feels like it is doing more harm than the good it would do, i get bruising and feel llke I'm directly hitting nerves or veins or... something that sure as hell makes my arm flinch.
__ what about facial conditioning?
a. will this lead to disfigurement
b. when bone strengthens does it get bigger or just more dense?
I was always easily dazed in my younger teen years so just jabbing at the cheeks and jaw have just, well stopped me being rattled I suppose, I would guess that's more psychological than physical. but my nose has always been like a weakness, a good thump on the nose and my eyes well up or i feel nausious, whatever, and i've began board tapping on my nose, on the front face, and tapping at the sides, will this help at all reduce the risk of a broken nose over the years of conditioning? (I mean I know these must be stupid questions... all bone is the same right?)
__ that all aside, I also do 'muscle conditioning' if it can be considered that...
you can't deaden nerves or anything right? isn't it purely the tone and strength of the muscle itself that makes you more able to withstand a beating without pain or bruising?
is there any value in this aside from easing any psychological hesitance to being hit?
does it damage the muscle and rebuild stronger or more toned? or at least damage the muscles and use up calories to rebuild as good as before?
I do delts, pecs, the whole ab/solar plexus region, and thighs, usually just with fists. is there anywhere else of importance to do? or any better tool to use? bone to muscle is good right?
__ lastly, is there anything in my attempts at 'toughening' the body that is ridiculous, wrong, or anything important I am overlooking?
cheers for any insight you guys have.
-Tyler Davis
sorry if this is in the wrong section, i wasnt sure if it would be general 'martial arts training' or 'health and fitness'
Also I see that there are other 'conditioning' threads but I have some questions that aren't addressed in them so I hope this isn't a problem.
__ For a conditioning tool, does 'shape' matter?
also, does the material matter?
is 'hard' hard, and thats all you need? or is it better to use something with a soft finish or a little give to it, or less weight to it.
is something round like a bottle is any better for conditioning than the likes of a flat board (or flat bottle...)?
I mean, basically, would something with less surface area fracture the bone deeper or hit more accurately to make sure the entire bone is strengthened?
__ I already do 'tapping'. Is the 'rolling' people talk about also important too? Is that more for the skin or nerves than the bone?
__ my lower shin is weaker (or at least more sensitive) than my upper shin... obviously what I can hit harder without pain I will hit harder in training... will this end up a disadvantage if i don't
a. push through the pain to keep the lower as 'dead/strong' as the upper or
b. slow down work on the upper to the pace with my lower shins slow progress?
I'm just worried if it would create a weaker point making a break more likely than if i did no conditioning at all.
__ I have also read a random file taken from a forum like this, describing knuckle conditioning. Aside from tapping, they suggest knuckle push-ups on the concrete to push the tendons out of the way so they wont be damaged from punching and also to toughen the skin, so I do all of that suggested.
My questions...
firstly, Is any of that wrong? I know the skin feels tougher, it doesnt even bother me anymore as it did when i started, and i thought they were already tough as im well passed that first stage when in between the knuckles bleed from bare first on the punching bag. but what about that tendon idea? is that accurate?
secondly. I hit with a board doing both my 2 punching knuckles, then the other 2. I know those 2 shouldn't make contact in a good punch but still it seems as important.
Should I be just hitting directly as I punch or hitting the entire surface area of the knuckle from various angles to strengthen the lot for backhand techniques and whatnot... or does it not make a difference.
__ my inner forearms, are they neccesary to condition?
I know there's no parry or block that uses it but if you strengthen the opposite bone, isn't it just wise to do the other?
My question about the importance is just because it feels like it is doing more harm than the good it would do, i get bruising and feel llke I'm directly hitting nerves or veins or... something that sure as hell makes my arm flinch.
__ what about facial conditioning?
a. will this lead to disfigurement
b. when bone strengthens does it get bigger or just more dense?
I was always easily dazed in my younger teen years so just jabbing at the cheeks and jaw have just, well stopped me being rattled I suppose, I would guess that's more psychological than physical. but my nose has always been like a weakness, a good thump on the nose and my eyes well up or i feel nausious, whatever, and i've began board tapping on my nose, on the front face, and tapping at the sides, will this help at all reduce the risk of a broken nose over the years of conditioning? (I mean I know these must be stupid questions... all bone is the same right?)
__ that all aside, I also do 'muscle conditioning' if it can be considered that...
you can't deaden nerves or anything right? isn't it purely the tone and strength of the muscle itself that makes you more able to withstand a beating without pain or bruising?
is there any value in this aside from easing any psychological hesitance to being hit?
does it damage the muscle and rebuild stronger or more toned? or at least damage the muscles and use up calories to rebuild as good as before?
I do delts, pecs, the whole ab/solar plexus region, and thighs, usually just with fists. is there anywhere else of importance to do? or any better tool to use? bone to muscle is good right?
__ lastly, is there anything in my attempts at 'toughening' the body that is ridiculous, wrong, or anything important I am overlooking?
cheers for any insight you guys have.
-Tyler Davis