Ki & Chi?

**StanLee** · 06-14-2005, 07:27

In your opinions,do you think that there is a distinct difference between ki and chi? Or do you think there are "grey" areas where the two concepts overlap?

**Pero** · 06-14-2005, 07:56

Do you mean ki - japanese and chi - chinese?
I think that they basically mean the same thing. But I think that ki in Japan is a wider concept than chi in China.

**StanLee** · 06-14-2005, 08:46

Originally Posted by Pero

Do you mean ki - japanese and chi - chinese?
I think that they basically mean the same thing. But I think that ki in Japan is a wider concept than chi in China.

Yes I do mean japanese ki and chinese chi.

I posted this question because I had once read somewhere that the two aren't quite the same.

Any other takers on this one??? A more detailed explaination?

Cheers

The Nephilim · 06-14-2005, 08:58

Personally, I think they are the same. It is still the internal energy of the body, but in a different manner.

One country and philosophy goes deeper into the meaning than the other yet in the holistic view, both are in essence, the same feel regardless of wording.

**moksha** · 06-14-2005, 09:12

StanLee,

Ki, and Chi are the same. The Chinese Kanji no matter if it is read by a Chinese person, or a Korean it has the same meaning. The only difference is the pronunciation of the Kanji. The both mean Body, and Mind together. Hope that helps.

**Whiskey Jack** · 06-14-2005, 09:54

I'm sure that if you get down to a very microscopic cultural level you can find differences between the concepts. Just as you'll find minor differences in the cultural interpretation of "heart" in the different European countries. The similarities, however, generally outweigh the differences by so large a degree that, unless we're debating the finer points of theology/philosophy, we can use them pretty interchangably.

For that matter, in an ecumenical MA discussion you could probably lump the Brazilian idea of Axé in as well. Its application in the martial arts doesn't differ too significantly.

**total-immortal** · 06-16-2005, 20:09

It's just the bodys energy that flows through it and sustains it as far as I've known. Ki and Chi, two different names same basic meaning/idea.

**Kimpatsu** · 07-30-2005, 07:19

The words "ki" (Japanese) and "chi" (Chinese) are the same; they are written with the same character. Where the concept is perhaps more greatly bound up in Japanese culture is that the standard Japanese greeting for "how are you" is "how is your ki?" ("O-genki desuka"), whereas the standard Chinese greeting is "Have you had your meal?"
Make of that what you will.

**Kimpatsu** · 07-31-2005, 17:53

Originally Posted by babaker

Energy could be about the energy felt by the senses of one's body, or the energy seen in the movement of objects, or the energy of the atomic particles, or simply the broad descriptive term of anything causes action or movement including the processes of being alive.

This sounds like a woo-woo definition of energy to me. Care to elaborate?

**Gene Williams** · 07-31-2005, 18:10

Dear God!!! Pleeze,pl,pl,pl,pleeeeeze!!! Not Bruce and Tony again. Help!!!!Help!!! Calling all mods! This is not a drill!!!!!

**Kimpatsu** · 07-31-2005, 18:14

Originally Posted by Gene Williams

Dear God!!! Pleeze,pl,pl,pl,pleeeeeze!!! Not Bruce and Tony again. Help!!!!Help!!! Calling all mods! This is not a drill!!!!!

No, it's a hammer, Gene.

**Gene Williams** · 07-31-2005, 18:26

You are right about the woo woo thing, though.

**StanLee** · 08-01-2005, 02:20

Good to have both Tony and Bruce in on this discussion.

I somehow managed to have got into my head that the japanese and chinese each have a different usage for the word.

**Kimpatsu** · 08-01-2005, 08:22

Oh, god it is THE Bruce Baker!
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Bruce, science doesn't admit to the existence of ki/chi. It simply doesn't exist. Anything you say ownstream of that point is therefore pseudoscientific, and nonsense. If you can demonstrate the existence of this mystical force, you'll win $1 million and a Nobel prize. So why not go for it?

**Mandeigh Wells** · 08-01-2005, 08:37

http://www.ipn.at/ipn.asp?AQB

**Mandeigh Wells** · 08-01-2005, 08:40

http://www.chiexplorer.com/newsletters/084/084_A.html

**Kimpatsu** · 08-01-2005, 09:02

Mandeigh, directing me to those woo-woo sites don't help. The first site was classic pseudoscience, right down to the misuse of the word "energy". The sites prove nothing. Have the authors submit their claims to a peer-reviewed journal, such as "Nature" or "The Lancet". Then I'll start to take their claims seriously.

**Mandeigh Wells** · 08-01-2005, 09:31

Oh yes how silly of me, I forgot, you don't accept any input that doesn't conform to the slenderest most minimal supposed scientific evidence collectors that you subscribe too.......and the continually changing goal posts of course.....why is that? Because you don't want to ever find out if this stuff exsists in reality, because the only person who is wooo wooo is you. I love the term 'peer-reviewed' its a bit like the police policing themselves. It would appear that there are people the world over running scientific tests on a variety of your wooo wooo subjects, some of there findings are very interesting indeed, but not that that would ever matter to you Tony, its far more comfortable for you to sit back and use the old chestnut...collect your million $$$ here. You are a one trick pony Tony.

By the very fact of your non acceptance of qi/chi/ki (or insert any number of Tony's favourite woo wooo subjects here) whatever term any one wants to give it, regardless of anyones experirments, makes you something of a non-expert really. You are a classic example not so much of a skeptic, cos a skeptic at least has an open mind, but of an individual with a very narrow vision, based on the current limitations of the scientific industry....... I prefer to live in a world of possibilities.....whether they are measurable yet or not.....

**Gene Williams** · 08-01-2005, 09:39

Trick pony...

I like that.

**Kimpatsu** · 08-01-2005, 09:57

Mandeigh, your lack of understanding is science is certainly extensive, but all you are doing is showing yourself up. I like your claim about the "police policing themselves"; it is in the very nature of the science to be self-correcting. Your woo-woo sites do not conform to even the basic nations of how to examine phenomena; for a start, the ki test was not even double-blinded!
Getting angry does nothign to change the facts: these people are full of nonsense. Their claims do not hold water. If they really did, why have these people never won the $1 million, and a Nobel prize? The real woo-woo idea is that scientists are somehow engaged in a vast conspircacy to conceal the Truth as you see it. Nothing could be more wrong, particularly as the way a scientist makes a reputation is by proving their forerunners incorrect. Belief in such conspiricies, however, is yet another fact of woo-wooism, in which reality is just too hard a pill to swallow.
Just do me a favour, and apply for the $1 million. I look forward to reading your propsoed protocol.

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