Distance education (ICHF)

[Todd Worobey]

I was wondering if anyone out there has had sucess with distance education? I am greatly interested in the Combat Hapkido distance program, possibly studying ICHF style as well as tradional Hapkido at a local Dojang. I would have to travel for testing but I think I may be up to the challenge.
Any thoughts /experiences?

[John Bennett]

Your money and time would be better spent elsewhere.

Are there no training places where you live?

[Todd Worobey]

Yes, there are at least two Dojangs nearby, I'll be attending some classes to check them out. I was considering taking the distance courses as well as training locally /traditionally. One Dojang seems to be the size of a shoebox & the other I haven't seen yet.

[kodanjaclay]

Todd,

ICHF Hapkido is not Hapkido. It is closer to Hoshinsul or maybe CQC. If you want Hapkido then seek out a true Hapkido school.

Case in point. My Hapkido Kwanjangnim was at event where Pelligrini was a 2nd Dan. I'm thinking he was an Yuk Dan at the time. Today, and not much later, My Kwanjangnim is an 8th Dan and now JP is a 9th Dan. When you look at the minimal standards from both Kido and KHF, it becomes readily apparent that someone skipped some time.

I also saw an ICHF tape. To be honest, the material I saw I would fail a yugupja for performing on a test.

[John Bennett]

I don't know your level of experience Todd, but it's best to wait until you've had about 200 hours of instructional mat time before venturing into the land of CQB videos.

This gives a person the experience necessary to discern the wheat from the chaff.

[Todd Worobey]

Thanks everyone, I'll hold off the visa card for awhile. I am an absolute newbie to Hapkido & in no hurry to learn it all. I do want to learn it right though. :bow:
If ICHF is not Hapkido why do they claim to be so? Their website is full of such claims.

[Todd Worobey]

[QUOTE=kodanjaclay]Todd,

"If you want Hapkido then seek out a true Hapkido school."

Can you then point me in the right direction? Every Hapkido site I've come across seems to indicate they are "true" Hapkido. Define true please. :confused: Is this the norm within Hapkido? One advocate of a particular style claims their form the only true one & all others cheap imitations? Not the attitude I'm interested in learning from if that is the case. :anger:

[kodanjaclay]

Todd,

Let me say this. avoid politics. True Hapkido is an art which transcends politics. True there are people who will push their specific agenda, but in the end good Hapkido is good Hapkido. And organization is not important, contrary to what many would have you believe.

I would be honored to help you. Contact me at frankclay@indy.rr.com and we'll talk from there.

I will also tell you this, if there is something else there, and no apparently good Hapkido, then I will recommend something else. So before you write me, think about what you want to achieve. Could be you are barking up the wrong tree entirely.

[Todd Worobey]

Master Clay;
I thank you for your response, I'll be sure to take you up on your offer & write to you once I visit the Dojangs. This experience has thusfar made me reflect on what I want to achieve through the study of martial arts, whatever form I choose. My first experiences in martial arts were not that positive. I met many people who kept using words like "Warriors", & it put me off completely.
Aikido changed all that, I deeply admire the way Aikidoka approach conflict & I am having a feeling that may be my true path. I am looking for a martial way that I can study for the rest of my life, as such, what happens off the mat is just as important to me as on. I have always been attracted to Hapkido because it seemed such a well rounded martial art. Tremendously practical (especially in my line of work), and challenging to learn. Politics always leaves a bitter taste however. I will visit these Dojangs & consider all my options seriously. I thank you again for all your input. Wish me luck :bow:.
-Todd worobey.

[ELBOHEMIO]

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[kodanjaclay]

David,

I agreed with you up til the end. No one can teach another all facets of a street fight. A street fight is virtually a living breathing entity that is different each time it happens. Though they may be similar, they are not exactly alike.

Never forget this... and my words come from experience.

Todd,

I do wish you luck. Whatever you find, make sure it teaches various ranges. It is better to master one technique that you can readily use than to learn a bunch that you cannot.

[Todd Worobey]

Agreed. Martial arts is a learned skill, and at best improves your chance of winning a violent conflict 10-20% tops. Attitude of you & your apponent are of great importance. If you cannot generalize your skills into real world situations then they are of little use. I have "delt" with several opponents in real world conflicts over the years who had much more martial art training but were unable to adapt it against a determined opponent (me). ***Disclaimer:Please note all of these conflicts were with complete Jacka$$e$ who earned their thrashings & were being complete ba$tard$ against friends &/or complete strangers who were in need of help :up: ***
I want to learn one style & learn it well, maybe thats why I'm being so picky before I truely commit. I thought the additional study of the ICHF style would be complimentary to the traditional Hapkido & very practical for me as well

[ELBOHEMIO]

Thanks,

1st I'm a Traditional and Non Traditional Hapkido Student. I'm studying with my teacher both styles in my area in Puerto Rico and that's is because we understand that somes aspects in the traditional way is not the best way to fight in the street. Remember that old traditional forms made for that time in "X" place, it can be Korea for example. My old Hapkido Teacher (my teacher, Master) he was a Army Ranger who learn hapkido in korea. So when he came back to PR he open his Dojang and then he met Pellegrini and join his Fed.

In my school we was part of Pellegrini Federation but now we star a new step with GM Michael De Alba in the Modern Farang Mu Sul. I got to say that the system is more complete that CH also it is the Huk Ju Sool hapkido system and it is a Modern Version of Korean martial arts.

Second, I put the information of the Huk Ju Sool System because in my experience it is most effective than Combat Hapkido. Also Master Pedro Rodriguez was Pellegrini Vice President so is there's someone who knows the good and bad things of Combat hapkido it is Master Rodriguez but with his experience in Hapkido ( Huk Ju Kwan and Combat) and others system he found Huk Ju Sool and CQDT.

I'm not saying that is the best system in the world. I'm Just saying that it is a Good Options for people that wants to learn some others new concepts into their experiences.

3rd, I'm still a ICHF member and I'm Croos Traing with others Arts. So you can see I'm trying to be a open mind and understand that no one can teach you all the aspects of street fight, but I train to get out of the situation alive.


:bow:

[ELBOHEMIO]

Sorry for my errors but my english grammar is not to good.

Mr. Frank Clay

Can you tell that in your Hwa Rang World Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan you practice they teach you Joint locks, Grappling etc?. I want to know because I see others Tang Soo Do Styles and they are just Kick, punches and strikes and I'm intresting to buy a couple of videos. Thanks

[Todd Worobey]

Gracias David, Pura Vida /Mucho Gusto! :bow:

[ELBOHEMIO]

Thanks Todd.

Check this link so maybe you can find a traditional hapkido school in your area.

www.hapkido-info.net

Mucho Gusto

:bow:

[DragonMind]

So when he came back to PR he open his Dojang and then he met Pellegrini and join his Fed.

Just a side note. I know another instructor in PR that you should meet if you don't know him already. His name is Rico Cortez. He is a student of Tuhon Ray Dionaldo in Sayoc Kali. Rico also has a 6th Dan in Aikijujutsu. I've never met anyone better with a knife than Ray and Rico is one of his top students. Rico has no ego about styles and loves to train with everyone. He's also a great teacher and his seminars are loads of fun (and sweat).

[ELBOHEMIO]

Hello Mr. McConnell

Mr. Hernan " Rico" Torres he is teaching FCS Kali in the Young Soo Do TKD academy in Rio Piedras, PR. My Jujitsu Instructor and a friend of mine told me the same thing about Rico and Ray. I'm waiting for their next seminar to train with them. :bow:

[DragonMind]

Hello Mr. McConnell

Mr. Hernan " Rico" Torres he is teaching FCS Kali in the Young Soo Do TKD academy in Rio Piedras, PR. My Jujitsu Instructor and a friend of mine told me the same thing about Rico and Ray. I'm waiting for their next seminar to train with them. :bow:
Thank you for the correct spelling on his last name. I always thought he was saying Cortez...my bad.

Maybe your instructor or you could invite him over to do a seminar instead of waiting? Last one I went to (about 3 weeks ago) he charged $25/head for a half-day (4 hours) and we had maybe a dozen people.

[ELBOHEMIO]

Excuse me, Please Apologize me, his last name is Cortez.

Rico start a new FCS program for Law Enforcement it Calls FCS Tactical.

This is the webpage for the PR FCS Brotherhood.

http://www.geocities.com/prfcskali/


:bow:

[DragonMind]

Excuse me, Please Apologize me, his last name is Cortez.

Rico start a new FCS program for Law Enforcement it Calls FCS Tactical.

This is the webpage for the PR FCS Brotherhood.

http://www.geocities.com/prfcskali/


:bow:
At my age, I can easily believe my hearing has gone... :laugh:

I did what I should have and went to Ray's site and looked him up. His last name is spelled Cortes on the site. No matter what we call him, he is a great guy.

[ELBOHEMIO]

jejeje, I don't know what I was thinking when I said Torres. Anyway I agree with you about Rico.

Mr. McConnell what's style did you practice?

I saw in the picture you with a cane. You know that's the only weapon you can bring to a airplane or a airport. :cool:

[DragonMind]

jejeje, I don't know what I was thinking when I said Torres. Anyway I agree with you about Rico.

Mr. McConnell what's style did you practice?

I saw in the picture you with a cane. You know that's the only weapon you can bring to a airplane or a airport. :cool:
About 30 years of hapkido (which uses the cane) and the past four in Shaolin kenpo and arnis. Mark Shuey is a friend and that is a CaneMasters (http://www.canemasters.com) cane in the pic.

[Live Hand Man]

Mr Clay, What are the minimal standards that you are talking about in the KHF? If you want to discuss minimal standards I can personnally discuss the IHF minimal standards. I've seen a third Dan in a little over 3 years.

[kodanjaclay]

Lester,

I do not know of any three year third dans. The KHF and Kido have standards in what they wish to see. If your sabum is a graduate of the KHF instructor's camp, you should ask him.

Different Kwans tend to do the same techniques, but in different orders. That is why the KHF and Kido both ask for categories of technique. But, the minimal standard I was referring to in this thread was a performance standard. The techniques I saw on the ICHF tape were poorly executed in my opinion.

[DragonMind]

Mr Clay, What are the minimal standards that you are talking about in the KHF? If you want to discuss minimal standards I can personnally discuss the IHF minimal standards. I've seen a third Dan in a little over 3 years.
I'm curious; are we talking white belt to 3rd dan in 3 years?

[American HKD]

Mr Clay, What are the minimal standards that you are talking about in the KHF? If you want to discuss minimal standards I can personnally discuss the IHF minimal standards. I've seen a third Dan in a little over 3 years.


Mr Cooks

please explain your minimum standards from the IHF

[Live Hand Man]

Thank you for clarifying that Mr. Clay. My Kwangjangnim is a 7th Dan and has been for a while ,so he has not been to the Instructors camp in a long time. I do know that he received his 6 Dan from the IHF Nam, Myong Jae. He belongs to both KHF's in Korea now. His name is Kim, Myong Jae.
Mr. Rosenberg, I was not talking about your IHF. If you want more details email me at ndnz@yahoo.com. White belt to 3rd Dan is what I'm talking about when I say three years. It is not a common thing, but I have seen some shady dealings in certain organizations first hand.
My instructor showed me his minimum requirements for each belt before I left Korea. As far as I know they were as good or better than the KHF. I did not have any problems when I tested in Korea for my 2nd Dan. When I came to his school, I was a 1st Dan in the IHF. After I showed him my techniques, he said I would be a red belt in his school. One step down from 1st Dan in his school. He let me keep my 1st Dan, and for the next year I trained directly under him 4 to 5 days a week. Me and my training partner were the only Americans in the class.
My counterpart in lives in Maryland now and has visited some schools out there. He says the training is different from the training that we received in Korea. In some schools, the training is a little different than in Korea. I guess we have to many lawsuits in America. I remember messing up a kick so bad in Korea, that Kwangjangnim made me do it straight for 200 times while he watched and yelled. To this day, I can still do that kick perfectly! When we did not do a technique right after he had shown us a few times, he made it hurt just a little so we could get our mind right. All our this was in love, so he says in his broken english. Can't abuse people here in America, you'll end up being sued. I did'nt think it was abuse but some people might.
I have taken a two year break from training. I had to finish my degree. The Air Force is training me for a new job. I will pick hapkido training back up this comming year. Anybody know of any schools in Abilene Texas area? Don't really care about the organization since all of my future promotions will be done in Korea. Just want a good school. Happy Thanksgiving!

[Karronte]

Thanks,

1st I'm a Traditional and Non Traditional Hapkido Student. I'm studying with my teacher both styles in my area in Puerto Rico and that's is because we understand that somes aspects in the traditional way is not the best way to fight in the street. Remember that old traditional forms made for that time in "X" place, it can be Korea for example. My old Hapkido Teacher (my teacher, Master) he was a Army Ranger who learn hapkido in korea. So when he came back to PR he open his Dojang and then he met Pellegrini and join his Fed.

In my school we was part of Pellegrini Federation but now we star a new step with GM Michael De Alba in the Modern Farang Mu Sul. I got to say that the system is more complete that CH also it is the Huk Ju Sool hapkido system and it is a Modern Version of Korean martial arts.

Second, I put the information of the Huk Ju Sool System because in my experience it is most effective than Combat Hapkido. Also Master Pedro Rodriguez was Pellegrini Vice President so is there's someone who knows the good and bad things of Combat hapkido it is Master Rodriguez but with his experience in Hapkido ( Huk Ju Kwan and Combat) and others system he found Huk Ju Sool and CQDT.

I'm not saying that is the best system in the world. I'm Just saying that it is a Good Options for people that wants to learn some others new concepts into their experiences.

3rd, I'm still a ICHF member and I'm Croos Traing with others Arts. So you can see I'm trying to be a open mind and understand that no one can teach you all the aspects of street fight, but I train to get out of the situation alive.


:bow:

Greetings Friend from PR I was wondering who is your Hapkido teacher in PR?

I’m also from PR and have been doing Hapkido for the past 15 years and have not ever heard of a Retired snake eater teaching Hapkido in PR. I know Pedro and Talk often to him and know most of the Huk Ju sul and Combat Hapkido Instructors in PR since they were at one point my peers or students and 3 of them at one point or another my seniors in the WHF under Master Wilfredo Sellas (Garray, Pino, Trujillo) They were the original CHF instructors, I actually met John P. when he came to Master Sellas School and offer him an 8th Degree Black belt or something of that nature; I might be missing a few names from that original CHF group because is been more that 10 years and I don’t recall there names. Still I don’t recall any of them been a Ranger, just wondering?

By the way when you say that you train traditional and Modern Hapkido at your school what traditional stile your instructor is teaching because Huk Ju Sul nor CHF is Traditional, one spawns from the other with minor modifications made by Pedro to improve on what John P. did after he left the WHF but both styles are far from been traditional they are more like eclectic systems combining multiple arts under a Hapkido banner been that Hapkido is recognized by both man as a superior art.

Any way nice to meet you hope you reply soon…!!! :karate:

[moksha]

Live Hand Man,

Which IHF did you study under? Did you study under Grandmaster Jang Young-Shil? I believe Master Allen was telling me about you training in Korea at our Headquarters. I am a student of Master Allen's. Just wondering if your the same person Master Allen was telling me about. If not then please dis-regard this post. Thank You.

[ELBOHEMIO]

Saludos, Marquez

Creo que usted sabe quien por Nickname en Warriorsport. Espero poder asistir a su seminario en Febrero ;).

Por otro lado contestanto sus preguntas. Mi anterior maestro es el Sr. Rafael Martinez retirado Ranger del U.S. Army. El entreno en Korea mientras estuvo por aya. Tambien entreno TKD-MDK y Tang Soo Do. El fue miembro de la ICHF y si no me equivoco fue el primero en esa organizacion aqui en PR o de los primeros.

El fundo el Rama Hapkido Kwan para el año 2000 sin mas no recuerdo. El dojang a estado en Arecibo siempre y desde el 1999 mas o menos a estado en los altos del Fame Pub en Arecibo en la Carr #2.

Para el tiempo que yo entrenaba con el y que estabamos en la carr de Arecibo a Lares. Digo entrenaba por que luego yo me fui para San Juan y cuando volvi al Dojang fue para el 2000 y es ahi cuando ya se habian mudado hacia un año y estaban fundando Rama Hapkido Kwan, luego se retira.

En el 1998 para cuando yo estaba en el dojang el se habia desafiliado de ICHF por la politica que a teniedo Pellegrini de brincar de rangos a x personas entre otras cosas, creo que para el 2001 ellos vuelven y se afiliaron. Esa ultima vez estuve poco tiempo por que el viaje de SJ para arecibo mas estudiando y trabajando se me hacia dificil.

Anteriormente por bocas de otros me dijeron que el tenia un grupo en el viejo dojang con Jose Joe Cruz de Sanuces Ryu y Vee Jitsu y ambos impartian clases de los diferentes estilos. Eso me dijo un maestro de esta area que me reservo el nombre.

Anyway la linea de nosotros tradicional es por entrenamiento de KJN en Korea y la no tradicional es por ICHF y en ocaciones se le añaden conceptos de otros estilos como KAli, JKD en la parte de strikes. Por eso es que digo Non and Tradicional Style.

Mi maestro ahora lo es Sabunim Dennis Delgado quien KJN lo dejo acargo del dojang y el instructor Francisco Delgado. Estamos afliados ahora en nuevo Step con Michael De Alba en el Modern Farang Mu Sul.


Yo no soy maestro solo soy Gup desde que empeze en el 1988 en TKD ITF con los Young Brothers para ese tiempo. He practicado de aqui para aca diferentes estilos a travez de mi vida. Nunca estado con cuestiones de Rangos pues creo que eso es para amarrarse los pantalones. Entre mis instructores se encuentra: ITF Camuy - Luis Freylte (mi primer maestro), Jose Juan Gonzalez ITF (Quebradillas), Rafael Ortiz ITF Camuy, Freddy Lopez - Karate (Shotokan, Shindo Ryu, Goju Kai), KJN Rafael MArtinez, Sabunim Dennis Vega, Prof. Andres Muniz (ITF), por mencionar algunos ya que como dije estado aveces poco tiempo en diferentes escuelas.

La parte de Huk Ju Sool es que soy miembro de ellos, de combat, Farang Mu Sul y al igual que usted de CQDT y WHA. En donde entreno no tiene nada que ver con Pedro solo que mi maestros han ido a par de seminarios con el al igual que yo.

Basicamente eso es por encima un poco de lo que es mi "Backgroung". Como dije yo no soy maestro, solo un simple estudiante en busca de aprendisaje. Quien utiliza distance program para ayudar en mi training y para en las ocaciones que por X Razon no puedo entrenar en el dojang.

Bueno humildemente aqui a las ordenes.

Luego me equivoco con usted. Si acaso a visto un elbohemiopr en el im de hotmail ese soy yo. Se me cuida. Aqui le dejo un link de fotos de la escuela para lo del seminario con De Alba.

http://www.dsystem.com/images/PR2004index.html

:bow:






Greetings Friend from PR I was wondering who is your Hapkido teacher in PR?

I’m also from PR and have been doing Hapkido for the past 15 years and have not ever heard of a Retired snake eater teaching Hapkido in PR. I know Pedro and Talk often to him and know most of the Huk Ju sul and Combat Hapkido Instructors in PR since they were at one point my peers or students and 3 of them at one point or another my seniors in the WHF under Master Wilfredo Sellas (Garray, Pino, Trujillo) They were the original CHF instructors, I actually met John P. when he came to Master Sellas School and offer him an 8th Degree Black belt or something of that nature; I might be missing a few names from that original CHF group because is been more that 10 years and I don’t recall there names. Still I don’t recall any of them been a Ranger, just wondering?

By the way when you say that you train traditional and Modern Hapkido at your school what traditional stile your instructor is teaching because Huk Ju Sul nor CHF is Traditional, one spawns from the other with minor modifications made by Pedro to improve on what John P. did after he left the WHF but both styles are far from been traditional they are more like eclectic systems combining multiple arts under a Hapkido banner been that Hapkido is recognized by both man as a superior art.



Any way nice to meet you hope you reply soon…!!! :karate:

[ELBOHEMIO]

Luego me equivoco con usted?? Ja!! en donde tengo la mente. Debi decir luego me comunico con usted uuffff. Hay unos cosas que quisiera preguntarle sobre su organizacion y sobre la WHF.

[kodanjaclay]

Por favor, en ingles solamente. Gracias.

[ELBOHEMIO]

Sorry Mr. Clay, I'm just answer Mr. Marquez questions.

:bow:

[ELBOHEMIO]

Anyway Seminars or Camps for next year? Please let me know with time and the information. Thanks ;)

[Karronte]

Hello I write in English so our none Spanish speaking friends don’t get offended.

O yea I know of Rama Hapkido, remember Mr. Martinez I just didn’t knew he was a Ranger. He was the one that brought John P. to Master Sellas School with all of the other ICHF instructors at the time. I actually don’t teach mush CQDT even though is advertise in my page with Gumdo, and Taekwondo I do have back belt in both systems as well as CQ certificate but I prefer to teach only Yoon Moo Kwan Hapkido with a focused in traditional Yoo Sul techniques. Mostly my quorum is composed of Marines at the DC Barracks since I’m fairly 20 minutes away from it and Army Guys; honestly despite what most Modern Hapkido or Eclectic Hapkido instructors might think, I believe that Traditional Hapkido is an effective deadly martial art Combat proven and excellent for Military personal. The use of videos for training is a common practice in PR. Due to the difficulty that is bringing senior master to the island, still in Hapkido there are very good instructors that have traveled a lot and have lost of years of experience in the Art.

I agree with you in regards to what has been happening with ICHF and ranking in the Island, most if not all of the 8th and whatever Dans in ICHF from PR were Master Sellas Pupil and he just got his 7th Dan these year . He has been practicing Hapkido since 1978 and has given out limited a limited amount of 1st and 2nd Dans to these day his only 3rd Dan Given is mine before I went on and started practicing directly under GM. Myung.

It is true what you say that knowledge is only important and that the belt is only useful to hold the pants or the Hakama for that matter, still I encourage you to strive for completion in your training for what you say you have spend many years in the martial arts and it would be a shame for you not to chare that knowledge with others just because you don’t have a black belt.

About Hapkido and the Seminar in PR we have establish a Traditional Hapkido Association to promote the Union of Hapkido instructors in the island, it will not be politically base and hopefully it wont have the same ego ( Y dimes y diretes) problems that the Taekwondo Federation is Having. Hope to see you and your instructor in My seminar so we can talk further more about that (we bring multiple new concepts of Hapkido education/Training and we hope to establish a solid base in wish we can all chare our knowledge, travel abroad for training annually, bring exponents in the art from abroad, and establish friendly competitions among school (Techniques, Exhibition, Sparring, Breaking, Forms, Weapons) these to make it more inclusive of all modalities of Hapkido in the island. My personally for the past 5 years I have been going twice a year and providing seminars within the CNT for Hapkido Students of the Sellas Brothers. Now I hope to expand beyond that mini cosmos and have the opportunity of working with people of other schools and stiles. If you have a chance to visit Carolina and you want to have a great work out of Hapkido in its traditional and very effective form visit his School. I’m sure you won’t be disappointed. His Asst. Instructor is also very Good he was a student of mine for a wile I was teaching for Master Sellas, and he has grown a lot in the art since then. If you have been to CQ seminars is more than likely that you have meet him or seen him since Pedro used him as his Asst. and some time he taught for Pedro. (Esto hasta que Sellas tuvo problemas con Pedro y tomaron caminos diferentes una pena pues aprecio a ambos mucho)

When using a video as a training tool always tray to keep in mind like my friend Moshka (Michael Merchant we chare Dojang space he teaches Hapkiyoosol from the IHF) said in one of His post to you that only a seasoned instructor can give you the feel of the technique and the correct way of applying it with little to no effort. Most Hapkido techniques if not all involve little strength or muscle power. If done correctly Hapkido techniques evoke the use of all of the major muscle groups that way the effort place on it is minimum these combine with the motion, Circular semi-circular in the right direction makes the technique flow (that and a little bit of “Torque” on the big old wrist LOL) I’m not sure if I have talk to you before apparently I have since you mentioned MSN and Warrior, any way if you see me online in MSN Shout at me so we can talk further.

Ok with nothing else to say have a great one HAPKI!!!

[Karronte]

Ps: By the way nice Pics wish one is you in the photos?

You can email me latter or contact me trough MSN if you need to call me just let me know and I will be more than glad to email you my Phone # info.

Also for your information the WHF has the largest Video and Book library in the Martial arts media Market. The Curriculum from 9th Gup to 7th Dan in its completion is gathered in a series of more than 36 combine videos and Books. If you need any of them you can get them trough my web page. http://www.geocities.com/karronte2001/online_dojang.html
They never replace a Good instructor but they are good learning and refreshing tools for training.


Be safe.

[ELBOHEMIO]

Greetings Marquez

Check this pictures

http://www.dsystem.com/images/100_0678a.html

and

http://www.dsystem.com/images/100_0678a.html

I'm the bald guy in the picture.

My instructors now is Master Dennis Vega in the left and Instructor Francisco Delgado in the right in this picture with De Alba.

http://www.dsystem.com/images/100_0641a.html


By the way I'm preparing to take my Red Belt in ITF in Februrary or March. I'm not sure the date. Also I'm planning to take my Brown Belt in Karate soon a couple ranks in others system.

Take Care,

Tan pronto lo vea en el MSN me comunico con usted. En Warriors estoy un poco alejado por que hay mucha gente que se pone hablar demas, ya usted sabe. Normalmente uso este mismo nick.

You can track me at elbohemiopr@hotmail.com

See ya

:bow:

[ELBOHEMIO]

Last September my Hapkido Master instructor and a school partner of us when to Korea to the ITF World Championships with my TKD instructor and the group from PR.

Both went to a Hapkido dojang the teacher told my master that in Korea they are 3 diffrent types of Hapkido. He saw that his Hapkido is looks like Aikido moves but it was Hapkido. The name of the style is Hapkido Song Do Kwan. I don't remember the name of the the instructor and I have a poster of the school and him but the name is in Korean, Sorry. I also try to go to his website but I can't. This is the address: www.sdo.net.kr

If anybody knows something about this Kwon, please let me know the information.

:bow:

[Karronte]

Hey David

Yea I know what you are saying I stay away from groups and chats as mush as possible. Don’t have time to deal with narrow minded people. I just join these one because my fried Moshka mention that was a good one and that people from PR were posting on it. People in some of this group tend to spend more time bickering about who is the best on what is the best stile or what is the most effective or more traditional. I say that as long as the martial spirit is strong and the discipline is good you can always learn from any one that has some thing good to offer, I don’t believe in getting encapsulated to one single system, art or stile. Anyone that has dedicated live soul and mind to the path of the warrior should have something good to bring to the table.
Any way just rings me up whenever.

How are things in PR financially and in terms of the arts?

I was hoping to move back to PR and Opening a new Dojang, but from what I have herd the market is hilly saturated and Hapkido has gain a really bad name in the island because all of the buffoons that are just teaching with mediocre credentials. Is this true?
This is one of the reasons we came up with the idea of starting the PR-THA to help people grow in the art and help instructors improve there knowledge and skills.

Apparently lost of people from Taekwondo are interested also in joining in since they have understood that Hapkido is a superior art.

When I left PR Hapkido was limited to a small group of schools that I could count with one hand for the most part , how It is now days are there many more. Is what they are teaching real Hapkido or just eclectic arts with a Hapkido label?

I have gotten answers to these questions from instructors in my organization but I would like a fresher view without bias, maybe you could give me your perspective on this…

TCR
Hapki!!!!

[ELBOHEMIO]

Well, Good questions.mmmmmm

With the Combat Hapkido BOOM in PR a lot of schools join this organization and I'm one of the member, but I do it to learn more skills in martial arts. That's why most of the school they are not good. I think most of them are Tae Kwon Do schools. Like I said before in our school was part of CH. The curriculum is too short and like you said it is more a electic style of hapkido like Pedro Style (for me I prefered his method).

The traditional part we do in the dojang in combine the CH and others styles helps us in some aspects. when others people come to visit us they said WOW it looks diffrent to the others schools (no es por darnos la patada, pero aqui hay muchas porquerias).

They are the others Old School Traditional TKD schools that they said they have "traditional" Hapkido in their curriculum. But if you ask me about it looks like Hapkido,mmmm na'. Is not the traditional hapkido we do in our dojang. It looks more TKD with joint locks. If you really want to do a good market of M.A. here you need to teach TKD - WTF and for me it is another problem because most of them they only train for tornements and they don't learn what TKD really is. I learn if you really want to learn TKD you need to practices all the styles like Chung Do Kwan, Ji Do Kwan, ITF, WTF etc... (todas las interpretaciones) and Hapkido is the same. You need to learn every traditional interpretation of the traditional Masters. Also If you want to train in a modern version of your arts thats not bad it helps you to updated to your time.

Marquez, I was the guy who wrote in your post in Warriors ones I think the name of the post was Traditional Hapkido vs Moderns Hapkido systems.

Esa es solo mi humilde opinion de lo que veo aqui en PR :wink2:

Cuidese

[ELBOHEMIO]

Marquez, can you tell me about STORM? Thanks

[Karronte]

Storm would be my version of a Hapkido Eclectic system, it contains Chinese, Philippino and Japanese Martial arts concept and techniques; with absolutely no Traditional Base but a very strong regard for self preservation and survival in the field of combat. I teach it only to AT Units and Spec. ops. Since it was design wile I was in the military and for the purpose of improving in MCMA’s and other training models such as that, that many of the guys in Rosy Rode found to be ineffective. ( I joke by saying that it is a Borricua, martial arts Born in an American military base) Imagine Tukon Moo Sool (Korean Spec Ops ) with a “Tumba Coco” flavor.

[Karronte]

Thank you for your response that is for the most part what my student tell me, if it is not Taekwondo it doesn’t sell in the island. Still I have several new concepts that might help Hapkido Instructors break with that. Also I hope to bring to the table a new perspective in self development trough the art, to break away from the Box that Hapkido is only for adults and is for street fighting only. I have been working on several papers in self development for the martial arts that has spawn my Doctoral Dissertation that is the psychological and emotional benefits that Hapki /Aiki Arts brings to the individual. Also it touches deep within the ruts of Hapkido to help develop a better individual and through that a better society. For the young guys that are interested in competition we break away from the traditional concepts of Hapkido and developed a full competition manual of rules and regulations. Base on what they have been doing in Korea, Brazil and the US in terms of Hapkido competition, still I believe we have further improved in what is been done already to ensure security of the competitor but also to ensure that what is been done doesn’t look like Taekwondo with Take downs.

[ELBOHEMIO]

Greetings Marquez and Friends

Today I recieved from a friend a copy of four old Combat Hapkido videos that they are out of stock from the market. They have in my opinion good technics. Also they look more like Hapkido then Combat Hapkido. In this videos Master Pellegrini use his old Combat Hapkido Parch in his uniform. Anyway if anyone instresting in a trade copies let me know. Take Care

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[Michael Tomlinson]

Those video's were made not long after Pelligrini jumped out of the World Hapkido Federation and started his own stuff. The reason those tapes look better is because that was when Pelligrini still remembered some of the original techniques he learned from the WHF and the AHA. I had a Goju Ryu guy give me all those tapes after he told me Pelligrini promoted him to black belt in Hapkido without ever meeting him or seeing him. He said he felt guilty after watching our dojang practice Hapkido. All Combat Hapkido started from the basic lower belt techniques associated with the American Hapkido Association and the World Hapkido Federation. Those techniques on the ICHF tapes go up to about high blue belt in the WHF. I was there personally as Pelligrini was laying the foundation for what he later "created" which is really nothing "new" just revamped stuff he half learned from the beginning. I saw him in Florida when he was still a TKD guy playing Hapkido...around 1988 to 1992
Michael Tomlinson :wink2:

[ELBOHEMIO]

Ok, Thanks for the information
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[ELBOHEMIO]

Did you recived my invitation to World Martial Arts Bortherhood in MSN groups?

[AllanJGAnderson]

I will be honest with you fine gentlemen. Im certain that you all probably have more martial arts experiance than me, you know more about the world than me and im REALY certain you know more about all of the federation/assosiation beurocratic nonsense. But i'll give you some honest to god truths. I study Combat HKD at a school that specifies in exactly that Combat HKD, not TKD, not TSD, but Chon tu kwan (Combat) HKD. And allthough you can sit around and argue whats better than what all day, Combat HKD has saved my butt a number of times, i live in a area where a **certain group* goes around harassing and jumping people fore being white. (No not some ghetto, but a suburb) In one specific instance on my walk home from my first day of freshman year, this group tried to jump me. When i was not complicate with there demands, one of them pulled out a knife. . . . Thats when things got out of hand. we'll just say he's got a bad wrist nowadays. But if it wasn't for that system you'd be talking to one cut-up white boy. Not to say that he invented any of these old techniques but he sure did pick and choose correctly. So bashing GM Pellegrini's credibility and knowledge is nothing more than slander in my book.

[kodanjaclay]

Allan,

First off, it would be libel, not slander. Second, so long as we speak only what we know, and do not make it up, then it is not libel. You may not like it, but then thats the beauty of discussion. We don't have to, nor do we have to agree. I respect the fact that you train, but If I think someone has poor technique, then that is my opinion and neither slander nor libel. Master Lim indicated being his senior and sitting on one of his exams, Yi Dan I'm thinking.. actually I think he was just present... nevertheless, he was a lower rank, and now he is a higher rank than Master Lim. If you follow the guidelines for promotion strictly, and both parties test when they are supposed to, then that is an impossibility, neh?

[AllanJGAnderson]

Sir,

I apologize, i suppose you are correct that 'good technique' would be considered subjective, thus making slander the inapropriate word. Heading to the strict guidlines of promotion procedures, then this situation would indeed not be possible Unlesss of course both parties did not test at the same time, its imaginable that there could be a thousand scenarios in which one may not attend a promotion exam, but that is all beside the point, whether you think GM Pelligrini's techniques and teachings are poor or lacking, I am walking, talking, un-stabbed proof of its effectivness. Now I have seen his mail order videos, and they weren't all that impressive, but anyone that truly wants to learn a martial art can't do it by mail, they need to go to a school. I have not seen one martial arts video that made me gain a true understanding of that system, just a few flashy or easy moves to please the masses. So if you're going to target GM Pelligrini for this kind of thing, don't act like he's the first, the only or the last.

[kodanjaclay]

Ok, we can agree to disagree...

BUT before you credit your trainig with keeping you unstabbed, get ahold of a Police training film called Survivng Edged Weapons. Its an eye-opener. You may find that you were lucky. I disarmed someone in my youth and chalked it up to being awesome. AS I matured and spent more time on the street, I discovered I WAS awesome... awesomely lucky.

Incidentally, I don't think he is the first or the last... but certainly not the best either. But at least it was professionally done. The viodeos I saw from an unnamed organization that I have three of, are about as raw as raw gets. Some good stuff, but boy should they have been edited. Wing Lam has some good stuff out on Tape, but that is Kung Fu. In the end, media should be used as a reference tool for review for students of the system, not for self instruction.

[AllanJGAnderson]

In the end, media should be used as a reference tool for review for students of the system, not for self instruction.


Exaclty. I agree 100% with that one. I recently got some krav maga videos, and that stuff is incredible, brutally effecient (with a plethora of groin kicks). But if i had no martial arts experiance it would mean nothing. I think its because instructers want the videos to seem easy to learn, and don't include fundamentals of a good trap, disarm or even a good upper block.

[howard]

Ok, we can agree to disagree...

BUT before you credit your trainig with keeping you unstabbed, get ahold of a Police training film called Survivng Edged Weapons. Its an eye-opener...
frank, would you happen to know how non-law enforcement people like me can get hold of the "surviving edged weapons" video? i have managed to track it down to its publisher's website, but they sell only to police. haven't been able to find it for general sale anywhere, despite having spend about an hour one day on google.

this is the one with dan inosanto, right?

thanks, howard

[DragonMind]

frank, would you happen to know how non-law enforcement people like me can get hold of the "surviving edged weapons" video? i have managed to track it down to its publisher's website, but they sell only to police. haven't been able to find it for general sale anywhere, despite having spend about an hour one day on google.

this is the one with dan inosanto, right?

thanks, howard
Try here: http://www.streichers.com/Catalog/Products/index.cfm?action=product_detail&product_id=792