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    Default Looking for History of the Nunchucks or Bo Staff?

    Just woundering if anyone knows of a website that has the history of the Nunchucks and the history of the Bo Staff??

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    Wouldn't this be a better post for Japanese weapons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteBeltJones
    Wouldn't this be a better post for Japanese weapons?
    Close. Okinawan weapons.
    Try here
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    The bo is not just an Okinawan weapon. It was used by the Chinese and Koreans also. In fact, the Muye Do Bo Tongi describes a seven foot long staff known as a "Kon Bong" that was often equipped with lethal object such as needles or blades. In modern martial arts, the Korean Bo is a eighty inch long staff known as a "Jang Bong" which is Korean for "Long Stick."

    This site (http://www.lawrenceks.net/index.cfm?page=18) list several korean weapons from the Muye Do Bo Tongi including the Kon bong. Nowhere in the Muye Do Bo Tongi is the nunchucks listed, meaning that they were not used by the Korean Royal Court. If the nunchucks were used by the Koreans, then they would have appeared in the tribul martial arts of Korea. Now the Muye Do Bo Tongi does list a weapon similiar to the nunchucks called the infantry flail, but its not a nunchuck. (Pyung Kon I think)

    This thread has caught my attention in regards to the nunchucks. Are the nunchucks really Korean weapons? Well, time to do some more research.

    This site has a lot of history on the Okinawan Bo in general. http://www.bo-staff.com/history_of_the_bo.html
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    He asked about the Bo and Nunchakus specifically..
    No matter who copies them or where their influences are from they are still Okinawan weapons.
    If he'd asked about the staff or three sectional staff, then it would have been a different story.
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    Uhm, isn't "bo" japanese for staff? And BTW, an excerpt from one of the abstracts from the website that I posted in my previous post says, "The bo, or staff, is probably one of the first weapons that mankind used to defend himself. The history of the bo dates back millennia, and is thought to be used first in China." According to this excerpt, the staff is originally a chinese weapon.

    As you can probably see, Okinawa isn't the only country that had a staff weapon. Pretty much every section of the world had a staff weapon. Such as the European Quarter Staff, Korean Jang/Kon Bong, the Chinese staff (dubbed by the Chinese as the "Father of all weapons), and the staff used by Buhdist(<spelt right?) monks.

    You cannot just study the history of just one style of a weapon. You have to study the history of different styles of the same weapon. If you want to study the history of the weapon, then you need to also find where it probably originated, its influences, and where and how it's been used.

    As for the nunchucks, all I was saying in my last post is that there is evidence that the Koreans had a similiar weapon. Not the nunchucks themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire
    You cannot just study the history of just one style of a weapon. You have to study the history of different styles of the same weapon.
    Wow. Why not? Sounds like an arbitrary law to me. I am fairly confident that you can, indeed, study the history of just one style of a weapon, with nearly* zero negative repercussions.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasputin
    Wow. Why not? Sounds like an arbitrary law to me. I am fairly confident that you can, indeed, study the history of just one style of a weapon, with nearly* zero negative repercussions.
    True. I agree.
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    Robinhood swung a mean staff

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterstaff
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    Default Origin of staff

    I believe the origin of the staff was from God . . .

    Ps 23:4 "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me."

    (I think the "rod" was one of those "hide-a-chucks" that unscrew in the middle)

    Of course, I believe everything we know, or think we know, comes from God, and is already there in nature. We did not invent this stuff. We are just discovering it for the first time, or the hundred millionth time in history.

    Here's my answer ~

    History of the staff among humans: Once, a long time ago, someone picked up a stick, and hit someone with it.

    History of the Nunchakku among humans: Once, not so long ago, someone tied two sticks together and hit someone with it.

    Who was the first person to ever hit someone with a stick? I think it was Fred Flintsone hitting Barney Rubble (or vice-versa)

    Who was the first person to create a series of skilled moves and teach those moves to another person? I don't know. I doubt that anyone knows the exact first time this happened, or on what continent. It probably predated written history although there might be some cave paintings that suggest an origin.

    Who was the first to tie two sticks together and hit someone? I don't know that either, but I am sure there is someone who could give you an exact date, time, location, type of wood and rope used, and the first, middle and last names of those involved. Then they will proceed to tell you the exact documented lineage down the their very own personal Grandmaster who shared this knowledge with them in secret! Perhaps they can also tell you why the call them "numb chucks."

    Just having a little fun!

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    The invention of the Staff followed shortly after the Creation of Bureaucratium - the heaviest known element in the Universe.
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