Women training with men

**Cla68** · 01-13-2006, 10:38

Originally Posted by TonyU

I did that once too. Not only did he charge me (criminaly) he sued me and the school too.

That's the first time I've heard a story like that. Can you talk about what the results were from both the criminal and civil legal processes? I would be interested in hearing more if you can talk about it.

**a_lyn** · 01-27-2006, 22:54

As a woman in martial arts, I prefer training with men. Generally, most women's ki energy is lacking or over exagerated in training.

**Eliz** · 01-30-2006, 10:48

Originally Posted by a_lyn

As a woman in martial arts, I prefer training with men. Generally, most women's ki energy is lacking or over exagerated in training.

Everyone has an opinion based on their own personal experience, that is the beauty of a forum.

How many women have you trained with? Perhaps it is just my good fortune that I have trained with some really incredible female Martial Artists. When we gear-up, I don't believe gender is something that is on the fore front of everyone's mind. We don't go around the room and pick out our favorites, it is an advanced adult class and we train in a 'round robin - every student trains with every student.

**a_lyn** · 01-30-2006, 16:29

Eliz- I have only trained with a handful of women. Perhaps, it is also because of their inexperience that I prefer training with men. I have been in martial arts for only 2 1/2 years myself. There are no women black belts or black sashes where I train. I too train with everyone available in my classes.

**Erik** · 01-30-2006, 17:21

Tony & Richard, what's "lowering the boom?"

And if you'll write about it, I'd also like to know what happened, Tony.

Originally Posted by dao

I suspect that peeing standing up is over rated

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No, it's not. Sorry, Debra.

It's a great thing!

**Moses Colon** · 01-30-2006, 20:03

Hmm let me say this much i had a female sensei that would make chop liver out of any man in the old dojo she could fight as good and any of the other blacks belt men if not better, and when i came time to exercise she would kick ours butts.
She was a very talented martial artist i believe her name was sensei Elba Laguer very good sensei, i have never meet any other lady sensei so good.
She would give us the run for our money.

**rgoad** · 01-31-2006, 15:54

I think it is a quasi Nautical term: Releasing the sheets (Ropes) so the large boom that attached to the sail falls or swings to the deck. All in the way are struck down.

I basically went at the speed and level of intensity above his ability that he was using on the other students. He did not leave that very session, but required constant refreshers when ever he would slap or punch a woman in the face.

I found out later that he was physically abusive to his girl friend and would hurt and kill small animals, like her puppy. I am glad I did not know that then.

**Margaret Lo** · 02-02-2006, 12:32

Originally Posted by Gene Williams

Women need to work against men..... plus if they train with men as peers they will lose their fear of them.

OR, they will gain a healthy respect/fear/caution for the power/weight/reach advantage men have over women and 1) train to emphasize tai sabaki, ma ai; 2) train in unbalancing/break from hold techniques; 3) train "complimentary techniques" add atemi to aikido, jujutsu to karate; and/or 4) carry a neat little weapon.

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**TonyU** · 02-02-2006, 13:05

Originally Posted by Cla68

That's the first time I've heard a story like that. Can you talk about what the results were from both the criminal and civil legal processes? I would be interested in hearing more if you can talk about it.

Sorry, I missed this.
After being charged I went and counter charged.
After about a year of postponing the court case he agreed to drop the charges if we paid his medical bills.
$2,500.00 later...

**gallygirl** · 02-03-2006, 17:18

I must say that I enjoy sparring with guys! I feel that it gives an extra bit of challenge. In my school we are all mixed up and get a chance to experience what is is like to spar with all different kinds of peole and thier styles. Sometimes I find when we are only paired with the same sex and the smae belt level it can hold you back....but that is just my opinion!

**tyerandolph** · 02-04-2006, 01:57

we treat the women the same as the guys,but if there is a need to modify a drill we do so.i teach as a trainer as well and the women have great power and energy just like a man if not more for those who get lazy and there skill decrease.

**jailess** · 02-04-2006, 06:49

Originally Posted by Margaret Lo

and/or 4) carry a neat little weapon.

They already do. It's that look you give us to let us know we've screwed up, there's no way we can make up for it, you're going to be mad at us for the next 2 weeks, you're going to tell all your friends we're a b*stard and NO WAY are you going to tell us what we've done.

Originally Posted by a_lyn

Generally, most women's ki energy is lacking or over exagerated in training.

What do you mean by this? That they're overaggressive or less so? They're less strong? Slower? Poorer technique?

If you meant over/underaggressive, we have a similar situation in our Dojo. The girls are either timid about training, or hamfisted and techniqueless. Is Techniqueless a word? Oh, well, you know what I mean. It must stop at some point, though; our assistant instructor's a female Shodan and is just the right balance of aggressive and good technique. Good instructor, too.

**Kat** · 02-04-2006, 09:19

[QUOTE=jailess]They already do. It's that look you give us to let us know we've screwed up, there's no way we can make up for it, you're going to be mad at us for the next 2 weeks, you're going to tell all your friends we're a b*stard and NO WAY are you going to tell us what we've done.

**dao** · 02-04-2006, 12:14

Originally Posted by Kat

if the woman isnt able to keep her guard up. and noone should laugh if a woman hits a man either...that disrespects the womans effort and makes the man look like a fool. this shouldnt happen in a class and is just wrong.

One of the things that drives me crazy when sparring with men is when I do something well and its assumed that the man I'm sparring against did something wrong instead of the fact that I did something right.

**Shien** · 02-05-2006, 10:17

Hiya...

I'm a total newbie, about to have my first Judo session next week. I've been along to watch a couple of times and so far I've been the only girl in the place. I'm pretty overweight, and really self conscious about it and to be honest I prefer the idea of being the only girl there. Blokes are (generally) less worried about the same things that us girls get insecure over, and as a few people have pointed out - it's more likely that you'll have to defend yourself against someone bigger and stronger than you in a real-life situation anyway. So, although I can imagine it may be a bit awkward the first few times you're up and close and personal with a member of the oposite sex, I'm really pleased I'll be in the minority at my club. Looking forward to next Tuesday!!

**Eliz** · 02-05-2006, 12:41

Welcome to BudoSeek!

Best of luck with the Judo.

**Shien** · 02-05-2006, 15:10

Thanks!

**rgoad** · 02-07-2006, 11:24

How do you handle men using crude language? It may or may not offend someone personally, but it does disrupt the training environment. Where I workout we have a rule about language and even the occasional expletive uttered under stress is taboo.

I ask because my daughter, who is 18, is travelling to workout with a group that is, as far as I can tell, all male. They are very nice people, but are prone to colourful language that involves sexual allusion.

Can you offer some tips on how to handle this tactfully before going nuclear? I am not a good source as I just tell people to watch their ******* mouths, which defeats the purpose.

**Eliz** · 02-07-2006, 14:28

Originally Posted by rgoad

How do you handle men using crude language? It may or may not offend someone personally, but it does disrupt the training environment. Where I workout we have a rule about language and even the occasional expletive uttered under stress is taboo.

I ask because my daughter, who is 18, is travelling to workout with a group that is, as far as I can tell, all male. They are very nice people, but are prone to colourful language that involves sexual allusion.

Can you offer some tips on how to handle this tactfully before going nuclear? I am not a good source as I just tell people to watch their ******* mouths, which defeats the purpose.

Tell them to watch their [*blipping*] language....

jk

If that level of conduct is accepted overall, it speaks volumes of the training facility. I would look elsewhere. If it is just one or two students, I would confront them. I have had to catch a few of my own explatives from time to time. There really is no room in a professional environment for continued obsenities or sexual innuendos.

**rgoad** · 02-07-2006, 15:55

Thanks Eliz, that's why you were one of my favourite posters.

Seriously, these guys aren't harassing anyone, they aren't innuendo. More like off color expletives or allusions. Nothing demeaning, seriously. In fact, the folks I have dealt with have been really good folks, that's part of why she wants to go workout with them.

My daughter tends to be quiet and serious. She speaks her mind, however, and I would just like to give her some pre-arranged phrases to use.