Ninja components to Koryu arts?

[Kevin]

Well, a link from another thread here by Mr. Carver brought up something interesting.

http://web.archive.org/web/200302021.../ninjutsu.html

In the article, the author makes referance to two koryu-list arts that have a "ninja" component: Katori Shinto-ryu and Tatsumi-ryu Hyoho.

Do anyone on here know what this stuff is and what similarities, if any, it bears to Hatsumi's art?

[Jay Bell]

Well, a link from another thread here by Mr. Carver brought up something interesting.

http://web.archive.org/web/200302021.../ninjutsu.html

In the article, the author makes referance to two koryu-list arts that have a "ninja" component: Katori Shinto-ryu and Tatsumi-ryu Hyoho.

Do anyone on here know what this stuff is and what similarities, if any, it bears to Hatsumi's art?

I've *read* in the past that there were components in the two schools to counter shinobi tactics. Maybe someone else with more contact with these schools has some more information on it. If memory serves, KSR has a 'shinbojutsu' section of training.

[fifthchamber]

The real problem in that question is that things like that are only taught at an advanced level to practitioners if taught at all. By that stage one is so "inside" the school that one would certainly not post things like that online. That's not the way that Koryu operates. I am sure that people do know.. But equally sure that nothing will be said of any benefit to others here online.
Regards.

[Don Roley]

I've *read* in the past that there were components in the two schools to counter shinobi tactics.

I think Hayes was the guy to start saying that. It is not true.

For example, the Katori Shinto ryu AFAIK has nothing to do with espionage or recruiting agents like the ninjutsu schools of Iga and Koga. But it does have some stuff for doing recon if needed. They call it ninjutsu, but it does not cover all the stuff you would find in a "ninjutsu" school. They have a lot of other things that they concentrate more on and do better.