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01-03-2007, 00:23 #1Member
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Combo training
I am an Impact Weapons instructor and a new Assistant Range Master for my about 100 sworn rural Sheriff's Office. My Rangemaster just asked me to start thinkning about a training session to include both disciplines.
We typically do a two hour baton session bi-annually and a three hour range session quarterly. I would like to present a three to four hour training session combining the two disciplines for about 15-20 students and three or four instructors (probably me, two other rangemasters and an additional baton instructor).
We are lucky enough to have almost unlimited access to a great outdoor range with a nearby classroom that we share with another agency. What we do not have is any baton training equipment other than three or four hand-held striking bags and an old carpet covered push dummy (it loosely resembles a man with handles on the back and a wheel on the bottom).
Any ideas? I thought some of you guys may have attended or put on a simular course. I would really apreciate an outline if any of you have access to one, but suggestions would be greatly appreciated as well.
I am looking for transition type training rather than the "induce stress, (ie: physical exertion) through use of baton striking then shoot targets". I would really like to wow the brass as there are two maybe three Sergeant positions openng in the next couple of months and I am in the first band of applicants.Tic Tac
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01-03-2007, 08:15 #2Super Moderator
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I went to an instructor school in 1992 that talked about combining PT, DT, and firearms under the same umbrella. That was the main reason I became a firearms instructor after that. Sadly it hasn't caught on around here yet.
You could start with some red guns, going from verbal to striking with the baton (or even having OC spray or taser in their hand) and then dropping it to draw. Throw in some drills that include an off-line step or shove to disengage. Have the bad guy start out resisting, and then when they are engaged have the bad guy pull a knife so they can transition to their firearm.
Throw in some weapon retention, both holstered and unholstered.
On the range you can make them bring their batons, OC spray, etc. out with them and start the shooting drills with them in their hands. Start some drills with them laying on the ground like they got knocked down. You could probably come up with an endless amount of drills.
Good luck with it!Jiu-Jitsu - like chess, except you get to choke people.
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01-03-2007, 18:15 #3
Tim-
If you can, look into Confrontational Simulation training. It's not just for adrenal response training- all of the skills that are necessary- grappling with a firearm, transitioning weapons under close assault, drawing at close range, fighting free to get access to a force option or cover, all the stuff that Cliff mentioned can be trained safely and, with good observers you can start refining technique and get a better handle on what works and what doesn't.
Rory"One finds many companions for food and drink, but in a serious business a man's companions are very few." -Theognis
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01-10-2007, 18:39 #4Member
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Thanks guys - I'm working on it. I think I'm going to start off easy and work my way up.
Tic Tac
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