ISR Matrix?

[TonyU]

Has anyone heard or have any experince with this training group.
Click on the name for a sample video.
ISR Matrix (http://www.onedragon.com/videos/isrle25mb.wmv)
Thanks.

[jwinch2]

I haven't... Interesting find!

[jabonn]

Good video Tony, looked like some Traditional Jujutsu moves that the guy used. I have not heard of the organization. Over in my neck of the woods http://strategosintl.com/ does the same training.

[KIT]

ISR matrix is the brainchild of some members of Straight Blast Gym International (SBGi), Paul Sharp (a police officer in the Midwest) and Luis Guttierez (a bouncer/security specialist from Florida). It is based strongly on wrestling, judo, and BJJ adapted for the armed environment and based in force on force training.

It is different from what Strategos teaches, but some commonality doubtless appears due to the fact that both are geared toward the armed environment. Fascinating that you thought it looks like trad. JJ. Again, that may be due to the presence of weapons in the mix.

[Cliff Hargrave]

Looks like some good stuff. I teach that exact same under the arm, push the head move in the DT classes I teach.




....... Fascinating that you thought it looks like trad. JJ. Again, that may be due to the presence of weapons in the mix.

That is interesting. I guess when weapons are present there is alot of crossover in techniques. Sometimes I am teaching a move and dont really remember if it was something I learned in JJ, FMA, or a DT class.

[TonyU]

A couple of questions.
First for Kit.
What is your take on it? Do you like it? What are it's weaknesses? strong points?
To Cliff. How hard is it to teach begginers? seasoned officers?
Also if anyone can please give me a little more intell on the weapon retention technique.
We teach a two handed weapon retention and the techniques shown intrigues me.
And finally the reason I'm asking is because I'm doing research into other similar programs because hopefully, by the end of the year I would have started an LEO/Military tactical training company, between myself and two other senior SWAT members. With me concentrating on the DT end. We are now in the process of choosing a name.
We are sorely lacking in tactical trainers in this area.
Thanks all in advance.

[Fletch1]

Hi,

New here to the board but thought I might add something to the topic.

The weapon retention tactic shown in the video is one of several options shown in the ISR101 workshop. It methodically broken down and then shown at drill and combat speed on the ISR Matrix video set.

I have used a two handed secure method as well and recommend it in certain circumstances. When the crap hits the fan however, we find that the wrap is our safety net. It is a sensitive subject so I would rather not go into a lot of details on a public board.

The clip is a highlight so, obviously there were only so many training segments we could cram into 2:13 without compromising the integrity of the work put into it.

There is an ISR201 First Tier Instructor course in South Florida, March 7th - 11th if any Law Enforcement/ Corrections/ Military Officers or Trainers are interested.

[Cliff Hargrave]

Fletch, welcome to BudoSeek and feel free to hang around awhile.

[TonyU]

Welcome Fletch,
I took that link from your post in that other forum. Please don't misundestand my questions they are not critiques. The are genuine questions. I'm always looking or new and innovative ideas.

It is a sensitive subject so I would rather not go into a lot of details on a public board.
Why is it a sensative subject? Again I'm not looking to criticize. I'm very well aware of you having some problems with another member in that forum. Do not worry that person has been banned from here. He crossed the line here just like he did there.
On a final note we all may disagree but we still maintain respect for each other.
Oh BTW what part of Florida are you in. I'm always flying to the Ft. Lauderdale area.

There is an ISR201 First Tier Instructor course in South Florida, March 7th - 11th if any Law Enforcement/ Corrections/ Military Officers or Trainers are interested.
March is too soon, but I would be interested in any future courses.

[KIT]

Tony-

My take is not from direct hands-on experience with ISR matrix. I am hoping to get into the Instructor class in Florida but that depends on the training budget!

What I have seen of ISR matrix, based on the clips as well as a rough draft video set that was sent to our agency, which shows a large part of the ISR Matrix, is that it is similar in many ways to a LE training group that I have been a part of for quite a while, Arrestling. That is, primarily based in force on force exercises.

What I have seen in the videos spans the gamut from light resistance with come-alongs and softer head manipulation takedowns, to full bore, hard contact, aggressive blitz- and clinch- based attackers and training partners that are actually trying to hit/take down/grapple/take away weapons. We must train this way in order to develop a practical understanding of the physical dynamics of aggression. Otherwise we are just doing rote techniques or cooperative exercises that do not test either tactics or the person using them.

After being part of a program that places a lot of value on this approach to training, and seeing the results for both patrol level officers and tactical team members, I am convinced it is a highly effective approach to defensive tactics training at all levels of force.

In a way, I am saying that I like ISR Matrix because it looks like what we are already doing. I think if you train with the appropriate force on force dynamics, you end up doing very similar stuff. And the more you do it, the more relaxed and more fluid you become against explosive and dominating physical aggression rather than cooperative partners which have a tendency to make anything look effective.

[Cliff Hargrave]

.........And the more you do it, the more relaxed and more fluid you become against explosive and dominating physical aggression rather than cooperative partners which have a tendency to make anything look effective.


AMEN Brother!!!

Full resistance training should be a main part of ALL martial arts, not just us. Been preaching that for years.........

[Fletch1]

Kit nailed it.

As far as sensitive? Well, two things:

1. I treat it as a sensitive subject because of the nature of the problem. There are several things at work during an attempted disarm of a peace officer. Mental and physical factors are addressed in the training as well as specific equipment issues that LEOs and armed professionals deal with. I'm just kind of anal about where the info is going.

2. The ISR Matrix is a professional organization that is commercially contracted to provide training to agencies, departments and indivdual officers. For obvious reasons, detailed information related to what, where, when, how and why we train a particular tactic will remain somewhat excusive to it's clients. How many of you have had a really good idea and given it away only to find someone selling it down the street? As a professional organization, it would be prudent to maintain some discretion for it's own continued existence.

3. I can't effectively explain the tactic without laying the groundwork, explaining the teaching methodolgy and generally going into everything that I mentioned in points 1 & 2. If I did, it would simply be a description of a "move" and would not be an honest or accurate reflection of it's role in the program or the program as a whole.

I will say that everything trained in the ISR Matrix is torture tested. If tactics fail under realistic resistance, then they don't make the cut. If they hold up but they aren't practical for the Law Enforcement mission or they compromise euipment issues, then they don't make the cut, and....if they hold up and are practical but they don't integrate into the rest of the program and follow the common fundamentals and philosophies, then again...they don't make the cut.

There are a lot of programs out there. The ISR is quite unique in it's design, training and mission implementation.

[TonyU]

Fair enough Fletch,
I will be looking forward to attending one or more of the courses in the future.

[Fletch1]

That would be really cool. There are so many people out there that just don't get it. It is great to run into people who are dialed in.

Nice forum guys.