Looking for Bujinkan members

[gr455h0pp3r]

Hello :bow:

Does Bujinkan teach improve your fighting? Greatly?
Do you study all 9 schools or just the ones you choose?
What do u find are the rewards of your Bujinkan training?
Can you practice Bujinkan outside of the dojo ?

Ryan Doherty

[gr455h0pp3r]

Also Do you Spar ?

[Stampede]

All nine schools make up one curriculum.

Improve your fighting? Well, I've been studying the Taijutsu Kihon through Quest's Long Distance Program for a few weeks now and I can already notice some changes in my natural reactions to when people try to hit me or if my friends and I are messing around acting as if we're fighting.

In many schools as far as I understand there isn't much sparring but I also hear that there is in other schools. It just depends on which one you go to. My training group, when we have time, goes through free response drills that are similar to sparring sessions.

[gr455h0pp3r]

What is "Quests Long Distance Program"?

[Stampede]

Its a thing where you buy DVDs to learn from if you don't have a school nearby. Some people use it as their only source of learning and actually test by video. I plan on going 1980s style with it, though, and make road trips once in awhile to get some actual dojo time in and then test in person.

[Kaoru]

Its a thing where you buy DVDs to learn from if you don't have a school nearby. Some people use it as their only source of learning and actually test by video. I plan on going 1980s style with it, though, and make road trips once in awhile to get some actual dojo time in and then test in person.

This is a very stupid thing to do. If you want to learn, you attend a dojo, no if's ands or buts. You cannot learn from books, videos or DVD's. The only thing you will learn is bad habits and bad technique. You cannot safely teach yourself ANY MA. Only a lazy fool who can't be bothered to make a drive to a dojo would do this. And don't complain to me about distance! Unless you want an earful about how far MY dojo is...
Not joking either...

If the dojo is farther than 3 hours, pick another MA. Simple as that. If it isn't available, you can't learn it. Unless that is, you decide to move.

[Kaoru]

Hello :bow:

Does Bujinkan teach improve your fighting? Greatly?
Do you study all 9 schools or just the ones you choose?
What do u find are the rewards of your Bujinkan training?
Can you practice Bujinkan outside of the dojo ?

Ryan Doherty

No. You can't. The Bujinkan has VERY strict rules about fighting and using it outside the dojo. Hmmm... I need to find the page where I saw that. It was on a very legit Bujinkan site. You can't be in any sort of trouble and expect to stay in the Bujinkan either. I know that for a fact. You cause trouble and get into fights, and they won't want you. Ever heard of the words "Self Control?" I don't care WHO started it.

I will be talking to you tomorrow on your fighting you mentioned on your other thread. You get into too many fights to be ready for any MA. Stop looking for a MA to help you to fight. You mess with a cop and you could end up dead. Got that? For the amount of fights you have gotten into in such a short time, you need a lecture on behavior. Expect it tomorrow. I am working on my reply still. I don't give out dojos for trouble makers, just so you know.

I found the page. Someone had it in another thread.

Page this came from here:

http://www.bujinkan.com/guidelines.htm

Read this:

Guidelines For Participation
In The Bujinkan

1. The Bujinkan shall be open to only those who agree with and uphold the guidelines of the Bujinkan Dojo. Those not doing so shall not be allowed to join. Specifically: Only those who have read and agreed with these guidelines shall be allowed to participate.

2. Only those able to exercise true patience, self-control, and dedication shall be allowed to participate. A physician's examination report shall be required. Specifically, individuals with mental illness, drug addiction, or mental instability shall be barred from joining. The necessity of such a report concerns individuals who may present a danger to others, for example, those with infectious diseases or illnesses, individuals with clinically abnormal personalities or physiology, and individuals lacking self-control.

3. Individuals with criminal records shall be turned away. Trouble makers, those who commit crimes, and those living in Japan who break domestic laws shall be turned away.

4. Those not upholding the guidelines of the Bujinkan, either as practitioners or as members of society, by committing disgraceful or reproachable acts shall be expelled. Until now, the Bujinkan was open to large numbers of people who came to Japan. Among them, unfortunately, were those committing violent drunken acts, the mentally ill, and trouble makers who thought only of themselves and failed to see how their actions might adversely affect others. Through their actions, such people were discarding the traditional righteous heart of the Bujinkan. From this day forward, all such people shall be expelled.

5. Regarding accidents occurring during training (both inside and outside the dojo), one should not cause trouble to the Bujinkan. This is an extremely important point. Those unwilling to take personal responsibility for accidents occurring during Bujinkan training shall not be admitted. Reiterating for clarity, the Bujinkan shall not take responsibility for any accidents happening in the course of training, regardless of the location.

6. All those joining the Bujinkan must get an annual membership card. This card not only preserves the honor of the Bujinkan members, it indicates you are part of a larger whole--one whose members come together with warrior hearts to better themselves through training and friendship. It evinces the glory of warrior virtue, and embodies both loyalty and brotherly love.

7. The tradition of the Bujinkan recognizes nature and the universality of all human life, and is aware of that which flows naturally between the two parts:

•"The secret principle of Taijutsu is to know the foundations of peace.

•To study is the path to the immovable heart (fudoshin)."

Recently, the Bujinkan has become truly international. Just as there are various time zones, so exist various taboos among the world's peoples and nations. We must respect each other, striving to avoid such taboos. We must put the heart of the warrior first, working together for self-improvement and for the betterment of the Bujinkan.

Those not upholding the above-mentioned guidelines shall be forced out of the Bujinkan.

Masaaki Hatsumi - Soke

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Read it and understand it. Rethink about all the fights you are getting into.

[ShaneLayton]

Let me preface this by saying that this is MY opinion only, and considering I am a novice in the Bujinkan should be taken with and entire salt mine . . .

I haven't read anything posted on any other forum by gr455h0pp3r, so I can't speak intelligently about the fighting aspect. I will say this though: if you were to apply to train with the group I train with and we found out that you had self-control issues you would be asked to leave. And you would leave.

As for using video-based training as your only source it is my opinion that all you will be able to do is mimic the gross physical movements of the demonstrator. I question how you can learn timing, distancing, angling, rhythm, flow etc. without a real dojo. Videos can be a good tool if you are in a dojo and already have an understanding.

What do I get out of training? Bruises and sore muscles, joints that pop loudly when I move them. Oh, and really good friendships, a connection to the history and culture of Japan, and a connection to the warrior past that I have been seeking. And a great way to protect my loved ones and myself, but thats not the first priority for me.

Since life is my dojo then no, I can't practice outside the dojo. I see budo in every element of my life, from walking my dogs to playing with my kids to spending time with my wife.

Again, this is just my opinion, I hope you have really big salt shaker. :bow:

[gr455h0pp3r]

And a great way to protect my loved ones and myself, but thats not the first priority for me.



So bujinkan is taught as a self defense ?

Kaoru : What martial arts do u do ?

[Mikey Triangles]

If the dojo is farther than 3 hours, pick another MA. Simple as that. If it isn't available, you can't learn it. Unless that is, you decide to move.


He he, I take a longer drive then that many days, and I know of someone in my style that drove over 8 hours each way to get to class, now he is one of the the highest ranks in the states. I love this style too much to pick another, but luckily there is a school fairly close to my house that I can go to on most days :bow:


Also I disagree that you can't learn anything from video training (You'd be surprised at the acrobatics I learned from hollywood movies). Obviously you need an experienced teacher to guide you, but you can most certainly improve in your own time by watching these videos repeatedly and mimicing every movement over and over again. Though I agree that you shouldn't have it as your soul source of training, then you will almost certainly learn things incorrectly. You need a teacher to point out your mistakes.

[kurohana]

If the dojo is farther than 3 hours, pick another MA. Simple as that. If it isn't available, you can't learn it. Unless that is, you decide to move.


I've driven 10 minutes and I've driven 6 hours to train (and I flew a couple thousand miles once). There's the key, how "driven" are you to train in the Bujinkan? There are many many TKD, Kung Fu, etc... schools all over the place. But, if you want to train in the Bujinkan, you must make every effort to do so. That includes getting answers here. Make the effort to do some research before asking your questions, make the effort to accept some of the answers you get here and the effort to research the ones you find suspect.

[Kaoru]

H Merkaba-san and Kurohana-san,

Thank you guys. I got sick of people complaining about driving more than 3 hours on another forum(New potential kenshi, that is.) when I have said it doesn't matter how far, so that's why I said that, actually. My take lately has been, if they don't want to drive farther than 3, then they can just forget training, bcause they don't obviously want it bad enough to get there and train.

I guess I'll go back to my old usual saying about driving far. Nice to hear about people who DO drive the distance to learn. :)

[Kaoru]

So bujinkan is taught as a self defense ?


Read my post above on the Bujinkan rules for your answer.



Kaoru : What martial arts do u do ?

I do Kendo. (My avatar is a give-away. ;) )

I have also trained in American TKD Association Tae Kwon Do.

[Stampede]

This is a very stupid thing to do.

I'm gonna stop you right here and fill you in on how I am doing my training that way you can realize that not everyone is the same and not everyone needs that memorized speech you have saved up for every person who buys supplimental training materials. Note that about 3 or 4 of these apply as part of the 1980s style of training I was speaking of.


A former Bujinkan student as a training partner
A bit of actual Bujinkan experience that is equal to the level of training I am doing on the DVD
Occasional dojo time when I have the money to rent a car and travel
Yet another person with Bujinkan experience helping me
Military training that has Bujinkan principles in it
Multiple life-or-death situation experiences


You're not talking to Joe Average. You're talking to Joshua L. Christopher and that factory-produced speech you just tried to give me does not apply. I'm going to suppliment what self-defense skills I have now with the Bujinkan's Kihon material with the above listed factors as what will help me do so successfully. In about a year and a half when I transfer to a different campus where I know I will be able to train full time I'll start studying beyond Kihon skills.

Thank you for your time. Save your lecture for someone who really deserves it.

[kurohana]

Setting aside for the time driving great distances to train, on the matter of video and DVDs... they are great as a supplement to your training. If you are getting any kind of training from someone in the Bujinkan, then any other media is a good supplement. Of course, you should train with someone qualified, but any port in a storm is better than being dashed on the rocks. I realize some folks do not have the means (financial or otherwise) to drive great distances, but you should make every effort to find a Shidoshi to train with or at least guide you.

[Don Roley]

You're talking to Joshua L. Christopher and that factory-produced speech you just tried to give me does not apply.

Yes it does.

But it is probably wasted on someone with your kind of ego.

Here are some facts, people make mistakes during training. They do not do things just as the instructor wants them to. They do not realize that they are making mistakes until the teacher comes by and tells them and shows them why what they do is wrong. And students do not always know why the teacher does things the way he does. Even two students working together will not catch all the mistakes a single instructor can before it becomes a bad habit drilled into them.

But, if you feel that you are such a superior human being that these facts do not apply to you, then you need not worry about making mistakes in form or not understanding what the lesson really should be about. You need not worry about drifting off the path into wierd areas because you are so damn good it is not an issue like it would be for mere mortals.

But I think you are human and these facts apply to everyone learning. That is why I know you will never get far in martial arts because to do so you will have to abandon that increadible ego you have.

:bow:

[The Nephilim]

Yes it does.

But it is probably wasted on someone with your kind of ego.

Here are some facts, people make mistakes during training. They do not do things just as the instructor wants them to. They do not realize that they are making mistakes until the teacher comes by and tells them and shows them why what they do is wrong. And students do not always know why the teacher does things the way he does. Even two students working together will not catch all the mistakes a single instructor can before it becomes a bad habit drilled into them.

But, if you feel that you are such a superior human being that these facts do not apply to you, then you need not worry about making mistakes in form or not understanding what the lesson really should be about. You need not worry about drifting off the path into wierd areas because you are so damn good it is not an issue like it would be for mere mortals.

But I think you are human and these facts apply to everyone learning. That is why I know you will never get far in martial arts because to do so you will have to abandon that increadible ego you have.

:bow:

I agree with Mr. Roley on this. The statement is full of ego and self confidence. People that have this kind of attitude always feel deflated after they fall from grace.

It seems applicable of what Hatsumi said about a man without ego hiding in his own shadow.

As for the original question "Can the Bujinkan tach you to fight?" answer is yes it can, but it also can teach you how to fight without having to physically fight also. So my answer is go and learn and look into what is taught.

[gr455h0pp3r]

Yes it does.

But it is probably wasted on someone with your kind of ego.

I know you will never get far in martial arts because to do so you will have to abandon that increadible ego you have.
:bow:

Although i am aware of it.. i Have an ego, does that mean i wont ever get far in martial arts ? :bandit:

[Don Roley]

Although i am aware of it.. i Have an ego, does that mean i wont ever get far in martial arts ? :bandit:

Ego, like fire, is a great servent but terrible master.

If you do great, revel in it. Take pride in that which you do well in. But there are people who desire nothing but praise from others. Their image that they portray to the world is what their existence revolves around. They will do anything to protect that image.

For these types, asking them to admit that they are not perfect is akin to suicide. Their existnece revolves around a certain image and to abandon that is to abandon their very "self."

In the end, if you look in the mirror and are satisfied with what you see, you can tell the rest of the world to take a hike. Even if everyone thinks you are a hero, but you know you did evil to get that fame, you will die a little bit at a time inside. By the same token if you know you did good, really know, then the comments of others will not bother you.

People that need others to know that they are not Joe Average are just doomed from the beggining. If you take a look pride at what you do, there is no problem. It is when you demand others realize just how great you are that you become ego's servent instead of it's master.

[Mikey Triangles]

Ego, like fire, is a great servent but terrible master.




He he, I like this line... I'm gonna steal it :D:

[Off-Duty Ninja]

I've got a friend who drove 10 hours each way to train and has done so for the past 8 years...he is a shodan now and still continues to make the 10 hour commute to train every couple of months or so.


By the way, hi everybody. :D

[sim3012]

I've got a friend who drove 10 hours each way to train and has done so for the past 8 years...he is a shodan now and still continues to make the 10 hour commute to train every couple of months or so.


By the way, hi everybody. :D


Thats is impressive. I'm lucky I found a Dojo only about 45 minutes away from where I live.

[Off-Duty Ninja]

Thats is impressive. I'm lucky I found a Dojo only about 45 minutes away from where I live.


Yeah i'm about 45 minutes from the dojo i attend. :)