COMBAT SURVIVAL-Commando KRAV MAGA

[Erik]

Just Zionists, who are viscious, racist, and violent (and violence ties in with MAs), and who get $5 billion of my taxes every year while I cannot get healthcare on my own no matter how much I am willing to pay.

I have no problem with Jews - have nice friends, a great boss, and some delightful relatives. There's a big difference between the two.

On another note, so what's the deal with "melting" instead of slapping out?

Could someone elaborate on this, please?

[G Hendrix]

A. The avatar is a member of the IDF Special Forces.

B. Krav Maga is Israeli combat art. Born and tested in fire and hell.

C. The people of Israel and the IDF deeply regret the lost of innocent lives, and have done everything possible to minimize the casualties of war. A war that is imposed upon Israel.

D. The State of Israel has gone out of its way to avoid civilian casualties. But the enemies have purposely targeted civilian.

E. Palestinian children are sacrificed by terrorists and their masterminds. Their blood is on the hands of those perpetrators.

F. There are no slackers in the elite forces. You can't pull your weight, you wouldn't even make the cut.

H. Those are the facts. Virulent venom from out of main stream sources, change nothing. Much like a mad dog barking at the mountain.

[G Hendrix]

Have you ever served?

Or is that little facist Rambo photo not you?

Jeeze, man, there are slacker Rangers, PJs, SEALs, Special Forces guys, Foreign Legionaries, GSG9, and so on.

Not lots, of course, but you can find them anywhere. I'll introduce you to a few if you like.

And I hate to say it, but the H2H training has little to do with which unit it's being taught to and more to do with how many of what kind of instructors happen to be around a given base. This topic has been talked about a lot here but the posts are probably old and deeply burried. Maybe Jeff C. (an Army Combatives instructor) can explain it.

Or were you the guy who was telling him about Army H2H training...? Maybe it was that Richard guy, I forget.

Either stay with the facts and issues or you can take your racist remark and shove it up your you know what.

[Nin]

I think this is getting a bit politicra*! Please let's stick to the main issue, for others please PM.
BudoSeek! forum (Mods correct me if wrong) is a martial arts forum.

[Erik]

A, B, C, whatever.

I remember reading the same stuff from Goebbels in German.

Now come on out to San Francisco and I'll be glad to hand your candy *** back to you.

I'll even introduce you to a slacker PJ who can try put it back on for you, but I wouldn't trust him myself as he's a slacker despite his special operations pedigree.

As per Samy's post, we can resolve the rest of this with PM.

[G Hendrix]

Let me get to the point. I don't care for the way you conduct yourself. I don't care for what you have to say. I have nothing to say to you, in public nor in PM.

.....Now come on out to San Francisco and I'll be glad to hand your candy *** back to you.

I'll even introduce you to a slacker PJ who can try put it back on for you, ...........

Your threat is both meaningless and empty, and is a violation of forum rules.


My apology to the Benevolent Dictator, for this confrontation in his house.

[G Hendrix]

For some background information on various Israeli combat arts.

http://www.realfighting.com/issue6/nardiaframe.html

For some insight on the work of YAMAN,

http://www.avinardia.com/Behind.htm


The info will offer a glimpse of the life and death struggle in the holyland.

[TIRAGION]

Don't apologise Hendrix; I'm sure Erik has a few black friends too..., and I'm sure when a 12 year old kid will walk into a restaurant where he is sitting with his family and blow himself and half of his family away he will still talk about poor innocent kids. Erik you have no idea what goes on in Israel nor do you have any idea what it is like to be a minority or be hated for your race, nationality or religion. So even though this is not my house but Benevolent Dictators I will say this ***SHUT UP*** when you have nothing smart to say. If you don't like Moni or you don't like his DVD you have a full right to state your opinion, on another hand if you have a problem with him 'cause he is a Jew you got a problem with me. I know I may be wrong for saying this in an MA forum, but a man alot better then me once said "For evil to triumph, all good man must do is remain silent" . As far as I am concerned you owe apology to the Jews and to the Arabs who have lost their lives in this stupid war. But for many of us that war is real and you should keep your remarks and your racism out of this forum and to yourself.

Alexander Rakita

[Nin]

and I'm sure when a 12 year old kid will walk into a restaurant where he is sitting with his family and blow himself and half of his family away he will still talk about poor innocent kids.

Sorry but you're showing a great lack of knowledge here. IF you'd know slightly about the situation you'd like to mention as well the Israëlian army destroying houses on Palestinian territory (not carring if someone inside), then claiming it as Israëlian territory.
So please cut it off, this is a war that has been everlasting, there's no one "better" than the others. Isralëlian soldiers shoot down kids, Palestinians blow kids. Both kill, if you claim one is superior it'd be either lack of knowledge or biased opinion. I don't have anything against both "sides" as I'm part of none of them, but I've been in the army, but I can say that this war isn't something that can be solved by "we're good they're bad".
As a famous French actor said: "When you don't know, shut up".

Plus it is definetly not the place to talk about. So everyone I think this trash should be kept somewhere else than a Martial Art forum, this is not "PoliticSeek!".

PS: sorry for appearing harsh there's no willing
to make this post hotter but to get attention back
on its original topic.

[TIRAGION]

Read the second to last sentence Samy, I never said Israelis don't hurt palestinians. My remarks were to Erik's statement but if you wish to second his remarks it applies to you too. As I said don't bring attrocities of war to the forum and say one side is right and one side is wrong. They both are WRONG,,and I'm a JeW and I have no problem saying it, THEY ARE BOTH WRONG... But I will not allow anyone you , Erik , no-one to put blame on Israel for wanting to survive when for every one israeli there are 50 arabs. If you have anything else you want to say to me say it in PM. This thread is already way way of original topic

Alexander Rakita

[Sgathak]

This has gone politcal. Political discussions are NOT allowed on Budoseek.

Drop it NOW.

The next person to post - for or against - the political situation in the middle east will find themselvs taking a break from Budoseek.

[Sgathak]

Erik, to answer your question regarding slap vs melt... please check the RMA section. Ill write something up, Jay and Jeff (and who ever else) can add their 2 cents there.

[Nin]

This has gone politcal. Political discussions are NOT allowed on Budoseek.

Drop it NOW.

The next person to post - for or against - the political situation in the middle east will find themselvs taking a break from Budoseek.

I sincerly apologize to the BudoSeek! staff and its member for participating into this.

Peace.

[Jeff Burger]

Id still like to know if Gabriel ever served.


"Krav Maga is Israeli combat art. Born and tested in fire and hell."
Yeah every martial art in the world can say that.

The videos IMHO stunk.

Jeff

[Sgathak]

Asking a guy for his credentials is fair play...

[G Hendrix]

The Combat Survival DVDs in question are Moni Aizik's rendition of Krav Maga. They are not 'the one and only' Krav Maga. Krav Maga is a generalized term for Israeli combat arms. To criticise Krav Maga is like to criticise Karate. To say that Moni's Combat Survival sucks, is like saying Joe's Karate sucks. May be it does suck. I don't know. I have not seen his DVDs. Even if that is true then it is just Moni's rendition of Krav Maga that sucks.

Here is an overview of Krav Maga. It explains it a lot clearer. http://www.edgecombatfitness.com/Kravmaga.htm


Now, No where on this thread have I made any statement in support of, nor in criticism of the technical merits of the DVDs in discussion. Therefore, I fail to see how or why my service record is relevant to the topics at hand. Why come bitching at me over what someone thinks of the DVD's? Some of you said it is almost the same materials they teach. Some of you said it is almost identical to Systema. I, on the other hand, have made no comment on the technical merits of Moni's Combat Survival whatsoever. So?


If you read my posts, they clearly stated my objection is not to the criticism of the merit of Moni's Combat Survival, but rather to the absurd, bizzare, irrelevant and groundless political accusation heaped upon it.

The only thing I mentioned about Krav Maga is that, the generalized term for Israeli combat arts, is born and tested in combat. There is no refute of that fact. It is basic, efficient and effective. But the IDF has no delusion that it is the super-duper ultimate force multiplier. If anything, KM combatives instructors in the IDF are not occupying a high position. That is an indication of the relative lack of significance of the job. If there is any delusion, that is the result on the part of the people commercializing it.

[Sgathak]

Actually, I said that the material shown on the clips LOOKED like combat effective Systema. However that is ONLY what was on the clips... which leave plenty of "gray areas". I have never seen the videos, and from what I hear, the training methodology is quite different. So try not to put words in my mouth.

You were directly asked about what military experience you have. Please answer the question.

[G Hendrix]

I am sorry if I misstated your posts on the topics.


While I don't feel I have to answer the question, however as a matter of courtesy, I will share that I am not a US citiizen and I have never served in the US armed forces. My professional endeavour is in analysis. That is the most I have to say on this.

[Jeff Burger]

Gabriel
Have you served was brought up cause you made comments about special forces members.
While that could have been answered with a easy yes or no you chose to dance around the subject.
It reminds me of something Spock said in a Star Trek episode. "I never ceased to amazed at woman's ability to not answer a direct question."


"While I don't feel I have to answer the question, however as a matter of courtesy, I will share that I am not a US citiizen and I have never served in the US armed forces. My professional endeavour is in analysis. That is the most I have to say on this."

Oh...are we to think its so secret you cant talk about it?


Joe Ill send you the DVDs if you want, I have no use for them.
However after starting to read "Your Money or Your life" I think you may not want the clutter or the clatter.

Jeff

[G Hendrix]

I am so ready for this KM stuff to dissappear from the whole trendy MA scene.

I ussually dont get envolved with trashing another style.
But I dont consider KM to be a style.
I dont have anything good to say about KM.
I dont see any legitimate link to a history of MA.
Close Quarter Combat is going to be simple in nature due to the level of adrenaline envolved in the real deal.
To package some thing with a name and try to attach a Cultural background to it is a marketing sceam and no serious martial artist is going to come near it.

I sure dont think it is appropriate to post an advertisement for anything in a forum like this on your first post.

I dont think there is any need to be friendly to some one who has disrepected all of us with this KM BS.

If you want to be able to defend yourself from a larger more agressive person join a reputable Martial Arts school and devote four years of your life to training hard three days a week.
Then you might have something to say that a serious martial artist might listen too.

Statements such as these reflect upon the authors.

There is one good point, however. I do agree that there are posters who came here to pitch their products on their first post. And a lot of time, in their only posts. May be there should be a rule against that.