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  • Get Rid of the Godai

    There is a saying in Japanese that you find a variation in most languages. "If you try to hunt two rabbits you will catch neither." There is a lesson there for martial artists. Sometimes we do need to expand our viewpoint and move out of the comfort zone we are in. Other times we need to commit to one path rather than chase too many contradictory methods. As I wrote in my blog about patchy Bujinkan, there are many arts that compliment the Bujinkan but there are many others that run counter to what we do. There is nothing wrong with the other arts, but they evolved with a different outlook and strategy and following them is like the Native Americans trying to fight toe to toe in a standing battle with the US Army.

    This lesson is perhaps especially relevant to arts and methods started by people that started out in the Bujinkan, but left and evolved in another direction than what Masaaki Hatsumi wants.
    The best example of this for Bujinkan students is perhaps the godai theory started by Stephen Hayes. Looking at Bujinkan web sites from around the world I can see references to the idea that there is a special mindset the ninja took based on the circumstance based on the five element theory. Despite the fact that Hayes has not been part of the Bujinkan for many years, went his own way and had his name taken down from the honbu on Hatsumi's orders many in the Bujinkan still use the Godai system and try to have their students do things in the mind set of earth, water, fire, wind and void. Many of them think that it is part of the Bujinkan. This is understandable because in the early 80s when Hayes first presented the idea he talked about things like, "the ninja method of viewing the universe" when he spoke and wrote about it. There was no mention that it was a creation of his and not a part of the Bujinkan or what the ninja of history believed in.

    This of course caused a bit of trouble for many people when they visited to Japan and got blank looks of confusion when they tried to ask about it. Early in my 15 year stay in Japan someone used me as a translator to ask the teacher what sort of "feeling" they should have while doing the technique he had just shown. They wanted to know if it was earth, fire, etc. When the teacher finally understood what was being asked he told them straight out that it was not part of the Bujinkan and if they wanted to get skilled in Bujinkan they needed to drop anything like that they learned from Hayes.

    Finally, in March of 1996 in the internet newsletter "Ura and Omote" Hayes made it clear to the world that the Godai was a system totally of his making and not something he learned from the Bujinkan. Despite this, some still think it is part of the lessons of the Bujinkan and use it. To be blunt, it is not and the opinions of the Japanese teachers I interacted with in Japan were unanimous in saying that following it would be a hinderance. Now that Hayes has removed himself from the Bujinkan, his name taken down and Hatsumi's comments that he does not want Bujinkan students following the path of ex students of his it is time we all abandon the Godai system and let it be something for Toshindo students of Hayes.

    Some readers might be asking themselves where the Godai system came from. Let us look at Hayes' own words. In the article he talks about how he was introduced to the terms chi-sui-ka-fu-ku while training in the Bujinkan. We do have the San shin no kata that use them as counters. As Hayes puts it,

    "Everyone else at the dojo assured me that the five elements were just a device for counting as far as they were concerned. Convinced that there had to be more, I continued my cultural detective work. I sought out descendants of the monks and mountain priests allied with the roots of ninjutsu who referred to the five elements in the form of mandala graphics that described like blueprints the human psyche."
    So as far as everyone else at the dojo was concerned, it was nothing more than a system of counting. Hayes made the decision to make it more. In later years Hatsumi was asked by Jeff Ochester about the Godai and Hatsumi confirmed this in the following exchange posted on kutaki.

    Recently I asked Hatsumi Sensei to talk a little about the inner meanings of the San Shin kata. I wanted to know how important is the "Five Elements Mandala Kata" and is it a necessary part of Taijutsu?

    Usually Sensei does not give a straight answer, but for some reason this time he gave it to me on a silver platter. "Oh that's Mikkyo, religion!"

    OK, and how does this relate to Taijutsu? "It doesn't!"
    You can find the original comments at the following site.

    So it should be clear that as far as the Japanese were concerned, the godai were not methods of viewing the universe and a way you should be trying to feel while doing taijutsu. If you want to follow what the Japanese are doing instead of Hayes, then clearly the godai is not something you should be doing.

    I should make a note here about something else Hayes wrote in the same article. He says that the Kihon Happo was not created until the early 80s as a method of teaching foreigners. When I first read this I was confused and asked my teachers about it. They all laughed when asked and pointed out that Hayes did not show up to too many classes and could not speak much Japanese at all. The simplest explanation is that it is another example of a mistake by Hayes because he could not understand what was going on around him. I have been able to find many quotes by Takamatsu in Japanese where he talks about the kihon Happo. Some of them have even been translated into English such as the following,

    "When I was taught the Gyokko Ryu Koshijutsu Kihon Gata, there were in this engendering of
    fundamental form the eight methods. *I was told that this kihon happo is the origin of all budo.
    So I say to you earnestly, you make this the basis and teach it to your students." -Toshitsugu
    Takamatsu as told to Maasaki Hatsumi.
    Takamatsu died in 1973. This was a decade before the time Hayes believes the kihon happo was created. As such, the idea that the Kihon Happo was created in the 80s should be classified with all the other mistakes that Hayes has made over the years such as the idea of the ninja using straight swords, the ninja were an oppressed underclass, etc. Having lived in Japan myself, I can sympathize with not being able to fully understand what was being said and jumping to the wrong conclusion.

    When Hayes was finally made aware of the kihon happo he made the choice to continue to teach his system rather than the way the Japanese preferred the art to be taught. As he put it in Ura and Omote, he had invested too much time and effort at that point into the system to abandon it. The wisdom of this and the impression it gave the Japanese is outside of the scope of this article.

    Suffice to say, having your students do techniques while trying to put themselves in the mindset of fire is not the way the Japanese want you to teach. In my 15 years in Japan I never heard anything closely related to the godai method of mindset. Much of what I learned in Japan convinced me that my Japanese teachers were correct when they said that trying to do the Hayes' method would be a hindrance to understanding the real lessons of the Bujinkan. I have been told to move like water, or a bird, or something else but I have never been told to have a water mindset. The mindset my teachers tried to instill in me was very, very different from what I see in the Godai system invented by Hayes.

    Is the Godai system a useful tool? I honestly do not know, but doubt it. Hayes himself has never seemed to have gotten any experience with criminal violence so there really is nothing he can base the effectiveness on. Hayes is a martial arts teacher, not someone personally experienced with violence or who has made an extensive study of it before coming up with the godai. There are some like Rory Miller and Dave Grossman who have had experience and/or devoted years of their lives to the study of the matter before they put pen to paper. I am not aware of anyone really having studied the Godai and later crediting it with saving their life. I can point to many people in the Bujinkan who have managed to get home safe because of their training and who later used me as a translator to thank the teachers in Japan for what they had been taught. The mere fact that an art has been passed down several generations tends to indicate that there is some proven value in what is being done. As of right now, Hayes' stuff is still in the unproven category and is rather young. The Godai is not found in any other Japanese martial art I have been able to find, so for some reason the warriors that lived and died based on their skill level never touched the ideas Hayes' teaches. If you wish to understand the real mindset Japanese warriors that had to face death actually followed I would recommend books like "Classical Budo" by Donn Draeger, "The Unfettered Mind" by Takuan Soho and several books by Thomas Cleary.

    I was around in the early 80s when Hayes started writing about the five element theory. To those that were not teenagers at the time the significance of the time might need an explanation. Star wars was big in the theaters and Han shot first! There was a movement called survivalism that involved preparation for the end of the world as we know it and post collapse survival that shared space in magazines like "warriors" that also ran articles on ninjutsu. The image that Hayes presented of mystical warriors like the Jedi Knights having to survive as a prosecuted class was a huge draw. Even though it turned out to be a totally mistaken impression, it drew me and many others into the art. While the reality of the ninja and the Bujinkan is simpler, and thus better conforming to the KISS Principle, I can still feel the lure of the image I first had when I started reading about the ninja in Hayes' works. It is far more attractive than boring reality. But like most things of childhood, there is a time when we have to grow by putting aside what we want the world to be and instead accept it as it is. The Bujinkan as a whole, like that child, must give up the godai and follow what Hatsumi actually wants us to learn if we are to be honest in calling ourselves teachers of Bujinkan.
    This article was originally published in blog: Get Rid of the Godai Part 1 started by Don Roley
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    1. Don Roley's Avatar
      Don Roley -
      Here is a bit of an update. In the Ura and Omote article Hayes admitted that the godai system was his creation and not something taught in the Bujinkan in Japan. However, if you look at his early writings, he does not make that distinction. Take a look at page 25 of the following, second paragraph.

      http://books.google.com/books?id=edI...page&q&f=false

      You will see that he describes the four element theory as being part of Togakure ryu ninjutsu. Thus people thought that the Godai was part of the traditional system instead of what Hayes came up with. The reason for the false conclusion is clear.
    1. Tony Dismukes's Avatar
      Tony Dismukes -
      It seems that your original blog posting on the topic from 8/15 has been deleted, along with my response, so I think I'll post my story on the topic again:

      The light dawned for me back at the first San Francisco Tai Kai sometime in the late 80's. I had been waiting for the Q&A period and had considered all kinds of questions for Hatsumi sensei. Finally I decided that since I was a lowly 9th kyu, I should forgo the questions about advanced techniques and ask something about the most fundamental basics. Based on what I had been taught, that was the godai.

      When I asked Hatsumi to comment on the significance of the godai, both he and the translator seemed confused as to what I was talking about. Jack Hoban started to jump in with an explanation for the translator - "That's just something we came up with over here..." but Steve immediately hushed him. There was some quick discussion in Japanese, then Hatsumi (through the translator) provided some sort of diplomatic non-answer. (Something like "Don't worry about it. Just keep training.")

      Later on some of the Hayes loyalists among my fellow students insisted that the confusion was just that Steve had created the specific physical techniques of the godai no kata, but that the underlying concept was part of the Bujinkan. Based on the reaction to my question, I was pretty certain that was not the case.

      I did think that the fundamental concept was an interesting one. As I understood it, the idea was that we will always have some sort of instinctive emotional/physical response to a combat situation. If we can use physical techniques which don't conflict with those instinctive responses, then we have a better chance of success. Moshe Feldenkrais employed a similar concept when he was teaching self-defence in the 1920's, although his application was more scientific and pragmatic than Hayes's approach. In any case, I thought it a shame that Steve wasn't open about what he had created versus what he was taught.
    1. Webmaster's Avatar
      Webmaster -
      Quote Originally Posted by Tony Dismukes View Post
      It seems that your original blog posting on the topic from 8/15 has been deleted, along with my response, so I think I'll post my story on the topic again:
      My apologies Tony. When we converted Don's post to an article, failed to grab the accompanying responses.