HapKiDo Cane

[AllanJGAnderson]

I would like to know if you guys have any tips on where to buy a HapKiDo cane, I know about canemasters, but I think it seems grossly over-priced and to showey for my likings. Im sure when people first started to utilize canes as a weapon they had to buy them localy from somwhere, any tips on where I could pick one up?

[sidekick]

You can save by looking in thrift/second hand stores. Any cane that has any flex in it I would personally shy away from, although it would serve for training purposes.

Mike Dunn

[Paul B]

Ditto what Mike said and...........don't forget garage sales and flea markets. I have seen some with barrels of old used canes for like 50 cents.....it just doesn't make sense to pay good money for a fancy-shmancy cane if you're just going to use it in the Dojang.

[Jeff C.]

Not any old cane will do. You're wasting your time if the crook is so small it doesn't fit around a normal-size man's neck.

Best place to get a CHEAP but very good cane for hapkido work is a feed store. They are sold as "pig sticks," "pig canes," or "pig show sticks/canes." They are made out of hardwood, have a very nice crook, are about 7/8" in diameter on the shaft, and best yet: they only cost about 8-12 dollars brand new!.

Jeff Cook
Wabujitsu

[Paul B]

Good point Mr. C! :laugh:

I have received some sideways glances when shifting through a bucket-o-canes and seeing if the crook fits around my neck and arms... :D

[AllanJGAnderson]

Thanks for all the tips

"I have received some sideways glances when shifting through a bucket-o-canes and seeing if the crook fits around my neck and arms"

:laugh: :laugh: That is hilarious :laugh: :laugh:

[American HKD]

Greetings

I like the rattan canes sold in most MA supplies or on ebay they have a large curve and being softer wood it's a little easier on your partner's boby than hard wood like oak or hickory etc.

[yukwon]

Centruy martial arts supply has a good rattan one.

http://www.centuryfitness.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10051&storeId=10051&productId=65552&langId=-1&product_parentId=13507&crumb=13501-13524&categoryId=13507&parent_category_rn=13664


and asain world has one.
http://www.awma.com/index.cfm/action/productdetail/product_id/9363.htm

I prefer century's

[Mst Duque]

I also, use the canes from century !

I have about 20 of them and they still in very good shape.
These canes are good for practicing neck, elbow and wrist lacks, since the hook is just perfect.

Fabian Duque.

[Joehkd]

Hello,
The Century and Cane Master canes are good.
But if you need training canes, why don't you make one out of PVC? :confused: I make my own PVC canes for my dojang and I use them for training and demos. Just to take it easy with my partner. Master J.R. West uses also PVC cane at his dojang.
The only thing is that it takes a little time and practice to do them but after it's done it feels good.

Have a nice day! :bow:

[Jeff C.]

Joe, that sounds interesting - I've never seen one. How do you make one out of PVC? I would like to give that a try.

Jeff Cook
Wabujitsu

[yukwon]

new this season, century made a youth size cane. fyi, they also just came out with a youth bokken (or as I like to call it a mok gum)

[yukwon]

Joe, that sounds interesting - I've never seen one. How do you make one out of PVC? I would like to give that a try.

Jeff Cook
Wabujitsu


Use a straight piece of pvc, about 1.5 inch diamiter and 34 inches long. and a goose neck to match. glue the goose neck to the straight piece with pvc glue. then wrap it with duct tape.

[AllanJGAnderson]

Use a straight piece of pvc, about 1.5 inch diamiter and 34 inches long. and a goose neck to match. glue the goose neck to the straight piece with pvc glue. then wrap it with duct tape.

God, I love duct tape :laugh:

[Joehkd]

Hello Jeff,
That is the wrong way. :eek:
You need: PVC, Sand, Empty can of coffee, Bucket of water, and Grill (Gas or Charcoal).
1. Cut the PVC at the link that you desire.
2. Then use caps at the end of the PVC and fill with sand.
3. Start the grill.
4. Place the can of coffee with water on the grill (so you can make the arch)
5. Start heating the PVC evenly and use the coffee can for the shape.
6. Use the bucket of water to cool it down so it does not over bend.

This is a hard process and it takes practice to make a perfect bend.
Good luck! :D

[jrhilland]

Hello Jeff,
That is the wrong way. :eek:
You need: PVC, Sand, Empty can of coffee, Bucket of water, and Grill (Gas or Charcoal).
1. Cut the PVC at the link that you desire.
2. Then use caps at the end of the PVC and fill with sand.
3. Start the grill.
4. Place the can of coffee with water on the grill (so you can make the arch)
5. Start heating the PVC evenly and use the coffee can for the shape.
6. Use the bucket of water to cool it down so it does not over bend.

This is a hard process and it takes practice to make a perfect bend.
Good luck! :D

First, I don't care for canes from cane master. They look to much like a weapon. I still use the canes from kwon. But I only have a few. I made dozens for the students use myself. Remember the wood canes can break and become a very sharp weapon, not good for students.

The way I made the pvc canes is as above with a few exceptions and I offer further details:

I did not cut the pvc to exact length until the bending was finished.
I used a 2 pound coffee can to wrap the pipe around and I used duct tape as caps to hold the sand in. I nailed the can to the deck to keep the canes flat during forming and cooling. I did not use water to cool it down so it would remain flat, unmoved. I cut the pvc to the same length as my rattan cane after they cooled down. I then wrapped all the canes in black electrical tape. Took about 6 rolls for 2 dozen canes. The pvc I used was one inch. The same width as my wood canes.

[Joehkd]

Hello Master Hilland,
Thank you for a better way to do them. Obviously you have mere expiries than me. I only have done 6 so far. I never had someone teach me how to do them. I just try different way and the way I explain was better for me. But I agree with you 100%. PVC canes are safer than wood ones for training purpose.
Best wishes.
:bow:

[jrhilland]

Glad to be of help. The cane formula I obtained from Master J. R. West in the 90’s. My wife and I spent more than a few hours making all those canes; they all fit in a duffle bag when I travel to teach a seminar.

On another point, I found that using PVC for danbong (short stick) works great. I took my folding umbrella, something I often use for demos, and got some PVC the same diameter, cut it to the lengths of the folded umbrella, sanded the round edges (I did not mention that in the canes, but it was done before taping) and wrapped them with electrical tape. I did spray paint the insides black before taping the outside. Making several dozen is a lot faster with the danbong.

[Charles Davis]

RE:Hapkido style Combat Canes, A solid Rattan Cane with large crook is hard to beat for self defense. Rattan is slightly flexable but strong. I swung my Rattan cane two handed against a large Oak tree as hard as I could and it did not break. The Golden (Cocus) wood Canes are not as sturdy but some have carved grips and Birds Head designs and are quite attractive. They are also inexspensive.
See www.cdavisgroup.com
for Defensive Canes and Defensive Cane DVD's
Good luck with your search

[torbjork]

Mr. Corchado, Mr. Hiland, thanks for the instructions on how to make the PVC canes! Regarding the sand; I've had the privilege of attending some of Grandmaster West's classes, and it didn't appear to me that the canes he used in his dojang were sand-filled, as they were quite light.

Would it be prudent to make a few canes without the sand filling for those just starting out with the cane? I imagine that a lighter cane will be easier to control end thus cause fewer inadvertent whackings of vict... eh, training partners ;)

EDIT: Oops, didn't notice this thread was three years old before I replied... I'm leaving my question though, as I'm planning an attempt at PVC cane production.

[klaasb]

What I miss in the 'how to make your own PVC cane'-description is a full can of coffee :stirthepot:

[Jeff Burger]

This is a good video.

http://www.coldsteel.com/vdsc.html

[Alain]

Jeff,

I agree that the Cold Steel video is good. A bit more expensive than many out there, but it has some good information. However, there is very little on using a cane with a hook like we do in Hapkido. (If I remember correctly, there was just one small segment with Balaki on the hooked cane)

Regardless, I think this is one of the better cane resources out there. If you put it together with my cane dvds you will have a pretty complete program of straight cane and hooked cane. I use the hooked cane in everything I do with my 2 dvds, but that does not mean a lot of what I do can't be done with a straight cane as well.

There is a short clip and contents of mine here:

http://www.burrese.com/Personal_Security_&_Self_Defense/Products/Hapkido_Cane.htm

The cane is my favorite Hapkido weapon and the one I enjoy teaching the most. It has been gaining a bit of popularity in the last few years, and as people get older, it may gain even more. One thing about the Hapkido Cane is that there are very easy practical techniques and then there are the fancy show techniques. It is fun to know them all, but when it comes down to defending yourself, the basic easy ones are the way to go.

[Jeff Burger]

So Alain how do I get a autographed copy of your videos?

[Charles Davis]

Greetings all
RE inexpensive Hapkido Canes, I sell economy Rattan Canes on my site for $17.95 plus S & H. I personally like the more expensive Fire hardened ones.

For Do Jo practice, I slide a piece of foam pipe wrap on the shaft and fasten with a little electrical tape.
It still hurts to be hit but much safer.
http://www.defensivecanes.cdavisgroup.com
Cheers
Charles E Davis

[Alain]

Jeff,

You can order by credit card from my website www.burrese.com or you can send a check or money order. Address is also on the products page of my site.

If I see the order is from you, I will take the plastic off the DVD and sign the cover.

[Jeff C.]

Dang Jeff - you never asked me to autograph my Mini-cane video! :laugh:

All joking aside, Frank and I have begun production of a t-handle cane for use in self-defense. We have about 25 made; we are going to build up the stock before we put up the weapons website. It is not your normal t-handle. You will be able to hook and snag with ours.

Jeff Cook

[Mst Whalen]

Having taught cane at several seminars including every time I am at master J.R West.s Seminar in Jackson and various other throughout the country .

I try to explain the difference between Real technique and 'DEMO KIDO" I can do both rather well .:bow:

I carry a cane form CVS in the back seat of my truck. it is metal and is one step better than my 1/2 inch 'EMT" bender or conduit bender ,It is more deadly than the cane and legal since I am an Electrician my hook knife can also cause a lot of damage. Unfortunately they gather dust ha ha ...:laugh:

[Jeff Burger]

Dang Jeff - you never asked me to autograph my Mini-cane video!

I was planning on getting one though.
I figured I would run into you at some Budoseek gathering eventually.
Ill probably pop in and visit my student who moved your way and Ill try to grab one then.

I like the idea of the mini cane but unless Im a migit I have no excuse to carry it legally.

[Jeff C.]

I was JOKING about the autograph thing, brother. Yes, the minicane is for LEO/security guard use only, but the good thing is most of those techniques translate quite well to full-size cane.

Let me know when you are coming so I can hook you up with one of our new t-handle canes - and so we can go drink beer and tell lies. :D

Jeff Cook

[Jeff Burger]

I was JOKING about the autograph thing, brother.

I wasnt.
I was a big seminar junky for a long time and got alot of books and videos autographed so I have quite a collection.