03-23-2007, 13:43 #21
Originally Posted by Taorio
If you have practical advice on ChiGung feel free to share it with us.
I'm quite interseted in the practice but have only had a few classes.
I'd almost call it Chinese Yoga.....Fair analogy?
03-23-2007, 14:08 #22
Sorry, I fell to my base desires...!
We have been studying it for about 18 months. ...Maybe 2 years now.
Chinese yoga?.......maybe kinda.
I would say that the mindset, the visualizations, the meditations, and all things inside the noggin are VERY similar. The big difference would be the physical part.
In Qigong you will not see as many of the 'poses' or asanas. Im not sure there are any at all. What you will see is more what I would call a mini tai chi form that would be practiced alone and in repetition. Sometimes you can link many together to form what an outsider would observe as a Tai Chi looking form. Each 'mini form' has a very specific purpose.
Like Yoga, sitting meditation is a big part of it. The study of the human anatomy and how its all linked is also big.
So, I would say at a high level the biggest difference would be what you are physically doing.
Also, Yoga, at its base, is really a spiritual path. Its not just exercise. This was a surprise to me. I had no idea. Once I started researching it, I discovered that the 'Yoga' that we all think of is just the tip of the iceberg of a spiritual system. I would say its much like the shaolin temples that, in addition to studying Kung Fu, practice a strict budhist code and path.
Now, I want to say also, that I am not as versed in Yoga. I just started researching and studying it in Jan. I even started a class to see what its all about. Anyway, take my knowledge with a grain of salt or two.
My biggest challenge with Qigong it is its not very physical. I like to sweat. My mind is often like a squirl cage and its still hard for me to slow it down unless things are just right. I find Yoga harder physically - way harder. I find Qigong harder mentally.
Anyhooo... blah blah blah.
Last edited by Taorio; 03-23-2007 at 14:15.
03-25-2007, 10:08 #23
I took Tai Chi for about 4 months so I'm not an expert, but it is very calming and I can see where it would be good for lowering blood pressure and is good exercise for those who are older or have some sort of movement disorder. I personally found it too slow for my taste and I think I get the same benefit from doing my karate kata. But that's just my opinion.
03-25-2007, 10:27 #24
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To me kata is not just about physical all the time. Sometimes on most stressful days I perform a few kata and it helps me get some relief. As our former member Gene used to say all the time, it can be like "moving meditation"."I don't lift, too heavy. I don't run, too far. I just hit people.
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03-25-2007, 21:30 #25
We use qigong at the end of our kung fu lessons as a warm down.....to relax the muscles and steady our breathing.
I also don't know a lot about qigong and should look into it a bit more. From my understanding the qigong theory is that exercise generates a certain type of qi and by performing qigong after excercise helps to distribute the qi evenly throughout your body. Perhaps someone with more knowledge can clarify this.
Even if you do not submit to the idea of qi I think you could find qigong beneficial to your martial arts routine for focusing your mind and warming down. Personally I find it can really help a hurting back the morning after training.
03-25-2007, 21:51 #26
I could certainly see the value of qigong and/or tai chi as a cool down and relaxation. On a slightly different note, tai chi is currently being researched in multiple studies here at LSU as an intervention exercise for persons with peripheral neuropathy. So far, they are getting fantastic results. I don't know that they are any different or as even as good as they might get through participation in more traditional fors of exercise, but in my opinion, if it works and they like doing it, go for it!
On another train of thought since this is supposed to be one my forums to moderate. I have no problem with the concept of chi as it relates to harnessing one's own abilities. I think the idea of chi/ki has become distorted over the years to the point where some people think that ancient practitioners had some sort of mistic ability due to their chi.
I think they were simply the elite athletes and premier warriors of their time and, since much of what we know today about how the body works was unknown at that time, they gave credit for their abilities to chi rather than genetics, practice, etc. Nowadays we look at Tiger Woods and say, wow that guy is a great athlete. Back then they probably said, 'wow that guy has strong chi...'.For now, more than ever before, being sincere and dedicated is not enough. We must also be right. - Walter Kroll. 1971
03-26-2007, 07:54 #27
Qigong and Tai Chi are very interesting in that you dont have to believe in Chi to get the benefit.
With the guidance of a master or teacher I believe you can get more or 'faster acting' results. The reason is that if you are given the knowledge of the individual movements and their associated breathing pattern and what they are specifically used for, you can visualize their application internally (much like visualizing an apponent in shadow boxing or a Kata). The benefit to this is obvious.
Jason, I encourage you to research the application of Tai Chi and Qigong in the medical field. It has been studyed and used for a long time in western medicine. long = >50 years. Its a far cry from 1500 documented years as in china, but for us westerners 50 years is a long time.
03-26-2007, 22:47 #28
Originally Posted by jwinch2"I will repeat again that a martial master is one who has superior spirit!"
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03-27-2007, 00:17 #29
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But anyways, why do you believe chi doesn't exist?
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