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It has occured to me a while ago, at the beginning of my wing chun career that there were many different... areas of wing chun... All in all, i'd like to ask your opinions on the differences between the off-shoots.
Personally, I can't stand Leung Ting and all his works. I rather think he has soiled the name of wing chun. I'm also rather dissappointed in that Emin Boztepe guy. But, you know... bad teacher equals bad students. :bandit:
Check around as there are other threads on this topic.
Cheung, Ting, Bozetepe gave Wing Chun a bad name...politics, name calling and street fighting.
Jeff
Yip Man would have been proud! :D
There is hardly any MA organization that has not succumbed to the same malaise. So much for all the chest bounding on how MA builds character. Kind of reminding me of the old saying,"Do as I say, but not as I do. " :D
thanks for the help! I'll be sure to look around
I have seen so many different hybrid styles of wing chun and william cheung is my grandmaster. Some may say that because the style is not traditional wing chun that it will not work. I think different all about not just wing chun but any style. My friend train in wing tsun leung ting system and I Train in wing chun william cheung system. It is true wing chun has been tour apart but just as I told my friend there are those that try to put it back together. There are some who try to give it a better background a background where their is no foolish master saying that my style of wing chun is better. My friend and I train together sometimes and I sometimes teach him things that wing tsun may not even have and he sometimes teach me thinks that wing chun may not have.
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The Chinese have a saying...
Mo Lum Yat Ga
Martial Forest One Family.
In other words there are many ways & versions of doing & expressing the same thing. Wing Chun & all of the other factionalized & politiczed CMAs would do good to remember this...
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hi i do ving tsun (leung ting system)
this is gona be stupid to say but what is the original form of ving tsun or wing chun or whatever you want to call it.
and again a not so rigth question what would be the most effective do you think? which ones do you think have been just destroyed over the years and which one would you say is the most preseverd?
im kind of a bigginer in it but when i see the other guys spar it looks very good so i will carry on but its kind of annoying poeple saying annoying when you hear that theres different forms which migth be better then yours :)
Wing Tsun is leung Ting system and Ving Tsun I do not know to much about but to me all of them work.
sorry i got mixed up before i do ving tsun (VT) or whatever ever the spell is and its Wong shun leung system.
I was going to do lueng ting system but i met a few poeple who did that system (lueng tings) for about 2 - 4 years. And they really didnt recommend it because they said that the wong shun leung system is much better.
personally i dont no much but im happy so far with the VT wong shun leungs system.
What is the core difference?
From what i know the way they move the hands and arms are the same but i think its lower and higher aint it?
and also i hear that one pays more attention to the arm then the wrist. and vice verse for the other one.
i would like to be enligthen abit more so if you can post back about the differences that would be good.
I have not seen to much of ving tsun but I know in wing tsun they protect the center alittle lower then wing chun. I will tell you this all three work as long as you train hard. I practice wing chun william cheung system , my friend and my girl friend practice wing tsun leung ting system. For some one may be better then the other but I have seen wing chun fighters do some very hardcore things and same with wing tsun fighters.
[QUOTE=Iron Monkey]My friend train in wing tsun leung ting system and I Train in wing chun william cheung system. QUOTE]
I've only known wing chun to come form yip man.
what other systems are there ?
leung ting, william cheung, wong shun leung, and mi sifu chris chan (chan shing) were all students of yip man (ignoring politics). Leung ting modified his for whatever reason (most likely individualized the system), william cheung claims to have the one and only true wing chun, wong shun leaung is world famous for his wing chun and power. He was the one who mostly trained Bruce Lee (many funny stories about Bruce attempting to get private lessons with him) and my sifu probably individualized the style as well. ok. now it gets complicated. Many feel that leung ting has turned wing chun into a money making mcKwoon sort of thing. Sacrificing technique for show. Wong shun leung's school rather stays out of the politics of it to a degree, as does my sifu, but william cheung as mentioned earlier, claims to be the true inheritor of the yip man lineage. In response, Leung ting claimed the same, as did about 50 other yip lineage practitioners. Anyways... Leung ting and William Chung being the most vocal about their claims, leung ting's lineage has come under attack many times because he spent most of his years training with a guy named Kalvin Kwok (I'm not sure if that's the guy). And only trained yip man for about a year or something. William cheung, meanwhile issued an open challenge to any and all to try to beat him. One of leung ting's students, looking to ingratiate himself with his sifu, and to bring honor to himself and his system, travelled long and far, and tackeled william cheung after accepting his chalenge (even though mr. cheung turned him down). What resulted was a ridiculous fight that shamed both of them. In an attempt to save face, leung ting cast forth the student that tackeled mr cheung (his name was emin boztepe) who started his own federation, mixing wing tsun with escrima after teaming up with rene latoza.Leung ting is still dealing with his questionable lineage, william cheung is nursing a wounded ego, and mr. boztepe keeps issuing challenges only to not show. How truly wonderful.
But honestly, none of the politics really bothers me. I don't like leung ting or william cheung systems, 'cause i don't like corporate martial arts, and i don't think they focus at all enough on power or base. Very flow-y and fast, but i don't like their angles, and they've little to back up their punch. but i suppose those guys develop that over time or something.
Hope that's accurate, I'd check the facts. I know i'm not the most informed person in the world, and i could be wrong.
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All I can say is I love all three wing chun, wing tsun and ving tsun.
i've nothing against the systems. I've just got stuff against the way that they've represented themselves. Any system is effective, and should be equally respected. :bandit:
I agree all systems should be respected